Best strains NOT derived from clone only's?

[Space Toker]

I saw some people in another thread saying, if I was interpeting correctly, that anything other than clone only's are "trash". I think it was said that it is like "cumming in a dumpster, all you'll get is sticky trash". I doubt that! I think plenty of seed strains, even "old fashioned ones", still have their place and some of them can hold their own with the "attack of the clones". Who's right? Regardless, what are your favorite strains not derived from clones and why?

ps/edit: please note I am not a hater of clone's, just think both have their place and that genetic diversity must be promoted and preserved.

 

[aridbud]

I saw some people in another thread saying, if I was interpeting correctly, that anything other than clone only's are "trash". I think it was said that it is like "cumming in a dumpster, all you'll get is sticky trash". I doubt that! I think plenty of seed strains, even "old fashioned ones", still have their place and some of them can hold their own with the "attack of the clones". Who's right? Regardless, what are your favorite strains not derived from clones and why?

ps/edit: please note I am not a hater of clone's, just think both have their place and that genetic diversity must be promoted and preserved.

Definitely seeds, great strains are widely accepted and revered!!

Those that say "clone only" are lazy, not wanting to put time effort into growing from seed to harvest.

Just do your research and seeds will reward you!!

 

[yortbogey]

those that "clone only"....are NOT really growing...let alone learning.... to run clone only...
is for fools.... it's the same as only EVER seeing/tasting/smoking... someone else's work...
very much like only eating other people food ...never your own .... true SHAME
let alone... a much much more limited relationship/understanding of cannabis...let alone REAL growing.....

that being said have meet face to face grown men @ HT cups working and growing for dispensaries in WA.... that have NEVER, ever, grown from seed....
hell most kids up here have never even seed seeds....

as is.... tissue culture will change all this in the next 10 yrs...and seeds may very well become even less, and less of a expression of true canna....

so if U ask me...... hoard ever bean U can.... one day they might be well worth the effort....

and don't even get me started on the impact of "tainted" clones that can f00k up an entire run / room / .... everything...let alone the wasted time, and $$$$$$....

why on earth considering all that would ANYone ever ....."clone only".... foolish~indeed

 

[Space Toker]

Exactly, I would hate to see great strains both from the distant past and more recent ones disappear in pure form because they have "fallen off the map" or are not "the flavor of the month". Some already have, but we must not let it happen anymore! Breeder Steve or Bros Grimm stuff comes to mind.

I did not mean this to be a thread for or against clone only's though (that's ok too I guess), but one where people list their favorite strains that are NOT clone-only derived. No one has ever complained about Chimera or CSG strains I have grown. We all can't get enough!

 

[MelloYello]

I used to start seeds in April and then clones 1st/2nd week of May. It would spread out the work load. Seeds needed no supplemental light helped.

DNA Lemon Skunk and Chimeras Mental Floss were both great. However there was a pheno of each that I wished was consistent in the whole crop .

 

[Space Toker]

I know little about the history of various clone only's, but if I were to guess, I would think most of them started out as either bag seed or a pollen chuck... and someone by luck or accident found something they liked... and either because they didn't know how or were too lazy or space limited, decided to save a clone rather than breed. How many times have I heard people tell newbies to "use bag seed"? I would instead advise an inexpensive hybrid. Think about it, how did bag seeds originate? No one I know of who sells or buys weed wants seeds, so they 99% of the time are unintentionally prodcued from hermies, and hermies beget more hermies or so I heard!

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

That was my post you were referring to, LMAO!!! I was talking about reversing some of the clone only's I have onto strains I have from seed from modern seed companies. Like Pineapple Express, Critical Mass, White Widow(have run many versions of WW).

Thing is a lot of guys on this site in legal/medical states take clone only's ,nurseries, clone shops, etc. for granted. When access to stuff like that is all you know, it's hard to know what it's like for the rest of us.

Breeding from seed packs is the only option for a lot of guys. That's why I hand my seeds out to as many people as I know. All those elite's came from a seed pack at one point in time. Even if not a pack, a seed was planted once, or else there would be no clone.

When you have access to all different kinds of clone only's and x's made from them, it's easy to say it's like cumming in a dumpster. Because why would you wanna waste time working with seeds like that, when you have all these elite's at your fingertips.

There rant over. That reply rubbed me the wrong way the other day. But I chose not to start shit, because it's just easier that way. Someone's always got a bigger dick than you anyway.

 

[amanda88]

Some excellent replies here....do your buddies know how important 'Vitality' is to a plant,....as clones don't have it? .....in my neighborhood, clones are seen as someones else's work

 

[symbiote420]

The best plants I've grown w/o any clone only genes? That's a real toughy there, especially if the stock you've been gathering or looking into was/is made after the late 80's. Bros Grimm's Princess/Apollo/C99 genepool started from a bagseed of Jack Herer that was backcrossed several times so can't included their work.... 99.9% of the breeders today are truthfully just clone mashers. OGs, Chems, and Cookies getting the heaviest rotation atm, all were started from bagseeds and could easily hermie when stressed but that's not stopping anyone from chuggin' em out.... wow you really got me thinking now because every thing I can think of that's pretty good I keep tracing it back to a clone only somewhere in the lineage.

 

[symbiote420]

The only advantage clones have over beans is uniformity. I stopped taking in cuts over a year ago after I realized no one has clean cuts! Some of the stuff can slip by you during quarro so after battling mites, root aphids, PM, etc, etc I said fuck it it's time to dig into this large collection of beans and find a new harem of ladies.... been pest free ever since. (knock on wood!)

 

[stoney917]

All elite clone onlys were just someones seed plants at some point, ,... i hate ppl with the better then all personality preachin bout shit they no nuthin bout..... both cuts n seeds r both important. .. Whats the point of poppin seeds??? Lookin for plants worthy of keepin n clonin... u learn alot growin from seed n todays new growers skip right over that part cuz u can walk into a spot n pick up cuts n skip over a month of education then they have issues n questions that they would of easily knew the answer to if they grew out one bean.... imo every grower should start out with beans... shit back in they day we couldn't go into a shop n buy cuts so we were forced to learn from seed... get ur skillz up n then access clones through tight circles... clones n seeds r both necessities n have purpose

IT ALL STARTS FROM SEED!!!!

 

[Easy7]

I remember when clones where for a consistant crop. Bought a pack of seeds, pop a few, find the best and run clones for awhile. I love seeds, fems are good too! Not any clone only's around here. I know people still buying brick weed, for $50 an eight; lmao!

 

[sourpuss]

Clones come with disease and start to lack vigour... Especially the stuff I've seen around my area. Finding that keeper is the fun. Creating your own personal strains from your best keepers. Best hobby a person could have.

 

[symbiote420]

Amen to that brother!

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

where i am certainly no access to clones. imo just plain spoilt to be able to grab clones that someone has found the keeper most the hard works done for you.
thing with that is though you can hardly take credit for it can you. you,ve just grown someone else's work.
so in my eye,s true hard core growers will pop beans to find there own thing do there own crosses and more commercial guys doing clones for quick turnover .
just how i see it though. personally i,ve popped so many bloody seeds i,d love to walk into a shop/nursery do it easy. lol

shoe on the other foot though, deep down i love seeing what something i,ve crossed turns out like. even if it is pollen chucking. starting with good seeds from great breeders will unlock some kool stuff

 

[Space Toker]

That was my post you were referring to, LMAO!!!

That's right, it was! Thanks for reminding me! Not the dumpster part right? no, that's what you took offense to I take it. Anyway, right on to that and the rest of the post! I grow seeds and clones of seed strains.

The best plants I've grown w/o any clone only genes? That's a real toughy there, especially if the stock you've been gathering or looking into was/is made after the late 80's.

True, and NL seems to have gone from seed to NW Clone Only to seed. GG4 seems to have been bred by someone here and now clone only. Presumably originally in seed form too. What I meant was those 4 or 6 clone only's that seem to dominate all crosses today.

...99.9% of the breeders today are truthfully just clone mashers. OGs, Chems, and Cookies getting the heaviest rotation atm...

That was part of the point I was just trying to make, thanks for helping me out! yes going way back to pre 60's to maybe mid 80's, a lot of seed came in and got saved from imported weed. Most of that was intentionally allowed to seed and therefore less hermies (wanted to say trannies but that would not be accurate) than accidentally produced bag seed. But in what, the last 5 to 10 years(?) we have gone from regular seed breeding to fem seed and a handful of clone onlys dominating the seed scene it seems. I like some clone only hybrids but all I am saying is don't shut out the rest of the gene pool either.

 

[kin_dawg]

If I were in a place I could get clones you better believe I would. Both are a wonderful thing after all we are looking for good cannabis.

 

[sourpuss]

These clones r good starting points for potency and flav if your making seed. But always make sure that clone really lives up to its rep before wasting time....

 

[Space Toker]

pitymick, yeah I can't tell you how many times I have dreamed at night, literally, of going into some shop with cannabis plants for sale and just being able to pick up one of this and one of that and have crazy variety instantly without the fuss. But also, it is great to get something really fine out of a pack of seeds and I seem to do just that pretty often, usually at least 1 keeper or near keeper per 10 pack. When I referred to liking a CSG variety, it was a hybrid with a clone only, Chemy Jones I believe. So both have their merit, but no stain once valued should vanish into oblivion either.

 

[Space Toker]

I think I started this thread in least in pat to see if the old classics like NL, SK#1, Original haze and such are still relevant for more than breeding and in demand, as well as the later hybrids of the 80's to say pre-2005 or pick your number, whenever the the attack of the clone and clone hybrids started. Eagerly awaiting clone hybrid strains dropping tomorrow but want to know what else is still doing it for everyone. I hope this thread is not dead yet, seems others start threads about a lot more sillier things and get better results. thanks