Best Brand Of Coco Coir Today

[ThePizzaMan]

Just picked up some Roots Organic Coco Coir...it has a bunch of other stuff in it....so I will report back after my babies are transplanted.

TpM

 

[oneshot]

Just picked up some Roots Organic Coco Coir...it has a bunch of other stuff in it....so I will report back after my babies are transplanted.

TpM

Did you get their Coco or their Coco Hydropnic Media? That stuff is total shit. It has all sorts of extra crap in it.

 

[Loids]

I'd like to see real data. Test all these brands of coco, take a beer cup, poke holes in the bottom, fill with coco from the bag, and pour either RO or tested water and test the runoff.

"i use this or that out of the bag" doesn't help much, too many variables, coco is pretty much coco except for coarseness and salt levels.

I tested many brands, recently Atami/B'cuzz tested around 2000 ppm's (poison) and the best coco's I tested were House and Garden (150 ppm above the test water ppm's and Canna always tests the best (50-100), ALWAYS.

Everyone who tests their coco should use a filter. A coffee filter will work. People really need to start using EC as a golden standard.. seriously spread the word.. PPM's are ambiguous if you don't mention what conversion rate your using.
Measure how much water you pour through your dry sample. Also weigh the dry coco sample and time how long you soak it for, before you filter it. Record all of this and it will help to increase accuracy. There is no point in taking EC readings if you aren't using consistent method of testing... if everyone would do this people could repeat and compare. There's still going to be error in testing but this will help you get more consistent results. Just something to think about.

 

[papaduc]

I'd like to see real data. Test all these brands of coco, take a beer cup, poke holes in the bottom, fill with coco from the bag, and pour either RO or tested water and test the runoff.

"i use this or that out of the bag" doesn't help much, too many variables, coco is pretty much coco except for coarseness and salt levels.

I tested many brands, recently Atami/B'cuzz tested around 2000 ppm's (poison) and the best coco's I tested were House and Garden (150 ppm above the test water ppm's and Canna always tests the best (50-100), ALWAYS.

Poison?? They pre-fertilise the coco, which is why the higher ppms. I've used b'cuzz and canna over the years and the b'cuzz is exactly the same in performance as the canna. The main difference is that b'cuzz is a lot cheaper.

But, If you can get good blocks then that's your best bet in terms of stealth and transport etc.

 

[JAY LENWEED]

I love my B'cuzz mix, good stuff !!!

 

[Zumie]

I use the Botanicare bagged stuff and it seems pretty solid straight out of the bag IMO, great texture/consistency unlike some of the brick stuff, and the price is reasonable at like 17 per bag. This is compared to the B'cuzz brand I picked up today because they were out and the shit was $5 more expensive per bag, and while the consistency was similar, it came pretty moist already which A. made it a pain in my ass carrying a dozen bags, and B. got me worried that there could be something lurking in there with that warm moist environment.

Just my 2 pennies

 

[MegaHermie]

Canna or house and garden. Everything else ive tested tests high on ppms right out of the bag.

 

[Dorky]

Nutrifield coco kicks ass. there bricks are even RHP certified. Same quality as canna but cheaper.

 

[LEDNewbie]

SO I've read guys like Jack post that he had some quality control issues with canna coco like fungus gnats and stuff.....

I don't really care about price, I'm just looking for the "cleanest" best coco out there? Does anyone know how the Gold Label Coco stacks up against canna coco? I'd like to get a coco I don't have to pre rinse for salt and most importantly I'd like to get coco WITHOUT fungus gnats in them!!!

If getting coco without fungus gnats is unavoidable does anyone know of a good method of "sterilizing" the coco before use?

Thanks guys, I'm seriously considering coco for my next round and looking to get all my facts straight

 

[izzywozzywizzy]

Hi,been on coco since 2000,tried cheap bricks from store burnt my hands and plants.there use to be only a couple of suppliers but cause of demand worldwide the producers have become complecant ,I use to use bio-nova bricks cause of stealth but had to flush the shit out of it.I used.canna coco 5 years ago and you could use it right away but wouldnt trust it now .I've killed lots of exspensive seeds,cuts with coco .its heavy and flushing it fucks my back up so i thought fuck them I'm trying mapito but that shit isn't right either meant to be real mapito with ph foam but its made up with husk I've done two crops and its crap ,trying to source real mapito,someone wont let us use real mapito as we can reuse it forever my coco/.mapito mix is mush after two grows ,it all comes into rotterdam so i blame dutch greedy suppliers .fuck them I'm goung back to soil 3 pound a bag.peace

 

[FlowerFarmer]

SO I've read guys like Jack post that he had some quality control issues with canna coco like fungus gnats and stuff.....

I don't really care about price, I'm just looking for the "cleanest" best coco out there? Does anyone know how the Gold Label Coco stacks up against canna coco? I'd like to get a coco I don't have to pre rinse for salt and most importantly I'd like to get coco WITHOUT fungus gnats in them!!!

If getting coco without fungus gnats is unavoidable does anyone know of a good method of "sterilizing" the coco before use?

Thanks guys, I'm seriously considering coco for my next round and looking to get all my facts straight

I use Atami Bcuzz (purple bag) and never have issues with Gnats. I know people who do.. and they claim they get them "from the coco", but I disagree. If they come from the coco, then why do I have none even though we are all using the same coco, from the same shop...even buying it at the same time/day, off the same skid.

If the shop is storing their coco properly.. in a cool dry area away from their display gardens and what not it should not have gnats.

People get gnats in coco either because the shop has created a breeding ground with their display gardens nearby.. or simply because gnats exist in one's grow environment and gnats just happen to love warm moist environment.. such as the one coco provides. These are not Sri Lanka fungus gnats on vacation.


Try SM-90 along with your nutes to prevent soil born insects from gaining ground. If ya get them.. drench with Gnatrol until you see no signs of them... then continue with it a little longer.


Also.. The Atami I use gets clones tossed into it ..yea "right out of the bag"..and also immediately get drenched with full strength maxibloom. 1.6EC or so.. under HID light, no problems..the clones blow up with a vengeance.

I'm not concerned with the high EC content of Bcuzz coco. I guess my plants seem to love that "poison" puff is rantin' about.

 

[advanced396]

SO I've read guys like Jack post that he had some quality control issues with canna coco like fungus gnats and stuff.....

I don't really care about price, I'm just looking for the "cleanest" best coco out there? Does anyone know how the Gold Label Coco stacks up against canna coco? I'd like to get a coco I don't have to pre rinse for salt and most importantly I'd like to get coco WITHOUT fungus gnats in them!!!

If getting coco without fungus gnats is unavoidable does anyone know of a good method of "sterilizing" the coco before use?

Thanks guys, I'm seriously considering coco for my next round and looking to get all my facts straight

Nutrifield coco is RHP 0.1 EC straight out the bag, no gnats

 

[slowandeasy]

I use Atami Bcuzz (purple bag) and never have issues with Gnats. I know people who do.. and they claim they get them "from the coco", but I disagree. If they come from the coco, then why do I have none even though we are all using the same coco, from the same shop...even buying it at the same time/day, off the same skid.

If the shop is storing their coco properly.. in a cool dry area away from their display gardens and what not it should not have gnats.

People get gnats in coco either because the shop has created a breeding ground with their display gardens nearby.. or simply because gnats exist in one's grow environment and gnats just happen to love warm moist environment.. such as the one coco provides. These are not Sri Lanka fungus gnats on vacation.


Try SM-90 along with your nutes to prevent soil born insects from gaining ground. If ya get them.. drench with Gnatrol until you see no signs of them... then continue with it a little longer.


Also.. The Atami I use gets clones tossed into it ..yea "right out of the bag"..and also immediately get drenched with full strength maxibloom. 1.6EC or so.. under HID light, no problems..the clones blow up with a vengeance.

I'm not concerned with the high EC content of Bcuzz coco. I guess my plants seem to love that "poison" puff is rantin' about.

No offense....but I disagree with you in a couple of ways. Bugs can ome in Coco,, even bricks.. Botonicare bricks gave my friend some sort of mites. He hydrated some in a new bucket and a few days later mites galore in a sealed bucket.

Also,, Bcuzz has nutes in it and I personally started a thread a couple years ago with the lab results. I like starting clean, so I prefer Canna. BCuzz is very good, but be cautious with small plants. Roots love it, nice and fuzzy...but it burnt me once. And it is like $30 bag here. I will stick with Canna for $20

 

[supernuck]

How is Canna looking these days? I have access to Canna and Botanicaire and was wondering which one has been more reliable lately, thanks!

 

[PeopleWish]

Flush your coco with a ph water of 4.0 and h202 to remove excess K ions and sterilize media.

You then have replaced the K ions with H+ ions. Then rebalance with neutral to slightly alkaline ro water.

You have now killed two birds with one stone.

Make sure your containers have reached a maximum saturation before transplanting.

GL fungus gnats are a bitch if you have them. How ever, if you prune property they lay low and do not stick themselves to buds. These bugs are more of an aesthetic disturbance than anything else.

Ps. Cana has the lowest EC out the bag, lower than any other brand with a steady ppm of ~100, H&G is 2nd.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

No offense....but I disagree with you in a couple of ways. Bugs can ome in Coco,, even bricks.. Botonicare bricks gave my friend some sort of mites. He hydrated some in a new bucket and a few days later mites galore in a sealed bucket.

Also,, Bcuzz has nutes in it and I personally started a thread a couple years ago with the lab results. I like starting clean, so I prefer Canna. BCuzz is very good, but be cautious with small plants. Roots love it, nice and fuzzy...but it burnt me once. And it is like $30 bag here. I will stick with Canna for $20

No offense taken. I was more speaking on Gnats and the experiences I've witnessed with local friends claiming they get gnats from the coco we all purchase.


Not saying its not possible to bring in bugs via coco, but its my belief that in the majority of cases it's not the media to blame, but rather a shop's storage conditions (near display gardens) or a grower's own source of existing gnats which blow up upon new media being introduced that is freshly potted and wet down.


Mites I can see, but certainly cant see gnats or their larvae making it all the way across the country in bone-dry fumigated blocks. Who knows...
All I'm saying is gnats are the hydro shop/growers fault 9 times out of 10 as opposed to the brand of coir one chooses.


Me personally..
Never had a clone that couldn't take Atami's high EC + nutes at inception. Although I have no experience with Canna or low EC coco to compare to. I fortunately only pay $20/bag for it. Their MSRP of $37 if crazy if you ask me.


Anyone have any experience with CocoNOT by Vermicrop Organics?
Guess its redwoods and Kapok fruit ground up into a fibrous blend.

 

[jackmayoffer]

Canna Coco and Hydroton are a killer combo 70% coco 30% Hydroton for the win add more Hydroton if you can water more often...

 

[IeatCubes]

Canna Premium, hands down.

Good luck finding it in the USA.

 

[PeopleWish]

Canna Premium, hands down.

Good luck finding it in the USA.

What properties make this a better coir?

 

[supernuck]

How does regular botanicaire compare to canna in terms of how coarse it is? I grew with canna for a few years and had great results but I dont want to use too much perlite this time around, would prefer to mix in some coarser stuff to break it up a little.