Bat Guano Now or later? Please comment..

[Guest]

High folks
I have a question. Some of the plants we have. Are in black gold all organic soil.. With nothing added, Now if i to add some of the guano how do i go about doing this? Mix it into water? Please help.. Also is is the same for blood meal or any other extra? i need help on this one.. peace..

sack :friends:

 

[Guest]

Hey sack. I think you need to make a tea from that guano and feed it to them. I don't have a recipe for one but I'm sure someone here does.

 

[Guest]

hey sackoweed. I always add the bat guano to the soil mix, but you can make a compost tea by adding 1 cup of guano to 5 gallons of water. Let it sit 24 to 48 hours before adding.

some of this may help...

Manures
source N P K comments
Rabbit manure 2.4 1.4 0.6 Most concentrated of animal manures in fresh form.

Cow manure (dairy) 0.6 0.2 0.5 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot composted.

Steer manure 0.7 0.3 0.4 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot composted if fresh.
Chicken manure 1.1 0.8 0.5 Fast acting, breaks down quickest of all manures. Use carefully, may burn. Also, stinks like hell - composting definitely recommended.
Horse manure 0.7 0.3 0.6 Medium breakdown time.

Duck manure
0.6
1.4
0.5
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Sheep manure
0.7
0.3
0.9
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Worm castings 0.5 0.5 0.3 50% organic material plus 11 trace minerals. Great for seedlings, will not burn. Is a form of compost, so doesn't need composting.

Desert Bat Guano 8 4 1 Also contains trace elements. Fast-acting, mix in soil or as tea (1 C guano to 5 gal. water).

Cave Bat Guano 3 10 1 .

Fossilized Seabird Guano 1 10 1 Slow release over 3 to 12 weeks, best used as an addition to potting mix.

Peruvian Seabird Guano (pelletized) 12 12 2.5 Legendary fertilizer of the Incas. Use in soil as a long lasting fertilizer, or make into tea (1 tsp pellets to 1 gallon water).


Note: It is recommended to first compost any fresh manure before you use it for 2 reasons:
1) to lessen the chance of harmful pathogens.
2) to break down the manure to make it more usable to the plant (and reduce the smell!)
The rates for pig or human manure are not listed because of the high rate of harmful pathogens they contain.


Organic meals
source N P K comments
Blood Meal 11 0 0 Highest N of all organic sources, very fast acting if made into tea.
Bone Meal (steamed) 1 11 0
Releases nutrients slowly.
Caution: European farmers should not use because of the risk of spreading Mad Cow Disease; growers elsewhere may face the same issue.
Cottonseed Meal 6 2.5 1.5
If farming organically, check the source. May be heavily treated with pesticides.
Fish Scrap 5 3 3
Use in compost or work in soil several months before using. Usually slightly alkaline.
Fish Emulsion 4 1 1 Also adds 5% sulfur. Good N source for seedlings, won't burn.
Kelp Meal 1 0.5 2.5 Provides 60 trace elements, plus growth-promoting hormones and enzymes.
Soybean Meal 7 0.5 2.3 .

Coffee Grounds 2 0.3 0.2 Highly acidic, best for use in alkaline soils.


Minerals
source N P K comments
Green sand 0 1.5 7 Mined from old ocean deposits; used as soil conditioner; it holds water and is high in iron, magnesium, and silica - 32 trace minerals in all.
Eggshells 1.2 0.4 0.1
Contains calcium plus trace minerals. Dry first, then grind to powder.

Limestone (dolomitic) 0 0 0 Raises pH, 51% calcium and 40% magnesium.

Limestone (calcitic) 0 0 0 Raises pH, 65-80% calcium, 3-15% magnesium.

Crustacean Shells 4.6 3.52 0 Contain large amounts of lime. Should be ground as finely as possible for best results.
Wood Ashes 0 1.5 7
Very fast acting and highly alkaline (usually used to raise pH). Contains many micro nutrients.
Crushed Granite 0 0 5
Contains 67% silica and 19 trace minerals. Slow release over a long period of time.
Rock Phosphate 0 3 0 Contains 11 trace minerals. Slow release over a long period of time.

Epsom Salts 0 0 0 Provides Mg and acts as a balancer.


Soil amendments and organic material
source N P K comments
Cornstalks 0.75 0.4 0.9 Break down slowly; excellent soil conditioner. Should be shredded.

Oak Leaves 0.8 0.35 0.15 Break down slowly, shred for best results. Good soil conditioner.

Feathers 15 0 0 Chop or shred finely for best results.
Hair 14 0 0
Good soil conditioner, oils break down slowly. Chop or shred finely for best results.

Sources include: Rodale Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening, The Deluxe Marijuana Growers Guide (Frank and Rosenthal)
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Organic Fertilizers - Composition


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Organic soil composition involves creating a soil medium that has a balanced amount of nutrients - NPK as well as trace elements and minerals - plus organic material that provides food for not only the plant, but also the countless soil microorganisms, fungi, worms, and bacteria that comprise a healthy soil. This soil life breaks down the raw materials of the fertilizers you add so the plants can absorb them, and also plays a part in as-yet undefined processes that aid plant growth and improve soil health.
Below are various "recipes" for both organic fertilizers and organic soil mixes.

Mix and match formulas
Pick one source from each category. The results will vary in composition from 1-2-1 to 4-6-3, but any mixture will provide a balanced supply of nutrients that will be steadily available to plants and encourage soil microorganisms.
Nitrogen
2 parts blood meal
3 parts fish meal Phosphorous
3 parts bone meal
6 parts rock phosphate or colloidal phosphate Potassium
1 part kelp meal
6 parts green sand
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source: Rodale Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening


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More Organic Fertilizer Mixes



2 - 3.5 - 2.5
1 part bone meal
3 parts alfalfa hay
2 parts green sand

2 - 4 - 2
4 parts coffee grounds
1 part bone meal
1 part wood ashes


2 - 4 - 2
1 part leather dust
1 part bone meal
3 parts granite dust

2 - 8 - 2
3 parts green sand
2 parts seaweed
1 part dried blood
2 parts phosphate rock
2 - 13 - 2.5
1 part cottonseed meal
2 parts phosphate rock
2 parts seaweed

3.5 - 5.5 - 3.5
2 parts cottonseed meal
1 part colloidal phosphate
2 parts granite dust


2.5 - 6 - 5
1 part dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
4 parts wood ashes

0 - 5 - 4
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts green sand
2 parts wood ashes


3 - 6 - 3
1 part leather dust
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts seaweed

3 - 7 - 5
1 part dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts wood ashes


3 - 8 - 5
1 part leather dust
1 part phosphate rock
1 part fish scrap
4 parts wood ashes

2.5 - 2.5 - 4
3 parts granite dust
1 part dried blood
1 part bone meal
5 parts seaweed


4 - 5 - 4
2 parts dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
4 parts wood ashes

6 - 8 - 3
2 parts fish scrap
2 parts dried blood
1 part cottonseed meal
1 part wood ashes
1 part phosphate rock
1 part granite dust




Herbal Tea Plant Food
1 t Comfrey leaves
1 t Alfalfa leaves
1 t Nettle leaves
1 Qt boiling water
Steep for 10 min. and let cool until luke warm. Drain the leaves out and add the luke warm tea to your plants to keep them healthy and vibrant!
The reason for adding slightly warm tea (or water) to your plants is that they will be able to absorb the needed nutrients more easily by keeping the root pores open verses cold tea (or water) will have a tendency to restrict the pores, meaning a much slower process of absorption.
Comfrey is called knit bone or healing herb. It is high in calcium, potassium and phosphorus, and also rich in vitamins A and C. The nutrients present in comfrey actually assist in the healing process since it contains allantoin.
Alfalfa is one of the most powerful nitrogen - fixers of all the legumes. It is strong in iron and is a good source of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and trace minerals.
Nettles are helpful to stimulate fermentation in compost or manure piles and this helps to break down other organic materials in your planting soil. The plant is said to contain carbonic acid and ammonia which may be the fermentation factor. Nettles are rich in iron and have as much protein as cottonseed meal.
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courtesy of Organic Plant Care of New Hampshire

 

[issack]

i use 1 tbl spoon of quano per gallon. and like stankbud said let sit for 24 hours. also use neem seed cake. very potent stuff!!! one 20 pound bag can fertilize 3 acers..so it last a long time...i am also using black gold and i fuckin love the stuff. half black gold and half black cinder. i stay all organic. i stay away from bone or blood meal...i mean i dont want to smoke a bunch of slaughterd cows blood or bones. no tellin what kind of shit is in it..just my opinion though. i have got great results in the past but i'm more organic now...best of luck bro...

 

[Guest]

i stay away from bone or blood meal...i mean i dont want to smoke a bunch of slaughterd cows blood or bones. no tellin what kind of shit is in it..

but your more than happy to smoke bat shit????

 

[issack]

yes i am.....and like i said before IT IS MY OPINION. so if you want a debate we can go there..bat guano is organic unlike sterioded out cows blood.

 

[Guest]

No No No...i was taken wrong , i meant no harm. wow!

 

[Guest]

Spankin Elvis: thanx for i think thats what im going to do.

Stankbud: great info thanx i printed it out to go over while watching the playoffs..

Issack: Im using black gold as well i like it too. my plants look great dark green.. healthy i am also using fox farms ocean forest on 2 plants to see what the difference is. I like FF OF a lil better. And it did not burn my seedlings either like a lot of people say it does. I actually sprouted some a coupla seeds dry straight into the moist soil.. And waa laa they sprouted nice & healthy.. Anway i bought some mexican Guano from
Sunleaves.. Its for veg only its a 10-2-1 I figure ill just mix it into some H2o.. Now what else can i mix into the guano or should i just mix it by itsself? thanx for the help guys.. Actually the apollo x haze thats in the same pot with the NL from KC, Those are in FF OF. check my gallery ill check back later
peace..

sack :friends:

 

[issack]

no prob Journeyman. sorry if i was alittle abrupt...Sackoweed. like i said before i use neem seed cake in my quano tea. spendy stuff but the nitogen it puts out is amazing!!. it will last you months!! 1 tea spoon per gallon and you will be imperssed with your results. ...

 

[BriarPatch]

Snort....

Snort....

Crazy bat shit smokin kids. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ever eat Jello? It's about the same thing as blood meal.

 

[Guest]

Ok question what exactly does the blood meal & bone meals do for the plants, that nutes/ferts dont do for them? Yes still noobie questions from me.. peace.

sack :friends:

 

[PHDTHC]

Bone meal and Blood meal are time released nutes. I add them to plain soil in minute amounts so that nute feedings arent the only source of food in the natural soil outdoors. And any type of guano does the same thing.
Here, some have suggested useing a pre-formulated tea, nothing wrong with that, but, if guano is added to the soil, water will pass over the guano and perform the same function as the tea, only over a time period. Doing it natures way keeps your plant visits down, and the risk of being seen around them is reduced.
Just remember to use it sparingly, and on top of the ground so as to allow water to pass through it on its way to the roots. I have raised alot of quality herb like this, using nothing else but water for veg, and then various blooming nutes for flowering.

 

[Guest]

PHD
Thanx for your input it is much appreciated.. I will try that can i kinda scratch it in to the soil? Not to deep of course.. !more thing How often shall this be done? peace..

sack :friends:

 

[PHDTHC]

If you buy guano in a block, break it up and mix it sparingly into the top soil around your plant, scratching it in works. And twice should feed the plant the entire grow,Though I have grown giants with only one application.
Really, the most important thing about outdoor growing is the hole you dig prior to planting. Hard soil prevents root development, so I always dig down about 2 to 3 feet to loosen the soil up and add Bone meal, blood meal and perlite to the soil as I fill the hole back in. This way, the water passes through your guano to your roots much easier and the tea adds so much organic matter deep into the hole, that the plant has plenty to eat everyday and constant feedings arent needed, but the occasional water/nute feeding does nothing but add to the final result. I hope this helps.
PHD

 

[Guest]

PHDTHC
Thanx for your info as well.. Sounds logical to me..
I was just asking about bone & blood meal too. Nice you stopped by..Thanx..
peace...

sack :friends:

 

[PHDTHC]

Oh, be careful about adding any Blood meal or Bone meal into soil with a plant in it. It is very strong and could burn the plant up. I only use the Meals when mixing soils out of natural soil. Guano is strong too, so, use it very sparingly on older plants. Young plants dont need any of this, Just use some store bought soil and water.
And you are very welcome. I am always glad to help outdoor growers. I'll be interested in how your nerves hold up when the flowering process swings into full gear. My first outdoor grow, when the flowers came, I was restless to say the least. There really is no natural plant that can be used for subterfuge for MJ. So, the plant might as well have a huge sign saying CANNABIS HERE! LOL! So, I have a huge amount of respect for anyone who braves it. Good Luck on the grow. Im paying attention to that thread.
PHD

 

[Guest]

Soma is a big fan of Guano; using it - is one of his 3 best tips for sweet buds; say's he can taste when it has been grown without it

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[Barn Owl]

i use 1 tbl spoon of quano per gallon. and like stankbud said let sit for 24 hours. also use neem seed cake. very potent stuff!!! one 20 pound bag can fertilize 3 acers..so it last a long time...i am also using black gold and i fuckin love the stuff. half black gold and half black cinder. i stay all organic. i stay away from bone or blood meal...i mean i dont want to smoke a bunch of slaughterd cows blood or bones. no tellin what kind of shit is in it..just my opinion though. i have got great results in the past but i'm more organic now...best of luck bro...

I do love the guanos also. We use blood and bone meal on our "legal" garden. I am wondering how much of those steriods make it to the final product. Does anybody know. I still think they are far better than chemical ferts. Thanks. :smile:

 

[issack]

BARN OWL. dont know how much steriods get to the slaughter house by-product blood meal. I't is just where i am at on my soil right now to choose not to use it. i do know that when i was growing successfuly outdoors it was good.bonemeal promotes flowering and should be used only when its time to bud...i have goten better results from using guano and neem seed.neem seed smells so damn bad that you just know it will work...lol.1 tbl spoon per gallon. along with 1 tbl spoon guano.

 

[Organic Vapor]

guano is going to be avail to the plants much sooner.. when using blood/bone meal it is best to mix it into the soil and wet it for a few weeks or so ahead of time (otherwise the N doesnt really kick in till around flowering).. with guano you can mix it in and get to potting..