baseball fans....

[FallenBuddha]

so tonight barroids bonds has broken hammerin Hank Aaarons homerun record. **** this steroid taking piece of shit. if you think this cheating bastard belongs in tha hall of fame, so does Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson !!!! besides there is a young man who plays third base in new york named rodriguez who by the time he retires will break this steroid tanted record, cleanly i might add. cheating shouldnt count!!! some of you may know i am a cubs fan, and i will say i believe that sammy sosa and mark mcguire have cheated as well. **** all the cheaters, but the sad fact of the matter is that steroids saved the game of baseball. maybe it should have died!!!

peace -fb

 

[Berry_Coughin']

Don't understand how such a huge federal case can be made, and yet I see the man still playing, still padding stats towards that hall of fame walk....

Great ball players, all of 'em, but don't know where I stand on the Hall of Fame issue....

 

[JJScorpio]

Does anyone have proof he did steroids? Oh, thats right, Jose Canseco said so. He has also now added Alex Rodriguez to the list. Must be he's writing another book.

I bet the most of the people dumping on Bonds, would be the first ones to scream their rights have been violated if they were arrested. Bonds is no smaller today than he was 5 yrs ago. People get bigger. I did notice Sammy Sosa, Jason Giambi and many others got smaller. Bonds didn't.

Congratulations to Barry Bonds. I have enjoyed watching this happen and he should be proud. If and when someone shows me some proof then I may change my mind. Until then I'll take the high road. I like my Constitutional rights. I'm not going to strip someone else of theirs.......

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

Barry Bonds was 180 lbs witha hat size of 7/12, he is now 260 lbs with a 9 3/4 hat size. While most athletes are on a decline physically in their late 30's and early 40's , but Barry Bonds in his late 30's and early 40's is hiting better than when he was younger. So i guess he just has a gift from god and is able to beat aging and physical decline. Look at his pictures from early years and now. Sure when peopel get old they put on weight, but not 80 lbs of muscle. Your testosterone levels lower at his age,

this is from the mayo clinic

Starting around age 40, a man's body produces less testosterone. Testosterone is the main male hormone that maintains muscle mass and strength, fat distribution, bone mass, sperm production, sex drive, and potency.

Yet Bonds in his 40's seems to defy all known science? Sorry bro , he is on the juice, just like Mcquire. did you se him when he was at congress, looks like he lost around 60 lbs. To say bonds aint on roids or HGH is like saying Chris benoit wasnt on steriods or the rest of the WWE is natural athletes





Nevermind

 

[Guest]

Well, generally I really dislike getting into arguments on this site. However, a couple of the above posts are some of the worst cases of folks having an opinion & not knowing what they’re talking about that I’ve seen for a while.
When I was in collage I was a PE major & on the wrestling team. I weighed about 135 – 140 pounds. During my 30’s & 40’s I lifted a lot of weights and went from bench pressing (for example) 150 pounds up to almost 300. I only trained on beer, weed & coffee. I now weigh about 200 & am in good shape. You just don’t need steroids to get bigger & stronger if you are a male…..just a lot of hard work. Knowing how to train properly (like maxing out on your reps) will add lots muscle mass. I have the education & personal experience to back that up. Studies have shown that even dedicated runners that burn zillions of calories will still gain about 10 pounds per decade after maturity.....just like the rest of the general population. Oh…….And if a guy with one nut can win the Tour de France 7 times there’s your proof that there’s plenty of testosterone to go around to do the trick.


Bh

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

First off with wrestling your weight is always an issue so it is controlled. You usually starve yourself to make weight. So to say you were 140 in college as a wrestler dont mean that you typically walked around at 140. You had to cut to get to that 140. So more than likely you were supposed to be 150-160. So your 40 lb weight gain in past few decades is typical. Once you start weight training you should put on 10-20 lbs which would brin you to 170-180, then take in to acccount as you say that you gain 10 lbs a decade ( which is crap, i weigh the same as i do when i graduated 185, i just didnt get lazy as i got older which leads to weight gain of most adults), and that brings you to 200. easy to explain.

Barry Bonds isnt lazy , he is a pro athlete so his weight gain from age aint gonna happen like you or me. Bonds was 180 all the way thru his 30's, then all of the sudden he put on 80 lbs of muscle and his head grows 2 full sizes? You can look at hsi stomach and face and se tell tale signs of HGH abuse, hsi big stomach is a dead give away. Even seen a body builder relaxed not flexing? they have huge guts due to HGH swelling up their internal organs and their faces and heads get weird. Bone development around the jaw and forehead. like Bonds.

And the tour de france is a whoel differnt ball game. your strenght dont come into play as much as your endurance. Which is y they have doping issues instead of sterioid issues. One is a matter of strength ( hitting a ball far) the other is endurance ( using you rmuscles for extended period) and since you said you have a background in PE you should know that muscle fibers used for strength are differnt than those from endurace. Slow twitch and fast twitch fibers. Whole differnt ball game, which is why most body builders can lift a truck but cant run a mile. Lactic acid build up kills em, they dont train for that.Its the differnce between aerobic training and non aeroboc training. But i assume you knew that?






Nevermind

 

[killa-bud]

thats bullshit,how is he cheating? he cerntainly isn't the only one juiceing,but he's still better,stroids arent ****ing magic,you have to work hard to get stronger,sure it'ed be cheating if no one eles juiced,but i doubt thats the case

anyway it's ****ing sad that this asshole hitting some balls with a stick is getting more media coverge then the guys that are stuck 3 miles in the earth cole mineing so people life's are easier,no one cares about them..

 

[Guest]

There have been more than a few busted under baseball's new drug policy. and they are all small fish, except Palmerio. If steriods were suppose to make the ball players into super human players, why weren't those guys, the small fish, setting the world on fire? Yes, steriods will make you bigger, stronger and help you recover from physical activity faster. But you got to still have the physical tools to work with. To hit a small round object moving at 90 +- mph from 60'6" away with a round piece of wood ain't no small task. Cheating in sport has been going on since the Greeks, who worshipped athleticism. On another front, what really chaps my backside are reporters. Talk about a self absorbed, non talented group. I know a few personally. The one's I know, the one's I don't know but read couldn't compose a sentence or spell cat if I spotted them c-a-? They think they are the keeper of all things holy and are so much smarter than the masses because they are "journalists". One day, I'd like to get this old rusty bullet I found and line up lawyers and reporters in a nice straight line and BOOM! My only question is where to shoot them. They sold their souls long ago, they don't have a heart and their brains have stopped functioning. Oh well, better off saving the bullet, I may need it for myself if the wife doesn't stop this honey do list crap.

 

[JJScorpio]

Bonds got bigger through his thirties, like a lot of men do. I weighed 170 pounds on my 30 birthday, and weighed 220 pounds on my 35th. My father was the same way.

The bottom line is when you do steroids, you are going to put on weight and muscle, whether you work out or not. When you stop doing steroids, you ARE going to drop body mass. Bonds has been tested hard the last few years and has dropped no body mass. Giambi and Sosa both dropped weight and mass.

Ask Hulk Hogan if working out can keep a man in shape through his forties. I think we know the answer to that. I'm not saying Bonds didn't play with the steroids. What I'm saying is if the steroids put the weight and muscle on him, when he stopped he wouldn't have been able to maintain his size on his own.

I think most men would like to be in his shape in their forties.

 

[Berry_Coughin']

Juice or not the Cat hit more career homers than 100% of the people to ever play the game of baseball... If they are gonna let him hit them... then the stats have to stand....



Oh, on a side not... How ya like my boy Joba with his first 2 kills in his first showing throwing @ 100mph last night......

 

[Guest]

If people are allowed to take drugs designed to improve cognitive abilities to advance in their office careers why shouldnt all athletes be allowed to take steroids to improve their sports careers?It all comes down to the same thing,laws designed to protect us from ourselves are stupid.If an adult is willing to risk his wellbeing at no harm to others he should be left alone..

 

[Berry_Coughin']

If people are allowed to take drugs designed to improve cognitive abilities to advance in their office careers why shouldnt all athletes be allowed to take steroids to improve their sports careers?It all comes down to the same thing,laws designed to protect us from ourselves are stupid.If an adult is willing to risk his wellbeing at no harm to others he should be left alone..

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[Mr. Nevermind]

Ask Hulk Hogan if working out can keep a man in shape through his forties. I think we know the answer to that. I'm not saying Bonds didn't play with the steroids. What I'm saying is if the steroids put the weight and muscle on him, when he stopped he wouldn't have been able to maintain his size on his own.

I think most men would like to be in his shape in their forties.





Yeah cuz he got his 24 inch pythons and was bald in his 20's due to , let me guess, saying his prayers and taking his vitamins? Seriously Hogan is a roid user and now a HGH user just like his buddy Sly Stallone. At his age doctors write scripts for HGH therapy, hell even anna nicole was taking HGH. They all do. Hogan even admitted to using roids.

I would hardly use hogan as an example of anything healthy, i know you are smarter than that JJ. You know abou the roid trial he was in right?





Nevermind

 

[Guest]

I would never take steroids, I like my large testicles and I doubt they helped Chris Benoit either, he always looked like he was about to explode and eventually did

 

[JJScorpio]

The reason I use Hogan is because I know he was into them heavy and I really think he stopped a few years back. It could be wrong.

Anyways, if Bonds was heavy into steroids, why didn't he shrink with the rest of the, McGuire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Giambi? Bonds has maintained the weight and the bulk. His team mates say he works out with weights 5 days a week for 6 hours, but he would still lose some of the bulk. If anything, he may be a little bigger than he was in 98.

I think Bonds got involved in the clear. To what extent, I don't know. I do have a question though. Lawrence Taylor admitted in his book that he used cocaine during football games. Why is no one asking he not be removed from the hall of fame?

 

[Pixelante]

I don't really like Bonds, but not because he's a steroid user*. He's an arrogant asshole who disrespects his teammates, the fans, and the entire game of baseball. Mean people suck, no matter how well they can hit a ball with a bat. If he was a half-decent person, I probably wouldn't care at all. I have no qualms with McGwire, Sosa, or Giambi as people or even as athletes.

I also personally think steroids should be legal and regulated by team doctors in most pro sports. It protects the investments teams make in their players, allows for better healing, and allows for nigh-superhuman feats that will put even more asses in seats. That said, using them to gain an unfair advantage over other clean players is still wrong on a sportsmanship level.

Still, hitting that many home runs is very impressive, and steroids deserve credit only for power, not for hand-eye coordination, reading and leading the pitch, or making sure you don't foul it away. He gets my congratulations on that front.

*I am a sliver shy of 100% sure he used steroids for quite some time. I think he's clean now, but only because he was *this close* to getting caught. No middle-aged person bulks up like that unless they take a boatload of steroids. A player I think can be accurately coupled with Bonds in terms of what should be obvious steroid suspicion as a result of bulking up and dramatically improving stats in old age is Roger Clemens. The guy is one of if not the oldest MLB pitchers ever, yet all he's done is bulk up like an NFL offensive lineman and lower his ERA as he's gotten older. He also trains with complete and total secrecy and even has his own private doctors and coaches...I wonder why that might be. I am glad he didn't get busted playing with the Astros though, that would have sucked, as I am a 'Stros fan for life.

The only reason steroids are even a problem in baseball is because the player's unions are obscenely powerful. They've consistently restricted, obfuscated, and nerfed any attempts made to regulate substance ab/use of any kind since the early 1980s.

 

[Babbabud]

Well so far no one can prove it .... but since you guys all look high lets take your freedom away.

 

[meduser180056]

I think they should just let them use performance enhancing drugs. Then every team would have to employ a good chemist to keep up with the other teams new drugs. Eventually it would get out of hand and players would start coming down with serious side effects or even dying. Pro athletes will begin to die young and have many health problems as they get older due to drug abuse.

Then there will be a backlash and players/owners/spectators alike will come to their senses and performance enhancing drugs will be allowed but regulated so no one would get hurt. Offshoot leagues will appear that allow crazy drugs to be used. Other offshoot leagues will appear that are completely "natural".

In one of these druggie offshoot leagues in 2013 we will see Barry Bonds son come strutttin out at a whoppin 450 pounds of PURE MUSCLE! He will hit the ball out of the stadium everytime he connects and the fans will love and hate em.

That's what I think should happen.