Bagseed for now...goodies on the way..

[Finklsteinshtkd]

Hey guys...i've been creepin around here for a few years now, reading and asking questions..

I have a few grows under my belt but only one that was like unbelievable...it was chronic strain, but basically bagseed from an ounce of chronic..my buddy said it was better than the cali weed he got the seeds out of...that made me smile.

Anyways, that was like in '05. Here I am 3 1/2 years later and finally with more of a real setup, and alot more knowledge and experience, but still a little noobish...

What i've got going now is bagseed...now don't get me wrong, this bagseed was collected slowly over time, and all i've been able to get over the past few years is bomb..which sucks becuase its always expensive...

i grew some of the seeds out and found two males...one of which I kept and put a clear plastic bag over, to hopefully pollenate just one bud of my females...

I've got three confirmed females goin', I put them into 12/12 on christmas day. The same day that I finally setup my homebox L which i've had for over a year still in the box...I'm running a 600W HPS digital lumantek...

I'm also using FFOF with 30% vermiculite, I then use that mix for 2 out of three parts, the third part being worm castings, in each pot...I've been using hygrozyme and superthrive. Anyways, here are pics...its been about 12 days..





I don't know why these bottome leaves are yellowing...



Here's a view of my LST...they were topped because i was trying to make clones when they were way too small...






each plant has about six budsites...these pics are from yesterday, they already look better than this...

why are my bottom leaves yellowing like this...one at a time...is it because i'm organic?

The rest of the plant is so very rich/dark green that I hate to fertilize them...i've already given them a good fertilization...i used peace of mind fruit and blooms as a top dressing at half strength (in their old pots, these don't have that top dressing), and some open sesame at half strength...

EDIT:The goodies on the way are strawberry double diesel, northern lights, ice cream and white rhino!!:EDIT

 

[Weedninja]

why are my bottom leaves yellowing like this...one at a time...is it because i'm organic?

You have too much N in that soil. See the tip burn and the way the leaves are curling under. That's N overdose.

They are yellowing because you are either locking out mag or you just don't have enough.

When you say 30% vermiculite, do you mean perlite? I see some perlite in that mix. 30% perlite would be good, 30% vermiculite would be bad.

I can help you more if you go to the infirmary and fill out Stitch's questionnaire.

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

Cool man...thanks alot..very helpful...I just assumed there'd be plenty of mag in FFOF...but i guess not...I guess I won't add any more N...maybe thats why they aren't progressing very quickly through the flowering process...i read somewhere that too much N will delay the onset of flowering..thanks again..

I guess the excess N is from the castings?? its the only thing i did differently...

 

[funkervogt]

Wow, your setup is very similar to mine. FFOF soil, bagseed, low-stress training, and the same N overdose that I did (except I did it throughout the grow - doyeee! )

I'm excited to see where your grow is headed.

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

cool man thanks alot, i'm excited too...do you know what it was that cause the N overdose? Was it naturally the FFOF...i'm thinking it might be my worm castings, but I haven't dug the bag out to check the NPK yet...

I made a new year's res to never buy smoke again...so i'm very excited to get a harvest cause man...its been dry for me..

EDIT:I tried to check out your grow, but it takes me to the non-icmag warning page with the icmag link listed at the bottom to your thread...so basically its telling me your thread is non-icmag, but the url starts www.icmag.com just like always...so i stopped right there... :EDIT

 

[Weedninja]

FFOF is a rich soil. A lot of growers "cut" it with a lighter mix. I've been using something similar to FFOF and that's what I do.

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

so you said vermiculite is bad?..whats the difference between adding vermiculite, or going with a coco blend (either adding coco to FFOF, or coco blend black gold)?? I only got the verm because they didn't have perlite that wasn't enriched with miracle grow at lowes...i'm in a state that gets very cold this time of year so there's a deffinate off-season for garden centers.. the dro' shop had some but they wanted $40 for a giant bag that I can't really conceal..the perlite you see in the pictures came in the FFOF

 

[funkervogt]

I think the link problem is system wide dude.

Vermiculite isn't bad, neither is perlite. Don't they have smaller bags at your shop?

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

yah, i think you're right about the links...my bad, I did check out your grow though...badass..i'm really excited about my plants...like i said, i've grown a few times before, but i really feel like this is the first time, and that i'm more prepared...i've always grown half-ass and never really had a legit set-up that wasn't 100 degrees.
No, my shop only had giant bags. Lowes had small bags but the perlite was "enhanced with miracle grow"...whatever..that turned me off...

I noticed you and ghost talking about humidity so I just added a humidifier literally thirty seconds ago...

I had a question about LST though...today is the 14th day on the dot, and i've been training the f*** out of them...and i'm really loving this whole LST concept..all my grow sites are about even with each other, but in doing that, i've kept the two top budsites from growing into branches...and its a really small plant with small budsites. Shouldn't I untie and let them grow branches?? Bud forms along the stem right? Bud doesn't just grow out from the top of a budsite, but more along the budsite branch right??? I feel like they're really trained but are only gonna produce popcorn buds...like I said its only the two week mark...

My next question is related to what I was just asking...Do I want my plants to stretch, or do I not want them to stretch...i didn't veg long because I was very anxious to get them producing, and if they stretch...does that equal a bigger plant, or just less bud thats more spread out and not dense? The reason I ask is because i'm worried about yield(even though I shouldn't even think about yield yet and just learn). I've got three plants in a 3x3 homeboxL under a 600Watter...it looks like a joke in there because of the lack of plants, and how small they are..how can I make them bigger?? untie them?? pull them down and tie them back later if/when they get bigger??

any help is greatly appreciated...I think my N overdose will work itself out, I just need to get some epsom salt..they look really healthy to me...I moved the closer to the light so hopefully that will cause them to use more nutes, as well as I can see a little growth spurt occuring in the last two days...I'll just give them plain water until they look hungry..

 

[funkervogt]

I would keep them as tied down--spread out as possible.

When performing LST or other methods where you're tying down the branches what you're doing is optimizing the plant for the indoor overhead light; maximizing the amount of leaf coverage receiving direct light. Leaves are the solar panels that generate the power for your plant.

In terms of bud growth, calyxes form along the internodes of the branches, mostly on new growing shoots. These produce kolas. LST spreads out the branches so they produce many smaller kolas rather than one big kola. This concept is also applied in SOG.

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

so theoretically, my stem material should grow the same amount total whether its tied down or not right??I really am loving LST..the exposed horizontal internodes on the small branches I DO have are now forming their own branches/budsites...before, they were heavily shaded and didn't have the slightest bit of new growth..

 

[Weedninja]

Vermiculite holds water and keeps your soil moist, perlite creates air pockets and dries out your soil a little. They're sort of opposites.

There's nothing wrong with either, but one is not a substititute for the other. Your soil mix shouldn't need any vermiculite right now and 30% is high anyway.

I use peat to cut my soil, but if you use that, you have to add a little lime to balance out the acidity. I just bought some peat a few weeks ago and it is definitely not gardening season where I am.

I've never used coco, so I don't have any insight on that, but people use it all the time and speak highly of it.

Smart move not buying the enhanced perlite.

 

[Bake_McBride]

Finklsteinshtkd,

I'm pulling up a chair. Can't wait to see how they turn out. Do you know what type of weed the seeds came from?

Bake

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

Finklsteinshtkd,

I'm pulling up a chair. Can't wait to see how they turn out. Do you know what type of weed the seeds came from?

Bake

No, not specifically...the only ones i've ever marked are the two sour diesel seeds I've found.. I know it was from something bomb...Over the past two 1/2 years i've been going through about a quarter bag a week at $125 and finding seeds every so often...tired of the high prices but again, thats why i'm here..

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

man...today it looks like on one of my three plants...that one of them has male preflowers intermingling with my female flowers...i'm so pissed...if I had more plants I would chop that bitch down...should I just rip its balls off??

 

[johnipedestran]

you should pull the plant

as far as your questions go about tying down and stretch, the real issue is light penetration. Your light, assuming a horizontal set up, can only penetrate X number inches down. Meaning if you just let your plants grow straight up, the budsites at the bottom of the plant would not get exposed to intense enough light, and end up as popcorn buds.

hope that makes some sense to you

peace
jip

 

[Weedninja]

I agree with jip on both points.

Late nanners can usually be dealt with, but early nanners are nothing but headache and heartbreak.

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

thanks for the responses, and all the good tips. I just wish i could make my plants that i've flowered too early, more beastly... I moved my plants into the bathroom with the light on so that I could get inside my tent with my HID off and all the lights in my house on...no light leaks...perfectly dark...until...my "bathroom" exhaust fan comes on...it has a pneumatic louver that opens when the fan comes on...its pitch black until that louver opens...so I used that as an opportunity to fill a black leg of panty hose with activated charcoal and put it in the 4" sleeve of my tent that the bathroom fan uses...this fan was $12 at lowes and is only temporary...i figured I can use it for a mother box later or something when it gets upgraded..

 

[Finklsteinshtkd]

So if I let the hermie stay I'll get feminized seed right? That seed will have hermie tendencies when introduced to light stress, but won't necessarily hermie all the time and it should still be female right?

I was gonna make my own colloidal silver in the future to try to make some feminized seed, so maybe i'll just let it?

If i've fixed the light leak, and I pull all the nanners off, will more nanners form? Or would that require additional light stress??

 

[Weedninja]

You MIGHT get feminized seed. It depends on what the true gender of your hermie is.
What's most likely is that you will get very hermie prone seed. Silver induced hermies are better to work with because plants usually aren't exposed to large amounts of silver in normal growth conditions.

If i've fixed the light leak, and I pull all the nanners off, will more nanners form? Or would that require additional light stress??

All things are possible, grasshoppah. I know it's hard to kill a plant that you've grown from seed before harvest, but I stand by my last post.