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How long has this problem been going on? Since germination...about 30 days
What STRAIN are you growing? JLP's SDOG, and Sweet tooth x BOG's Lifesaver
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seed
What is the age of your plants? About 33-34 days old.
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? Same, 33-34 days
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How Tall are the plants? Shortest is about 4", the tallest is about 8"
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? 12/12 for 18 days.
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) SOG
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) Pop bottles 7" t x 3" w
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) FFOF (3/4) and perlite (1/4)
What Nutrient's are you using? molasses (once), EWC tea (once), PB Pro for soil (twice)
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* PB Pro...10 ml per gallon (first time), diluted by half second time.
How often are you feeding? See above.
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients? first was 8 days ago
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? Unkown, I don't have a meter.
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? Not sure, I have been adjusting my tap water to 6.5
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? Drops
How often are you watering? Only pre-watering.
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? Last feeding was 4 days ago.
What size bulb are you using? 153 watts of CFL's, 5 x 23 watt (warm), 2 x 18 watt (day)
What is the distance to the canopy? About 2-3 inches.
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) Between 20% and 35%.
What is the canopy temperature? Lights on between 83F & 89F, lights off about 70F.
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) See above.
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 97 CFM pulling thru scrubber, 8x8 passive intake
This is in a micro cab, chamber size is 29" wide x 29" high x 11" deep
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? No.
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? Maybe....
Is your water HARD or SOFT? Tap water is about 7.5 to 8 (I don't have an accurate meter)
What water are you using? Tap, ph'ed to approx 6.5
Are you using water from a water softener? No
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? No
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? No
Are plant's infected with pest's? No
Hello Helpful Medics
My apologies for this discombobulated grow I have going on. I havent' grown a garden in about a year and a half, I'm out of practice, and on top of that I made one significant fuck up in the beginning which might be where my problems lie.
About 18 months ago, I started a little garden. Not sure why, but all my seedlings died, previous to this I had what seemed a green thumb. In preparation for that garden I had prepared a tub with some fresh FFOF soil and perlite (I think it was 75% FFOF, 25% perlite, but it was a long time ago). Anyway, my seedlings all died, summer-time heat was knockin on the door, and I decided to postpone growing for a few months. That turned into about 18 months for a variety of reasons.
Back to the present....I'm ready to get going with a new garden. I decide to use the soil that I had put into the tub way back then, even though it had dried to dust. Stupid me, I thought I could just water it like fresh soil....stupid me.
I germed my seedlings, got 7 of JLP's SDOG beans to sprout, and got 4 Sweet tooth 1.1 X BOG's Lifesaver to show tail. I then placed these in little 3 oz (?) plastic cups with that same FFOF shitty soil in them watered and waited. All the beans burst forth toward the light.
I think one mistake I made was when preparing the little cups, I only put one drain hole in their bottoms, and I think the soil at the bottom remained kind of wet. The seedlings didn't seem to be growing at the same rate I had seen previous seedlings grow at. After they were in those little cups for about 10 days I decided to transplant into the pop bottles, thinking the roots were too soaked.
Anyways...I transplanted into the pop bottles. These were 1 liter bottles cut down to 7" high and they are 3" wide. There is about 1" of hydroton at the very bottom, and about 5.5" of that shitty soil mix. I watered these with tap water ph adjusted to approx 6.5, and mixed a molasses tea (1 tablespoon per gallon) and watered till there was runoff. At this time I noticed that a whole bunch of that shitty soil was not absorbing the water/tea.
Growth was still slow. There was yellowing happening to the first set of real leaves, at this point started thinking maybe my dirt was shitty. I decided to make a tea of EWC and water with that next time to see if I might bring some life back to this shitty soil.
I put these plants into 12/12 cycle when they were about 2 weeks old (I was originally planning on getting them into 12/12 from seed, but I read something saying you shouldn't put your plants into flower if they aren't healthy). At this point, since they had already been developing a root system for 2 weeks, I thought they might take off in their growth, and soon start their flower stretch period.
They continued to look generally unhealthy. I am generally a smart waterer, going by how heavy the pot feels. I was wondering if I was letting them dry out enough, I thought so, but they were looking droopy, which is a sign of over watering. BUT....I knew the soil was pretty bad, so I wasn't sure if that was playing a part.
I watered the next time with PB Pro for soil (1.5 - 4 - 5), 10 ml per gallon. At this point I had decided to water with the soak method, to make sure the entire body of soil was inundated with liquid. The soil seemed to be repelling the water previously, maybe leaving dry spots in the middle.
3 days later, the pots felt pretty light (they are so so small, its not as easy telling the difference between fully watered and dry). I decided to water the 2 lightest of the plants. I soaked these with that same PB Pro solution, but diluted to half the strength by adding more water (I thought I may have gone to strong the first time). These plants seemed to respond very favorably. I thought that might be a sign they were needing nutes, so the next day I soaked the remaining plants in that solution. They all seemed to perk up. Thought I may have solved the problem.
For some reason, I'm not sure why, I decided to water them about a day and a half later. I think what happened was they initially perked up, then started getting droopy again, so I thought they might need some more nutes. But I remember them still being pretty heavy, so I think they were still pretty wet. As I considered what I had done, I started thinking that I likely over watered.
So...I haven't watered them since, about 4 days ago. Remember, there isn't much soil in these containers, only about 5.5" high x 3" wide. So, it would seem unlikely they could go much longer, there appeared to be a significant root system to suck up the water. But they are still looking droopy, some worse than others.
On top of the droopiness, there definitely seems to be a nute shortage going on, my guess would be N, but not sure if I'm correct. There seems to be an unfortunately large number of variables that could be coming into play here (shitty soil, shitty dry soil, small containers, slow start because of ?, you name the others). On top of that, I'm growing in a new cab for the first time, and battling temp levels that are on the border of being unacceptable.
Regarding the small size of the container I'm growing in....these are actually a little bigger than others I have seen. DrBudGreenjeans has a few threads going, and gets great results in smaller bottles, and others have copied him and gotten good results. I understand it isn't the ideal root environment for the girls, but I don't think it is toxic.
I am starting to get the feeling that these plants are never going to get healthy, and put all this work into a truly miniscule harvest. I'm starting to get the idea I should just chuck this grow and start over with good, fresh soil. But, these are the nicest genetics I have ever had the opportunity to grow, and I really don't want to toss them.
Can anyone help me?
Sorry for the longlonglong post...I always try to provide as much info as possible, sometimes to the extreme.
How long has this problem been going on? Since germination...about 30 days
What STRAIN are you growing? JLP's SDOG, and Sweet tooth x BOG's Lifesaver
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seed
What is the age of your plants? About 33-34 days old.
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? Same, 33-34 days
.
How Tall are the plants? Shortest is about 4", the tallest is about 8"
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? 12/12 for 18 days.
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) SOG
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) Pop bottles 7" t x 3" w
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) FFOF (3/4) and perlite (1/4)
What Nutrient's are you using? molasses (once), EWC tea (once), PB Pro for soil (twice)
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* PB Pro...10 ml per gallon (first time), diluted by half second time.
How often are you feeding? See above.
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients? first was 8 days ago
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? Unkown, I don't have a meter.
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? Not sure, I have been adjusting my tap water to 6.5
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? Drops
How often are you watering? Only pre-watering.
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? Last feeding was 4 days ago.
What size bulb are you using? 153 watts of CFL's, 5 x 23 watt (warm), 2 x 18 watt (day)
What is the distance to the canopy? About 2-3 inches.
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) Between 20% and 35%.
What is the canopy temperature? Lights on between 83F & 89F, lights off about 70F.
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) See above.
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 97 CFM pulling thru scrubber, 8x8 passive intake
This is in a micro cab, chamber size is 29" wide x 29" high x 11" deep
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? No.
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? Maybe....
Is your water HARD or SOFT? Tap water is about 7.5 to 8 (I don't have an accurate meter)
What water are you using? Tap, ph'ed to approx 6.5
Are you using water from a water softener? No
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? No
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? No
Are plant's infected with pest's? No
Hello Helpful Medics
My apologies for this discombobulated grow I have going on. I havent' grown a garden in about a year and a half, I'm out of practice, and on top of that I made one significant fuck up in the beginning which might be where my problems lie.
About 18 months ago, I started a little garden. Not sure why, but all my seedlings died, previous to this I had what seemed a green thumb. In preparation for that garden I had prepared a tub with some fresh FFOF soil and perlite (I think it was 75% FFOF, 25% perlite, but it was a long time ago). Anyway, my seedlings all died, summer-time heat was knockin on the door, and I decided to postpone growing for a few months. That turned into about 18 months for a variety of reasons.
Back to the present....I'm ready to get going with a new garden. I decide to use the soil that I had put into the tub way back then, even though it had dried to dust. Stupid me, I thought I could just water it like fresh soil....stupid me.
I germed my seedlings, got 7 of JLP's SDOG beans to sprout, and got 4 Sweet tooth 1.1 X BOG's Lifesaver to show tail. I then placed these in little 3 oz (?) plastic cups with that same FFOF shitty soil in them watered and waited. All the beans burst forth toward the light.
I think one mistake I made was when preparing the little cups, I only put one drain hole in their bottoms, and I think the soil at the bottom remained kind of wet. The seedlings didn't seem to be growing at the same rate I had seen previous seedlings grow at. After they were in those little cups for about 10 days I decided to transplant into the pop bottles, thinking the roots were too soaked.
Anyways...I transplanted into the pop bottles. These were 1 liter bottles cut down to 7" high and they are 3" wide. There is about 1" of hydroton at the very bottom, and about 5.5" of that shitty soil mix. I watered these with tap water ph adjusted to approx 6.5, and mixed a molasses tea (1 tablespoon per gallon) and watered till there was runoff. At this time I noticed that a whole bunch of that shitty soil was not absorbing the water/tea.
Growth was still slow. There was yellowing happening to the first set of real leaves, at this point started thinking maybe my dirt was shitty. I decided to make a tea of EWC and water with that next time to see if I might bring some life back to this shitty soil.
I put these plants into 12/12 cycle when they were about 2 weeks old (I was originally planning on getting them into 12/12 from seed, but I read something saying you shouldn't put your plants into flower if they aren't healthy). At this point, since they had already been developing a root system for 2 weeks, I thought they might take off in their growth, and soon start their flower stretch period.
They continued to look generally unhealthy. I am generally a smart waterer, going by how heavy the pot feels. I was wondering if I was letting them dry out enough, I thought so, but they were looking droopy, which is a sign of over watering. BUT....I knew the soil was pretty bad, so I wasn't sure if that was playing a part.
I watered the next time with PB Pro for soil (1.5 - 4 - 5), 10 ml per gallon. At this point I had decided to water with the soak method, to make sure the entire body of soil was inundated with liquid. The soil seemed to be repelling the water previously, maybe leaving dry spots in the middle.
3 days later, the pots felt pretty light (they are so so small, its not as easy telling the difference between fully watered and dry). I decided to water the 2 lightest of the plants. I soaked these with that same PB Pro solution, but diluted to half the strength by adding more water (I thought I may have gone to strong the first time). These plants seemed to respond very favorably. I thought that might be a sign they were needing nutes, so the next day I soaked the remaining plants in that solution. They all seemed to perk up. Thought I may have solved the problem.
For some reason, I'm not sure why, I decided to water them about a day and a half later. I think what happened was they initially perked up, then started getting droopy again, so I thought they might need some more nutes. But I remember them still being pretty heavy, so I think they were still pretty wet. As I considered what I had done, I started thinking that I likely over watered.
So...I haven't watered them since, about 4 days ago. Remember, there isn't much soil in these containers, only about 5.5" high x 3" wide. So, it would seem unlikely they could go much longer, there appeared to be a significant root system to suck up the water. But they are still looking droopy, some worse than others.
On top of the droopiness, there definitely seems to be a nute shortage going on, my guess would be N, but not sure if I'm correct. There seems to be an unfortunately large number of variables that could be coming into play here (shitty soil, shitty dry soil, small containers, slow start because of ?, you name the others). On top of that, I'm growing in a new cab for the first time, and battling temp levels that are on the border of being unacceptable.
Regarding the small size of the container I'm growing in....these are actually a little bigger than others I have seen. DrBudGreenjeans has a few threads going, and gets great results in smaller bottles, and others have copied him and gotten good results. I understand it isn't the ideal root environment for the girls, but I don't think it is toxic.
I am starting to get the feeling that these plants are never going to get healthy, and put all this work into a truly miniscule harvest. I'm starting to get the idea I should just chuck this grow and start over with good, fresh soil. But, these are the nicest genetics I have ever had the opportunity to grow, and I really don't want to toss them.
Can anyone help me?
Sorry for the longlonglong post...I always try to provide as much info as possible, sometimes to the extreme.
