Azamax and Spinosad for moms and new clones in soil.

[Guest]

I would hate to use either on flowers but for moms and clones and gifted clones would it be prudent to use both especially for gifted clones that are intended to be moms for future cuts to grow ?? What are the routines you guys who acquire cuts via trades ? I have used Azamax but am considering using Spinosad in conjunction for new arrivals during a couple weeks of quarantine.
Edit to add I have to this point in time not had a pest problem beyond a few gnats when I accidentally over watered a couple times. Easy to fix that issue with just some sticky strips and cutting back on the water. My mistake.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Spinosad is not an issue for this, and I wouldn't have a problem dosing a cut with neem/aza, as long as it was only intended for a mum later. The aza is significantly nasty for me and some others, so almost anything besides neem/aza is preferred for clones.


I use mosquito bits for gnat control, and it works like a charm. Gone in a day or two max.

 

[sshz]

Might I suggest wettable sulfer dust......4 tablespoons in a gallon of water, spray the crap out of the plants. The mix dries, the sulfer kills most bugs, mold, blight, etc. It will not harm your plants. Do it weekly up til flowering. Cheap, easy and more effective than any of the products you're considering.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Quarantine is your primary goal until you actually know what's present.

It's a good idea to keep any incoming plants away from your grow at first. The possible issues it can bring in are many, and they range from fungi, to bugs, to viruses and more. I would be very careful to make sure it is 'contained,' and not bringing spores into your place.

Be sure to 'clean' yourself after tending the quarantine area before you visit your grow.

 

[Guest]

I have done this in the past for the few clones I have been gifted. Just used Azamax by itself previously and kept them separate from everything else for about 10 days. Just was curious if the spinosad was additional insurance. The soon to be inbound clone will be the last one for a long time most likely. These don’t get grown out. Just clones for backups and cuts to grow. Seems to be the most common method. Makes sense to me.

 

[mexweed]

sulfur won't touch thrips, it's definitely a temporary solution and not good for an end all be all quarantine bomb

spinosad is probably your best bet, it's basically a one and done, but can apply it twice just to be safe

 

[Grapefruitroop]

spinosad is probably your best bet, it's basically a one and done, but can apply it twice just to be safe

I taught that the spinosads were toxins that kills on contact...
What do you mean by "one and done" ?

 

[Chevy cHaze]

Spinosad ftw, always. Takes care of mites and thrips apparently and I have never had mites but severe thrips outbreaks that were extinguished using a product containing spinosad.
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[mexweed]

I mean that you spray the plant down once really good and it should be good, it's not something that has to be repeatedly applied

 

[hellfire]

Good posts in this thread. I'll add that with any fresh cuttings or small enough plants several dunks in warm soap/surfactant water and rinses in fresh water to knock off any sizeable bugs that might be hiding. Then proceed to aza/sulfur/hort oil/iso - water/essential oil etc whatever yours is sprays.

 

[Grapefruitroop]

Then proceed to aza/sulfur/hort oil/iso - water/essential oil etc whatever yours is sprays.

Sulfur and oils (naturals or minerals) in general are enemies....you cant incorporate both of em in the same IPM cause you will fry your babies...


As far as Spinosad, my undestanding was that ,its a broad spectrum insecticide that works on contact. Not systemic, not translaminar.

That means that the bug have to get in contact with it or ingest it. If your plants grow new tissue that has not been treated than the bug can go for it with no issue........so you have to reapply it.....for severe infestation up to 3 times in the life cycle of most veggies and edibles....
Also depend from the pest you have do deal with....some are easier than other.....thrips can be easly wiped out with one application but others may require more and combined with other strategies or product...


I like Spinosad 11.6% but it kills a lot of beneficial bugs of the environment so.....veeeery careful!

 

[hellfire]

Sulfur and oils (naturals or minerals) in general are enemies....you cant incorporate both of em in the same IPM cause you will fry your babies...

I know this, I was listing the things mentioned in this thread and general IPMs