Auto Flower Bubble Gum?

[TGT]

I have recently popped 5 Bubble Gum seeds my wife had picked up for me on a trip to Italy and Holland, being the sweat heart that she is (she'll be reading this lol!).

I had them for a year now and a little over a month ago I decided to pop them. With a month of veg, three are beautiful and doing as well as I had hoped - looking very much alike. The other two are not what I had expected. 1 came out an auto flowerering male, and the other which has the exact structure and smell as the male became an auto flowering female. These two plants are different pheno's to the normal ones.

They both are under 20 hours of light and both flowered almost around the same time, may be the male a week earlier. The female auto is totally female it seems and the male totally male, or so it seems up until now. Doesn't seem to be any hermaphrodite flowers at all.

I am wondering if I pollinate the auto female with the auto male, and then eventually make F2's to bring out as many pheno's as I can, could it be a good possibility of making all seeds Auto Flowering BG?

I don't know much about auto flowering strains, but if I could do this I would love to use the seeds outdoors and get extra early crops, as long as I keep the potency up. On another note, it would be nice if flowering only started with 20 hours of light and under so that clones could be cut and kept under 24 hour light, but that's too much to expect I am sure.

Any suggestions on what I should do, or is this just a waste of time? I have the time and ability to do it, I just don't want to bite off more than I can chew.

It seems like having 2 plants out of 5 BG being so compatable for this idea that one could read between the lines as it was mean't to be? lol!

Any idea's or suggestions please speak up. I do not know much of auto flowering plants, so it should be interesting.

TGT

 

[blackosprey]

The auto gene is recessive, but may be recessive in the BG strain itself. If you mate these, 50% of seed should come out auto in f1. From there, find an auto male and auto female, mate them, and you should have 100% auto at f2.
Ra male x Ra female=
Ra, Ra, aa, aa in f1
aa male x aa female=
aa, aa, aa, aa in f2
The trick would be identifying a true auto male and female in f1, and not just showing the recessive auto gene.

Edit to say, I am new to tracing out genetics, so if this is wrong, please let me know.

 

[TGT]

Thank you Blackosprey! That was the info I was looking for.

I once studied a book by Greg Green (I think that's the authors name?) on genetics and breeding, but after spending a month trying to soak up as much info as possible - I was told it was incorrect and not a good book to read. I hope they were wrong because if so I wasted many hours.

The plants I want to work with seem to be auto 'flowerer's' (if that is a word) just on the sativa pheno. The indica ones were normal.

So, in your opinion, do you think it's a good idea to experiment with?

Thanks again!

TGT

 

[blackosprey]

Well, since curiosity and experimentation are the things that have pushed cannabis to where it is today, I say of course you should. You never know what you will come up with, and at the very least, you'll get some first hand experience with genetics and breeding. Plus, an full auto bubble gum could be very interesting.

good luck, and give some updates if you move forward.

 

[shroomyshroom]

I dont think that the auto flowering is actual real auto flowering... from the little information that you provided id say that the 2 that did auto is because of a stress related issue... id be more inclined to try figure out what caused them to auto in the first place... as these plants if crossed will not produce true auto flowering plants but rather... plants that when stress a prone to auto flowering..

 

[TGT]

Shroomyshroom, thanks for the response, but there was no stress as I can see. I've had my share of growing, so I like to think that I know what I'm doing, or at least I hope by now lol! I understand stress to be a big factor and I purposly treat my plants from seed with extra care as their genetics are unknown.

I agree that the plants if stressed will change sex, and by breeded them together only would cause more plants to come out stress prone, but I will make sure there is no light leaks as this could be the only problem if there is any - but I do believe the room to be very light tight. I have used this room dozens of times in the past, but you brought up a good point that might prevent me from wasting time.

I'll check tonight by sitting in the room and letting my eye's adjust to the dark. If that is all okay, I believe it to be true auto flowerer's and then hopefully find the best action to take to make seeds.

Thanks for making me look at all factors before going ahead.

TGT

 

[420bears]

autos are fun

 

[aridbud]

autos are fun

Yep, gotta agree on that one!


Bubblegum is a nice selection!!

 

[EastBayGrower]

I once studied a book by Greg Green (I think that's the authors name?) on genetics and breeding, but after spending a month trying to soak up as much info as possible - I was told it was incorrect and not a good book to read. I hope they were wrong because if so I wasted many hours.

the book was originally written by Robert Clarke under the pen name Greg Green as, get this, a doctorate paper for his genetics class LOL

no pictures just hand drawn sketches, great breeding info, almost like a pre-requisite for any aspiring breeder.

check out his other books too,, RC is a cool dude..

 

[aridbud]

Robert Clarke, the go-to guide.

Have tried several Bubblegum...Nirvana's was ok. A few others as well. Finding that lip smacking pheno ....priceless.

 

[gorilla ganja]

Do you know which breeder the seeds came from?

Peace GG

 

[aridbud]

Well, we hybridized ours from a local NL breeder for our Bubblegum auto when we visited in '10. Since then, he connected w/ Victory last I heard.

THSeeds makes as good one, as does Vision, both autos.

Nirvana is good....grow several (regular) and you should find a nice pheno.