At least you dont have this problem

[weed_snob]

Has anybody ever run into enviroment poisoning?

If this is a gassesous poisoning is there any amount of ventalation, or co2 addition to combat this?

OK my plants are very slowly dieing, and that is hard to do. I have some experiance and its a simple soil grow so this really shouldnt be out of my range but i have tried everything except knocking a hole through the wall.

I have avoided overfertilizing, i grow organic and they have never grown enough to run into defficancy, but i still tried giving a few differnt mixes of food to different test plants, nothing. I treid adjusting the ph of the water every which way (reverse osmosis, range from 5.8-7.0) and adjusting the lime content. I tried a simple out of the bag soil, nothin. I tried epsom salt spray, kelp spray, no change. repotting, increasing water, decreasing water, flushes, no change.

The temp range is a little high (90 at the high end)and the humidity is about 55% but the air circulation is good.

I have tried everything i can think and as far as i can tell in theory my plants are healthy and 4 feet tall, but in reality they are mostly about 10 inches, yellowing dieing faster than they grow (which is very slow on both ends).

I am not 100% that its something in the air but my friend took care of one of my girls, he didn't change a thing but the plant took off like she was escaping from prison. Ive taken back possesion of her and she is dieing again.

To double check i am going to go get a tomatoe plant and grow her in whatever she is grwoning in. apparently tomatoe plants are used in greenhouses because they yellow quickly when exposed to bad gas buildup. Im not sure what to hope for, if it is gas poisoning i think im screwed and if not i may kill myself trying to figure this out.

 

[MTF-Sandman]

Do you currently have any ventilation? There is a thing known as toxic room syndrome (or something like that) that some folks have experienced, but it's pretty rare. How about some pics and specifics on how the room is setup?

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

If your plants are dying in a faster pace than they are growing, I would guess at something really nasty in the water or the soil. But there's no way of guessing what's happening from the scant info you left us.

 

[weed_snob]

Im not asking for a diagnoisis on this one rosy cheeks, hell ive already tried all the remedies.

Yes there is ventalation in and out of the closet constantly (its a big closet too, not close to full), but the apartment isnt very well ventalated and that is where the air supply is comming from. I open windows when i can, but i dont feal safe leaving and having them left open.

I could try running an intake from the dryer vent, but i dont want to mess with that untill i know its the air and that increased ventalation could help if it was.

really what i want to know is has anybody ever had this problem and what they did to fix it.

 

[mig]

I have never had this problem. Usually my problems originate from me being blitzed when I do my setup and forget something trivial. if you got the money try using a carbon scrubber on the air coming into the room to filter it out just in case it is something you cannot see. Could be some type of mold thats growing in ur apartment or something. Also, how are your plants dying? Are the mature leaves dying first or the new leaves dying first? What do the leaves look like?...color?...size? What do the undersides of the leaves look like? It could also be the heat. 90 is pretty high. How close is the light to the tops? do you know the average highs and lows of your closet each night? The nights might not be cool enough...maybe the humidity is too high and the water is not transpiring out of the plant like it should. I once read the more fresh air the better...so pump that box full

ps if all else fails, try and keep em alive till you can put em outside in the woods somewhere.

 

[thc43]

post a pic hard to believe your air is toxic, low air flow youll get stretchy weaker plants prone to mould.


temps,
ec or salt build up
root bound or dried out damaged roots might cause fast dying.

 

[unknownone]

What kind of soil are you using? If you are using cheap potting soil, I suggest Fox Farm Ocean Forest, it saved my plants. If you transplant into 3:1 FFOFerlite I bet your plants will be back to healthy in 2 or 3 days. Good luck.

 

[chosen]

I may have a simple silly answer for you. Many years ago I had a friend. I don't have any now. I have a girlfriend. Sorry!!! All of his plants died one after the other for 2 crops. The plant looked fine at first and then the stem almost hollowed out or dried and died. We had no idea of what it was. It was some form of funky virus or mold. I took over the room. Same space. Easier setup. back when I grew. I took everything out of the room Sterilized it with bleach and bug bombs. I repainted it with elastomeric white paint and moved right along. I had no problems at all. I also used neem oil all through veg and cloning. Don't use in flowering unless just for a week or so. IT was a form of black mold or fungus that I've never heard of or since encountered. Neem is a triple threat. STops mites. Forces them away. Acts as a fungicide. Makes my leaves look shiny... Try it out

 

[enjoi_skater]

got a ph meter???? and also, if your growing organically ive noticed that every single nute you add in has to be completely equal.... sure you know that.....experiment with the things that you think are wrong first, like the ventilation, adding co2, making sure your grow room has negative air pressure, etc etc....that could be a problem for you tooo.......if your exhaust fan isnt sucking up all the air and creating a negative environment then yea there prolly is a lot of stale air...(no co2)


i think you just said it right there man that your plants are getting enough air....dont listen to these idiots who say you need fox farm soil, shit ive grown in mulch before.., im sure you know what your doing man, if what you said is really the case (your friends place is aiding your plants and he isnt changing anything) then yeah that definately sounds like a ventilation problem....yeah i doubt your air is toxic....yea maybe toxic because theres no co2...meaning no fresh air....if you cant supply fresh air, meaning opening windows, air conditioning then i would invest in a co2 system theres no way....you can blow all the air around all you want to if its lacking in co2 (which fresh air doesnt) then its nothing to your plants....

bottom line you need to open windows, or get some kind of air conditioning unit in your house (if you dont already) i understand it is getting ventilation, it is getting air from your house, but it sounds like maybe your house doesnt have the freshest of air (not saying you live in a dirty house!!!!! just saying plants suck up fresh air faster then you think.....not fresh air to you, but fresh air to your plants....

because all air contains oxygen and co2..(obviously, not trying to call u an idiot just trying to explain) we use oxygen and not co2 because carbon dioxide is a waste product for us...but not for plants...so what your plants are doing is taking this fresh air and changing the molecular structure....(aka removing all the carbon dioxide) and in exchange what your plants are doing is probably choking from the lack co2 in your apartment (good for you, bad for your plants!!! once your plants use the co2, the air is useless....no matter how much you recirculate it around its not gonna change the molecular structure back...) because your plants are sucking up all the co2 in your grow room and in your apartment....so in addition to recirculating air in your grow room in your apartment, exhausting and intaking air, you still do need fresh air constantly whehter its an air conditioner, co2, or opening your windows.....your air is more then likely not toxic...

unless your your room is extremely dirty (in that case you would probably, note i said PROBABLY see little critters, fungus, and especially powerdy mildew) i always do sterilize and disinfect my grow rooms now...but for about 2 years i never did, infact never even cleaned or disinfected the closet before i turned it into a growroom...then again it was never in any kind of gross, dusty condition...and i never did have a problem for two years....maybe i was lucky, but i doubt it......of course my pregrowing rituals are way different now and i do take every step against infection....now hydro is a different story of course.......not saying i have the answer to your problem, just saying you should prolly start with my solution first and see if it works before you go tinkering nute levels and ph levels.......and even worse shutting down your room to disinfect it when that maybe isnt even the problem!!!

 

[weed_snob]

Thanks for the inerest and responses.

mig- i could write pages and pages on the symptoms ive seen, the problems plague the plant like somekind of demented chamelon plant deamon. if i were to describe them all, if i could remeber them all, you would think i fed the plants pieces of my couch. but i will say that its mostly seems to be like blooming with out enough nitrogen where the plant just consumes itself to bud, oldest fan leaves first.

unkownone- I actually use the moonshine mix, which contains ocean forrest and pleanty of perlite. Also ive tried some generic miracle grow without results.

chosen-that seems like it could be, but the plant i gave to my buddy got better right away

enjoi skater- i check the ph with a simple titration(aqarium tester), no expensive meter, but i trust it. where did you hear organics NPK had to be completly balanced? I never read anything to that effect before, if that is true then that could be my problem, but i think you may have just misread something somewhere.

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update for anybody reading this thinking they might have bad room syndrome. yeah i dont have bad room syndrom after all(i think BRS is more limited to fesh paint and poorly burning water heaters), just bad grower syndrome and apparently two sepratly bought bad bags of fertilized soil. The plants are growing normally again and i feal like a giant idiot, also makes me wonder how many bad bags of soil are out there durring the winter months.

 

[mig]

hey man...i was just thinking...you said you used an epsom salt spray...i wonder if this damaged and dried out the leaf membrane causing your scorching. I know some treatments are not meant to be foliar-applied, but i dont know about epsom salt. It does contain calcium and magnesium which could alter the leaf membrane. just a thought i had while i was rereading this thread. I usually stick to guano sprays with mine and its been chill.

good things...mig