ASA Sues Los Angeles Over Dispensary Ordinance

[xfargox]

How come pharmacies can be profit-driven but marijuana, which is recognized by state law as being just as much a medicine as you get from pharmacies, cannot?

I know this is a 'growing pain' and it'll come to pass eventually, but I think it's a bit...ironic. Or woefully not ironic (aka completely expected).

 

[Hydro-Soil]

All laws restricting pot to adults are wrong. that is the bottom line.

Can we just get on with ENDING this Prohibition crap already? I'd like to quit smoking cannabis and take Cannapills, thanks. (You USED to be able to buy them off the shelf!)

Stay Safe!


p.s. Do NOT feed the BlueTroll(tm) (Can someone make a smiley of this?)

 

[Hydro-Soil]

How come pharmacies can be profit-driven but marijuana, which is recognized by state law as being just as much a medicine as you get from pharmacies, cannot?

I know this is a 'growing pain' and it'll come to pass eventually, but I think it's a bit...ironic. Or woefully not ironic (aka completely expected).

Big Pharma profits from killing people and selling them other pills to cure their pill-created ills. Crude, but pretty much accurate description. They make an INSANE amount of profit from killing poeple. Sure... the people are dying veeeery slowly and their productivity is only slightly messed up.... but it's still death.

Why are dispensaries that make a profit looked down on? Because the ethics and morals of our Bureaucratic Leaders are bankrupt and only insanity seems to be viewed with any acceptance.

F'n Insanity. Wow.


Stay Safe!

 

[Blue Dot]

that last statement is patently false. post pics of your moldy half asses scrimpy buds BD. you are about to see how hard it is to grow quality meds. have you been to any collectives that started growing their own? umm....yeah. there is a learning curve. good luck with that.

Laugh all you want but my day job is interior plants (legal ones that is).

As in homes, hotels, buisnesses. For the Last 20 years BTW. 5 years exterior landscape before that.

Johnny, here's a pop qiz.

You walk into a 20 million dollar home. Plants are scattered everywhere. You have at most 3 mins per plant to figure out what it needs and to deliver it (hydration, nute concentration, insect control, cleaning). Better plan ahead of time while mixing your nutes outside, remember each plant is different.

Go, and don't mess up else the detriment you cause to the plant will come back to haunt you because of the extra time you will have to deal with the problem.

Into the van, onto the next account, gotta love SoCal traffic.

Don't forget to stop by the Glacier machine to fill up your RO, after every stop.

Everyday, all day.

No mistakes either Johnny else it comes out of YOUR pay.

You kill a plant, YOU pay.

BTW Johnny, I'm not gonna pay you very much either to do this.

Bottom line, I could do your job (growing pot) ( have been on and off for 20 years on the side) but you CAN'T do My job.

Who should be paid more?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

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This message is hidden because Blue Dot is a clueless big pharma Schill and STILL on my ignore list!

You guys should put him there too.

Stay Safe!

 

[bterzz]

Laugh all you want but my day job is interior plants (legal ones that is).

As in homes, hotels, buisnesses. For the Last 20 years BTW. 5 years exterior landscape before that.

Johnny, here's a pop qiz.

You walk into a 20 million dollar home. Plants are scattered everywhere. You have at most 3 mins per plant to figure out what it needs and to deliver it (hydration, nute concentration, insect control, cleaning). Better plan ahead of time while mixing your nutes outside, remember each plant is different.

Go, and don't mess up else the detriment you cause to the plant will come back to haunt you because of the extra time you will have to deal with the problem.

Into the van, onto the next account, gotta love SoCal traffic.

Don't forget to stop by the Glacier machine to fill up your RO, after every stop.

Everyday, all day.

No mistakes either Johnny else it comes out of YOUR pay.

You kill a plant, YOU pay.

BTW Johnny, I'm not gonna pay you very much either to do this.

Bottom line, I could do your job (growing pot) ( have been on and off for 20 years on the side) but you CAN'T do My job.

Who should be paid more?

Why cant he do your job if you can do his?? Just because you learned to grow marijuana over the past 20 years doesn't mean he has not been doing the same with other indoor gardening...shit., he could be your co-worker!

I dont think it is about who should be paid more...if you got in when you could (growing quality medicine in california before the gold rush is over) (the gold rush will never end), then that is something YOU accomplished...GREAT JOB, you deserve EVERY penny you make!

Why do you see it any differently?
I thought there was a thread about this?? The market dictates the prices..

PS: TO answer your question, I think the MEDICAL POT grower should be PAID more then YOU as an indoor gardener..

Why? Because they're fucking helping sick people, not making rich peoples houses look decorated.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

But then you could charge whatever you wanted to based on that logic.

You could think in some fantasy land that your time SHOULD be worth $100/hr and therefore reflect that in the price of the meds.

The problem with that is it's an insult to all those who have worked hard and studied their whole life who really make $100/hr while all your doing is growing a plant, which a lot of people with no study and not very hard work can do.

i bill customers 100-300$ an hour for my computer work, highly specialized auto-dialer systems and SQL programing. sometimes i even charge a $500 'immediate response charge" with happily paying clients....
besides pot isnt only measured in man hours.

It's actually labor plus costs of goods.

Imagine how ridiculous it would sound to try and justify $60 1/8th just on labor alone when in reality it costs about $7 in labor to produce an 1/8 th of pot.

I mean you're not expecting to get paid the same labor wage as a doctor are you?

again $7 hour labor + hard costs, plant food, elec, light bulbs, etc.

that sounds reasonable. maybe for you.

Blue Dot - First of all the American middle class has been getting screwed for the last 40 years by the ever-increasing multi-national corporate control of our government. American workers have not seen a wage increase in that entire time and, in fact, our wages have decreased significantly in terms of buying power. In 1970 I was making minimum wage of $2.50/hour. If you translate that into today's dollars, minimum wage (and by that I mean the bottom of the economic ladder, not some arbitrary number assigned by a corrupt government) should be $25 - $30 per hour. Instead of railing against the high cost of mmj, you should be fighting against the corporate machine that is enslaving us.

But aside from that, your ego is so expansive, it boggles the mind. Where in the hell do you get off thinking that you have either the intellect or the authority to tell the rest of the word what their wages should be for their particular job. I've got news for you, chump, $100/ hour isn't squat! It's $200,000/year which, while a decent salary that any good plumber should easily pull down, is far from the road to excessive wealth. You seem to value education, perhaps you should leave economic commentary to those who have a better understanding of it than you do.

BTW - I make $150/hour twisting pipes together - it doesn't take a lot of brains, just a lot of muscle. When I teach at the university, I make $60/hour for teaching time, which works out to about $40/hour for actual hours worked. (If I was full-time it'd be a lot more, especially with benefits, but I only teach part-time so...) When I do plumbing or electrical work, my helper, whose main qualifications are using a drill or shovel and following orders, makes $20/hour.

Your contention that some adult should settle for $7/hour is simply absurd. It shows that you have absolutely no contact with the reality of what an adult can/should make.

Regardless of that, there's a difference between a wage earner and a person who takes a risk to make either a profit or loss. If I'm growing a crop and it gets infested with spider mites in the last week and I have to dump the whole crop, who's going to pay my wages and my expenses? Will I get paid even if I fail? I don't think so, and that's where the whole risk/reward thing enters into the economics. If you are truly too stupid to understand how the person who takes risks deserves a larger reward than someone like say, you, whose biggest daily challenge is remembering the answer to, "Paper or plastic?", then perhaps you shouldn't comment on the subject.

You do realize, don't you, that when you start spouting your $7/hour mantra you sound like a fifteen-year-old with his/her first job? Really, you have no idea how stupid, immature and out of touch with reality you sound with your silliness about wages.

PC

wow....hahaha...

because by blue dots logic....$7 per 8th = $898 per pound, which is fucking ridiculous



im guessing blue dot is either a freshman living off mommy ++ daddys tit studying some bullshit holier than thou business morals class at some over priced university for under educated spoiled rich kids...


-or-

he some old ass angry disabled prick living on SSI who hates the world and lives off the goverments tit and absorbing all the free benefits that goes along with it. meals and wheels the whole deal and has lost all sense of reality

either way blue dot your a fucking prick living in a delusional world...

$2200 rent x3 for one crop, check.
$25000 in equipment, check.
$3000 in plant food, check.
plants, check.
$1000 living requirements for 1 x3 months, check.

37,600 spent.
9 pounds harvested
sold @ 4k/lb =36,000 gained.


im assuming blue dot wants us to not be buying new equip every run...

$2200 rent x3 for one crop, check.
$2000 in equipment, check.
$3000 in plant food, check.
plants, check.
$1000 living requirements for 1 x3 months, check.
12,600 spent before im allowed to coolect a dime. and he says im only allowed what 900$ a pound?...x 9 pounds....8100....devided by 3 months cropping time(arguable) =2700 a month income(<-- %100 spendable).
not too bad actualy.

but market sets the price, not 'what you think is right'

what about a 6 month security 'buffer'(extra cash)
health insurance?
popo fund?

you must be high when typing this shit, maybe for your 400G under ur 400 u charge $7 a gram thats still only 2800 per crop.

you must enjoy watering plants. and being broke.

Laugh all you want but my day job is interior plants (legal ones that is).

As in homes, hotels, buisnesses. For the Last 20 years BTW. 5 years exterior landscape before that.

Johnny, here's a pop qiz.

You walk into a 20 million dollar home. Plants are scattered everywhere. You have at most 3 mins per plant to figure out what it needs and to deliver it (hydration, nute concentration, insect control, cleaning). Better plan ahead of time while mixing your nutes outside, remember each plant is different.

Go, and don't mess up else the detriment you cause to the plant will come back to haunt you because of the extra time you will have to deal with the problem.

Into the van, onto the next account, gotta love SoCal traffic.

Don't forget to stop by the Glacier machine to fill up your RO, after every stop.

Everyday, all day.

No mistakes either Johnny else it comes out of YOUR pay.

You kill a plant, YOU pay.

BTW Johnny, I'm not gonna pay you very much either to do this.

Bottom line, I could do your job (growing pot) ( have been on and off for 20 years on the side) but you CAN'T do My job.

Who should be paid more?

ive seen you guys water the $400 fishtail palms @ my clients office... better not over fert! thats alot of $7 grams to replace it!!!
on the real though, definately a thankless job.

the illigal immigrants usualy try to cut my grass for me, oftin, funny enough, chargeing less then the 1/2 gallon of gas i use to cut the lawn, thats not what mmj is going to be like....

 

[Blue Dot]

again $7 hour labor + hard costs, plant food, elec, light bulbs, etc.

that sounds reasonable. maybe for you.

I think i was misunderstood. I meant for every 1/8 th it takes about $7 dollars in labor, ie $14/ 1/4, $28 1/2, $56/oz in labor.

I didn't mean growers should be paid $7/hr for all the pot they grow.

 

[kmk420kali]

Laugh all you want but my day job is interior plants (legal ones that is).

As in homes, hotels, buisnesses. For the Last 20 years BTW. 5 years exterior landscape before that.

Johnny, here's a pop qiz.

You walk into a 20 million dollar home. Plants are scattered everywhere. You have at most 3 mins per plant to figure out what it needs and to deliver it (hydration, nute concentration, insect control, cleaning). Better plan ahead of time while mixing your nutes outside, remember each plant is different.

Go, and don't mess up else the detriment you cause to the plant will come back to haunt you because of the extra time you will have to deal with the problem.

Into the van, onto the next account, gotta love SoCal traffic.

Don't forget to stop by the Glacier machine to fill up your RO, after every stop.

Everyday, all day.

No mistakes either Johnny else it comes out of YOUR pay.

You kill a plant, YOU pay.

BTW Johnny, I'm not gonna pay you very much either to do this.

Bottom line, I could do your job (growing pot) ( have been on and off for 20 years on the side) but you CAN'T do My job.

Who should be paid more?

With 20 years of experience in any field, you should be figuring out how to make that (elusive, to you) $100/hr--
No wonder you are so bitter against ppl making real $$....you need to work on your Pay-Negotiation Skills--

 

[kmk420kali]

I think i was misunderstood. I meant for every 1/8 th it takes about $7 dollars in labor, ie $14/ 1/4, $28 1/2, $56/oz in labor.

I didn't mean growers should be paid $7/hr for all the pot they grow.

How do you come up with that number??

 

[resinryder]

It's socialist economics. I'll be glad when his neighbors finds out how to make his internet connection secure. With the price of connections being what they are we won't hear from him again when he has to start paying for his own.

 

[Pythagllio]

Gosh BD, you know you could charge much less for the same work if you started your own little company, but still give yourself a raise. Just because your boss is paying you less than minimum wage doesn't mean he isn't billing your labor @ $30/hr. If you charged 15, you could steal all those clients, make more money for yourself, and stick it to the man, all at the same time. Oh wait, then you would be the man...I see the problem. Never mind.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

i bill customers 100-300$ an hour for my computer work, highly specialized auto-dialer systems and SQL programing. sometimes i even charge a $500 'immediate response charge" with happily paying clients....
besides pot isnt only measured in man hours.



again $7 hour labor + hard costs, plant food, elec, light bulbs, etc.

that sounds reasonable. maybe for you.

wow....hahaha...



$2200 rent x3 for one crop, check.
$25000 in equipment, check.
$3000 in plant food, check.
plants, check.
$1000 living requirements for 1 x3 months, check.

37,600 spent.
9 pounds harvested
sold @ 4k/lb =36,000 gained.


im assuming blue dot wants us to not be buying new equip every run...

$2200 rent x3 for one crop, check.
$2000 in equipment, check.
$3000 in plant food, check.
plants, check.
$1000 living requirements for 1 x3 months, check.
12,600 spent before im allowed to coolect a dime. and he says im only allowed what 900$ a pound?...x 9 pounds....8100....devided by 3 months cropping time(arguable) =2700 a month income(<-- %100 spendable).
not too bad actualy.

you forgot to factor in electiricty bills. and i dont know about yal, but growing indoors in southern california is NOT cheap. i was paying about 250 per month per 1k. so factor in another 2.5k a month just for electricity.

 

[Blue Dot]

$2200 rent x3 for one crop, check.
$25000 in equipment, check.
$3000 in plant food, check.
plants, check.
$1000 living requirements for 1 x3 months, check.
....

If you are living at the same place you grow then rent and living expenses are not covered.

The IRS will only allow you a deduction for "exclusive area" meaning only the sq footage of the grow space.

The MBR, LR, Kitchen, garage are not deductible as an income expsense AND are therefore not allowed to be included as a "cost" to produce the meds.

In other words, you can't double dip.

BTW,

$3000 in plant food, check.

BWAHAHA. Care to explain? That's a LOT of FloraNova. lol

 

[SoCoMMJ]

The IRS will only allow you a deduction for "exclusive area" meaning only the sq footage of the grow space.

No they won't.

Although you have to pay taxes on the income, since marijuana is illegal federally you can not deduct expenses directly related to growing.

 

[Blue Dot]

No they won't.

Although you have to pay taxes on the income, since marijuana is illegal federally you can not deduct expenses directly related to growing.

Yeah, my point was it's not IRS deductible in principle so it wouldn't be allowed to be added into the cost of the meds even if it was deductible just on the principle alone.

 

[kmk420kali]

If you are living at the same place you grow then rent and living expenses are not covered.

The IRS will only allow you a deduction for "exclusive area" meaning only the sq footage of the grow space.

The MBR, LR, Kitchen, garage are not deductible as an income expsense AND are therefore not allowed to be included as a "cost" to produce the meds.

In other words, you can't double dip.

BTW,

So if I am growing full time...how do I pay my rent/mortgage ??

 

[Blue Dot]

So if I am growing full time...how do I pay my rent/mortgage ??

Where does it say in the law you are allowed to grow full time and live at the grow site and be reimbursed for living expenses?

Living expenses aren't a cost of producing meds because you would have otherwise had to pay them regardless just by living there.

Patients supply the collectives with their surplus that is grown in their homes. They are allowed to be re-imbursed for the excess only.

Collectives (Storefronts) grow on site but don't live there.

There is no full time growing/living provison in the law.

That's why the whole "delivery service collective" model is completely bogus/ a farce.

 

[Parallel]

I've only ever called one person "Certified Ballbag" once on ICMag in 3 years. Make that twice now Bluedot, 'cause that's what you are. You both deserved it.

The only explanation as to why you would think the way that you do.....I think...... You've obviously not ever had to pay your own living expenses. Be that because you're some smart ass 17yo or if you're an adult living off the tit of something (parents, relatives,govern.) I think that I'm pretty close to the mark here......

Mortgage - Maintenance, State Taxes and Levies. Local Coucil rates

Car Payment (more often 2) - Registration costs - insurance - servicing - Automobile association

Health Insurance - medicine, gaps etc.

Life insurance

Home contents insurance

Groceries

Internet

Cable TV or Subscription TV - maybe a luxury for me...ooooh...

Replacement costs when electrical items break (tv, aircon, microwave)

Plus lots and lots more. This is something you know nothing of obviously. Pfft.... It's insulting.

 

[Blue Dot]

I've only ever called one person "Certified Ballbag" once on ICMag in 3 years. Make that twice now Bluedot, 'cause that's what you are. You both deserved it.

The only explanation as to why you would think the way that you do.....I think...... You've obviously not ever had to pay your own living expenses. Be that because you're some smart ass 17yo or if you're an adult living off the tit of something (parents, relatives,govern.) I think that I'm pretty close to the mark here......

I'm 40+, own my own business and have lived on my own since I was 18.

You were pretty close. lol