Are there differences between Afghani's and Pakistani's

[Oregonism]

First this is more than just is it a name?

This is a tad deeper I hope, a third geographical element is Hindu Kush and possibly [India].

The actual Hindu Kush mountains.....are mainly in Afghanistan and Pakistan ending in Tajikistan and China, near India or disputed parts.

It seems when someone is describing Afghani or Hindu Kush cultivars, that neither is referencing each other, which seems strange.
Stranger is it seems like a lot of Indian strains are refered to under the Hindu Kush label. This is in a deceptive manner it seems, just by the name, Hindu, in it.

Add to this Central Asian strains from the Stans' centered around, lets say east of the Caspian Sea, these places are said to be the origin of the soapy, perfumey like type of strains that seem to be passed off as Afghani just because of WLD structure, but totally differenct terp profiles. I have read this anecdotally time and time again throughout forums and even heard Bodhi mention this [not that it matters....]

Phenotypically it seems hindu's are know for shapes like Urkel or OG type structures. Almost like mini me squat like Indica's or what would pass as Afghani structure, WLD, but with node spacing much more reminiscent of the NLD type.

I see Mendo Purps and Purple Indica, UV, some call it a Black Afghan and to me it seems reminscent of Paki strains but not phenotypically a Hindu Kush type like plant.


I probably need more of an outline, but my brain stopped, so I will to at the moment, thoughts?

 

[LostTribe]

Between Afgh and paki's there is a lot of difference. Afghans are from a region of great difference from the Hindu Kush (mountains) even so within the area of Balk there is a great deal of variety. Search the RSC thread there is a great deal there.

 

[WelderDan]

"Afghani" is really a catch all phrase for WLD cultivars from the Afghan region. There are many, and they can vary widely from one valley to the next, as well at different elevations within the same general area. There are semi dwarf varieties, short squat varieties, lanky, thinner leafed and so forth. Same goes for the whole Hindu Kush region including India and Pakistan. It's a huge area with varying climates and traditions.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I could not write it better than WelderDan.. I would also add that they also make hybrids there and always did. so those 3 meters mazar-i-shariff plants are hybrid of dwarf hashplant from Nouristan, with those tall narrow leafers which come from areas with monsoon period.. as far as genes its all one area with many micro climates, Pakistan/Afghanistan its just political border. cheers.

 

[harvestreaper]

rsc chitrali ,,paki

rsc mazar,,afghan
guerilla grown uk

 

[MAHA KALA]

cross of two paki lines by Roms, tom hill X18 x mriko´s yarkhun

 

[browntrout]

As MAHA KALA said just political borders, however... speaking of available IBL's/selections.

In my experience the Afghans range from super squat broadleafs to large framed medium/thin leaf. In most afghan lines I've seen, generally they have been devoid of fruity smells and commonly have subtle deep spice/earthy/coffee and sometimes lemon smells

Where as in the Pakis the fruit smells have been in most lines sometimes dark berry, apple, overripe fruit, pepper, acidic etc. The Pakis tend to have smaller flower formation and some healthy stretch with very compact fan leaves in later stages, I have not seen much deviation from this generalization in current available seed but I am sure there is more wild "sativa" dominant genes from paki lines and everything in between. I have seen many pole plants with short stubby branching as well as wide xmas tree shape and a towering single cola with large fans and very long petioles, I refer to this commonly as a hashplant structure.

When talking of PCK and DC the lines are extremely worked but can show an extreme expression of known/currently found lines.

PCK x DC/??? females from years ago. (Yes i have worked with other lines)

 

[GOT_BUD?]

"Afghani" is really a catch all phrase for WLD cultivars from the Afghan region. There are many, and they can vary widely from one valley to the next, as well at different elevations within the same general area. There are semi dwarf varieties, short squat varieties, lanky, thinner leafed and so forth. Same goes for the whole Hindu Kush region including India and Pakistan. It's a huge area with varying climates and traditions.

This. The micro climate plays a much bigger role than people realize.

Case in point - there is one valley out in northern California that has produced 5 Emerald Cup winning strains.

Clones of those strains one valley over don't produce the same quality that that particular valley does. The flowers are just a little less dense; the trich coverage is probably 3% - 5% less; the flavors are slightly different, not as pronounced.

I heard about it in a podcast with one of the breeders who lives in this valley of cup winners.

Not to mention the world of wine where this plays a huge role in how grapes are grown.

 

[willydread]

I am not a good expert with afghani/pakistan genetics, but I agree with the above, the whole region is a series of microclimates and their respective populations, often divided by geography or tribal divisions ... there are also genetics introduced by drug traffickers...
Here two different phenotypes of Afghans gathered around Kabul, you could say that they are two totally different strains, I guess the differences are even greater between Kabul and jalalabad (random names)...

 

[harvestreaper]

looks very typically sativa that second one,,, interesting