Are The Seeds That Come From Hermis Viable?

[jessethestoner]

so recently i was able to get some good outdoor weed that had about seven usable seeds and five doubtfuls. And i was wondering, i want to grow both males and females to get lots of seeds for later use and if i'm i a situation where i have only females is there a way for me to hermi them and try to get other females or the hermi themselves pregnant?? i understand different stress factors can cause some strains to hermi but what i don't know is will those seeds be viable and possibly grow healthy potent plants so i can hope to try for guys and gals next time?

and i know you cant say with much accuracy but how many seeds do females and herms have respectively?

 

[supermanlives]

yes they will grow. but the hermie trait might be passed on. so you prob will get some herms and some not

 

[jessethestoner]

so the hermie trait i force from stress can appear in it's descendants even if the seeds are grown relatively stress free?

 

[Baba Ku]

The hermie, or "intersex" gene is something that is etched in to the genetic code of the plant. When a plant is mated with another plant, the genes of both parents will mix up and recombine to from the genetic map of the new seeds.

They are what they are and nothing can change the genetic maps of each individual seeds. However, a plant that comes from seed that carrys the intersex gene in dominance can be triggered into showing or "expressing" the trait that it holds. Another sibling seed may not have gotten the gene so heavy and it may take lots of stress to make it express the intersex gene.

Dad has red hair, but only one of the three brothers ended up with red hair.
Make sense?

 

[jessethestoner]

yes i think, so i'm only making the plant express itself in a intersex way if it already has the genetic trait and it would already pass the trait back down if i made seeds with a male and female (f1s?) so i wouldn't have to worry any more than usual of intersex plants? thank you for your help

 

[Baba Ku]

To put it simply, hermie begets hermie. If one of the parents hermies with some stress, or very little stress, it will more than likely pass on that trait to it's progeny. If both parents show hermie, then the chances are greatly expanded to see hermie in the progeny.
If neither parent shows hermie, it is a good bet that not many of their children will either.

Now, just because your seeds came from a plant that hermied does not mean that all the resulting seeds will also show hermie easy. Some will, some won't...its a crap shoot.
How did your plants hermie? Was there a reason for it or did they just throw nanners during a regular grow?

 

[someotherguy]

here man, here is the answer to ALL your questions, lol

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...and have fun!

peace, SOG

 

[messn'n'gommin']

This is purely anecdotal, but a couple of years ago I had a bagseed female throw pollen sacks and I grew them out for the "feminized" seed. With an eye towards how easily they hermi'ed, I stressed them no end for the next few grows and fortunately they only seem to hermi when grown for more than nine weeks (coincidentally that is when the trich's are about 10% amber!). But, that is only with the seeds from that particular plant. As Baba Ku said, it's a crap shoot.

 

[someotherguy]

so recently i was able to get some good outdoor weed that had about seven usable seeds and five doubtfuls. And i was wondering, i want to grow both males and females to get lots of seeds for later use and if i'm i a situation where i have only females is there a way for me to hermi them and try to get other females or the hermi themselves pregnant?? i understand different stress factors can cause some strains to hermi but what i don't know is will those seeds be viable and possibly grow healthy potent plants so i can hope to try for guys and gals next time?

and i know you cant say with much accuracy but how many seeds do females and herms have respectively?

high man, i just wanted to say that that link i posted above is to PhenoMenal's excellent thread where he teach's how to force any of your favorite females to turn male and grow banana's for femminized seed production.

that thread has been going strong now for more than 2 years and there are many members here who've learned to make their own femmed beans from that thread so i'd recommend you check it out.

anyway, good luck, SOG

 

[jessethestoner]

no the seeds i have aren't planted yet i'm just wondering because i'm going to go outdoor this spring and i was wondering if i should plant these seeds i altogether in a seperate patch so i can make seeds from them, ideally a male + female but, hermie+ female, etc. might have to do.
Or i'll spread them amongst my new afghans to make a cross but that's plan b

 

[someotherguy]

in answer to the question posed in the title of this thread, 'Are the seeds that come from hermis viable?',
yes, they are often viable while also being undesirable.

your question is too simple because making seeds with hermaphroditic genes is a bad idea that will invariably result in progeny which will carry the hermi trait.

which is why i pointed you to a thread on a method to do as you suggest without breeding for hermi's.

anyway, just trying to help out bro, SOG

 

[Arthur Dent.]

The plants that end up being only female keep, breed with them until you have bred the gene almost out, but in my understanding, Hermie Gene is like cancer, stimulus forces it to show its little ugly face.

As if you are prone to cancer but never smoke cigarettes or eat anything to call it up 90% of the time your fine,but depending purely on how strong the gene is in the person.

Mendels law teaches us to isolate a specific trait and work it in or out of the family tree.

you follow this law directly and you can produce whatever you want?

Namaste

 

[Baba Ku]

Pretty good analogy, Art.

Always keep in mind that we are dealing with nature, and as such there is always that unknown factor that hoses any and all "laws" that have been established by man. That unknown is the fact that mutation can occur spontaneously and at random without any apparent stimulus or causation.

But yes, keeping within the accepted standards will steer us in the best direction.