Anyway to store clones long-term?

[thegrower]

Say i have a female plant i would like to keep some clones from but i dont want them to get real big or anything, if possible i dont want to have to keep them under a light... Is there anyway to freeze clones to use later? Or perhaps put them under a weak cfl with confined rootspace to keep the height like 3-4"?

I just want to have some in case i decide to start up again down the road... and im not looking to have to constantly maintain them..

ideas?

 

[linksys]

take a look at this... http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919&highlight=mum

 

[Guest]

freezing won't work with clones but i have kept cuttings in a fridge for almost two weeks before.
if you want to keep em small you could try cloning the clones and continue that process until you are ready to go again.

 

[Guest]

Just use a 4 ft 2 lamp floro and when she gets too big,pull a cutting from near the bottom zero pistils if possible,thats the only way I know to keep a pheno around any length of time.

 

[mtnjohn]

zero pistils if possible

zero pistils ???...on a cutting?.........IME that aint got nothin to do with anything......on my best rooting strain, you'd be hard pressed to get a cut
with no pistils


but..anyway , fresh cuts will last awhile in your fridge..put them stem down in a tall cup with a little water ...bout 1/2-1" .....then cover with some celophane wrap....they should last at the very least 3 weeks..maybe longer

mj

 

[Guest]

Well my friend it means everything to me,I've kept my blockhead pheno now for close to 3 years on a perpetual basis only because I took all cuttings before 12/12 and they were pistilless cuts.My experience with cuts that have been taken after 12/12 or are "pistilly"?Vegging clones full of pistils and sometimes non-serrated single and 3 bladed fans.I've tried perpetual grows before,taking cuts after "the change" that occurs during 12/12,or from a mother plant that has vegged until preflowers are evident,the results were less than acceptable to say the least.There are reasons you want to use good "veg" cuts as free from p[istils as possible when doing perpetual grows,Thank you so much Str8jacket...

 

[mtnjohn]

i get just about 100%....pistils or not...but yes i would advise taking cuts that are in veg.....not in flower

.....if i had to take cuts that didnt have pistills..just to get em to root
...well..i wouldnt have hardly any cuttings at all

 

[Guest]

O I didnt mention bro this has zero to do with rooting the cut,it has to do with long term viability of the pheno,I hope some of what I said made sense.You can flowwer a cut with pistils just fine,the results should be basically the same as if it were a good "veg" cut with zero pistils.But then take a cut from it before going to flower it,then veg it out and take a cut from it and so on.You will see then where I am getting at,it normally turns into an ugly picture lol."Retarded" vegging plants is what I like to refer to them as because they have mutated into pistilly non serrated funky-fanned misfits.This can all be so easily avoided by taking cuts before 12/12 starting with the original seedplant.I'm going to flower 8 blockhead today after I take cuts,the pheno is about 3 years old they are 30 inches high recently transplanted from 2 to 3 gallon pots and there are very few visable pistils on them,just the way I like to see it.When I take cuts today from near the bottom of these plants,I dont expect to see any preflowers on them period.I've tried perpetual grows the other way man,I hope/wish I can impress on people how important it is to take you cuts before 12/12 if p[l;anning a perpetual grow.Its absolutely mandatory.Jorge Cervantes says the best time to take cuts is a couple weeks into 12/12,well I'm telling you if you plan on growing perpetually the way I do this info is just plain incorrect.Take what you read from people on this subject with a grain of salt another words,always do it for yourself.Again all I can say is thank you Str8jacket from OG for setting me straight on this subject years ago,man has this one thing made a difference in my perpetual grows

 

[mtnjohn]

hey BM..if it works for ya, then it's all good

me ..i've been taking cuts from my apollo 11 for 3 yrs as well
i take any cuts...ones with pistils mainly...and the plant has been cloned and cloned
many many times..i'm probably on my 5th or 6th mother from this one plant.
cuts were always taken in veg 24/7 lighting

the plants that i grow from these cuttings are at least as good as the first time i ever grew it...actually , they are better..cuz i have the bitch dialed

i still dont quite understand what your saying...
mj

 

[Guest]

Well maybe its more strain dependent than I thought,I know I lost two good pheno's when I first started out but that was more from taking cuts after 12/12 than taking cuts with preflowers maybe.Cuts with too many preflowers always vegged without nearly the intensity of a good "veg" cut mainly I thnk because the damn thing was too busy making preflowers and not making good veg growth.I also experienced the funky non-serrated single and 3 bladed fans and such,this would usually occur after a few cycles.I dont know bro preflowering clones thrown into veg just dont seem to fare near as well as good "veg" cuts,free of preflowers.Like I said man it could be more strain dependednt than I think though,I'll just stay with trying to take cuts that arent preflowering because this is what has worked in my case,the other doesn't.It just occurred to me vegging time could play a big part in this,if you are doing a sog with 1 week of vegtime,preflowers probably wouldnt be an issue.Being I grow in soil I veg my clones several weeks before flowering them,all that time with a preflowering clone thrown into a veg photocycle has given me bad results.Hope this made a little more sense to you man because its made the difference with me.

 

[mtnjohn]

i think it may be the strain your growing..the blockhead

i run multiple strains and have at least 3 mother plants of different strains at any given time

and have never had a problem with loss of vigor or potency
like i said my stuff seems to just get better...as i learn the plant
mj

i would like to hear more about this subject

 

[Guest]

How long are you vegging your cuts for?Like I said I veg mine several weeks and instead of the plant putting out preflowers,I want lush veg growth.If your vegging 1 week I can see why you wouldnt get what I'm saying,if you're vegging 4 weeks or so with preflowering cuts do a comparison.You can find a cut with zero pistils I'm sure.Put this up against a preflowering cut and veg them both 4 weeks and look at the results,if you dont have a much more lush plant from the "
veg" cut then yes blockhead is the culprit.I dont think so man,like I said I degraded a couple pheno's vegging preflowering cuts,I thought they looked OK too now that I think about it.Str8jacket got me to do a side by side similar to what I described above and the difference after 4 weeks of 18/6 were totally visual,1 plant was pistilly,not bad but just not a lot of lush growth.The "veg" cut however was lush green and chock fulla nodes with almost zero preflowers,the difference astounded me at the time.Again,thanks to the man!

 

[mtnjohn]

the first pic is at the induction of my plants into my cab

day 1 veg.....under the 150hps.( first i must say..that my cuts are from vegging moms...they are taken when my flower plants are 3.5-4 weeks in..so they root and veg for a short time under flouros)




this pic is after one week of veg....serious leafy green growth


mj

 

[Guest]

There ya go you cant argue with results,my workdays about to start now lol

 

[thegrower]

hey guys thanks for the great replies... im talkin LOONNGGG term storage [like a year or so? maybe more?] seems like the best / most fun way to achieve this is to create a bonsai mother.. would you agree?

I would just keep the mother under a 100w CFL. I read the bonsai mother article but it still seems like the mothers in that post get kind big... i would like to keep mother in a 4"x4"x8" pot and keep the height < 6-12".. is this possible? The mothers in the article appear to be like 2' tall!

Im just trying to keep a mother around so next go round i dont have to start from seed again and do this whole "sexing" and "pulling males" bit again...

 

[Creeptic]

hey guys thanks for the great replies... im talkin LOONNGGG term storage [like a year or so? maybe more?] seems like the best / most fun way to achieve this is to create a bonsai mother.. would you agree?

I would just keep the mother under a 100w CFL. I read the bonsai mother article but it still seems like the mothers in that post get kind big... i would like to keep mother in a 4"x4"x8" pot and keep the height < 6-12".. is this possible? The mothers in the article appear to be like 2' tall!

Im just trying to keep a mother around so next go round i dont have to start from seed again and do this whole "sexing" and "pulling males" bit again...

its possible... i have 2 mothers right now that are about 8 months old that are about 10" tall... i let them get a little bigger when im going to take cuttings... but basically just follow the steps in the bonsai thread and you will be fine... if i would of trained them a little better im sure i could of kept them even shorter... you basically just need to keep enough growth on them to keep them alive... and let them bush out when you want to take cuttings... worse comes to worse... if they get too big, root a cutting and make that your new mom

 

[thegrower]

cool i think im gonna try this- i took cuttings of the 6 veggings plants last night and put them in a seperate box on a 10/14 light schedule... hopefully they will show sex soon [parent plants are pretty old] soon as i know which are the fems ill take another round of cuttings to use as moms before putting the parents into flower