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Anyone using the water cooled hydrogen CO2 generator?
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milehighco
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I'm running a natural gas Hydrogen with DW valve. having problems. extreme condensation. unit won't stay on. cycles and pilot light blows out. hope to get tech support help. they did respond to email I sent. they asked for direct # to call to help. will see if I hear from them Tuesday???
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yamaha_1fan
I am about to install one with an ice box to cool the water, and a 250 gallon rez
http://www.horticulturesource.com/product_info.php?products_id=5216
check out the video on that page
im sold!
check out the video on that page
im sold!
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sparkjumper
Its pretty cool but the burner they used for comparison might as well have been three morons holding bic lighters lol.I have a CD-6 with a single burner. and it only needs a couple minutes to bring my 8 by 8 to 1500PPM.They should have at least used a CD-3 for comparison.Not sure what that was maybe a CD-0 lol?It is definately cool but I dont like the rez its taking up plant space.I think too big a deal is made of propane burners in relation to heat.Mine is mounted about 7 ft up my wall,well above the reflectors.Plus you want around 85F to flower at 1500PPM anyway.I have no problems but if people do I can see where it would be a good thing.I still cant get over that burner though haha
only $400!!!????!!!!
12k-36k btu.......
I've been looking at getting a CO2 setup, and thought these watercooled models were super expensive so didn't even look at one...............but now I'm thinking this could happen sooner than planned
Thanks for the link LilWayne!
12k-36k btu.......
I've been looking at getting a CO2 setup, and thought these watercooled models were super expensive so didn't even look at one...............but now I'm thinking this could happen sooner than planned
Thanks for the link LilWayne!
Also be sure to check out...
http://www.horticulturesource.com/product_info.php?products_id=5291
HydroGEN Water-cooled CO2 Generator Optional Water Valve
http://www.horticulturesource.com/product_info.php?products_id=5291
HydroGEN Water-cooled CO2 Generator Optional Water Valve
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sparkjumper
Just be sure whatever you decide to get a controller and I dont mean a cyclestat,don't waste your time like me.A cyclestat controls the frequency and duration of burn based on cu. ft room size.Fuckin worthless piece of caca
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sparkjumper
You lost me on the radiator bro
Bozo
Active member
I use the same model on demand hot water heater .It is exactly the same as the Hydrogen minus the 02 depletion sensor.I got mine from ebay $189 delivered .I use Hydroinovations water valve and a chhc-1 to control it works great.The unit does condensate alittle but not that big a deal.
I built a heat exchanger for the exhaust from a ford heater core becuase the exhaust was kinda hot .It cools the exhaust to below room temp now.
HydroInovations is making a exhaust heat exchanger I dont know if it is ready for the public yet.
These units kick ass CO2 with zero heat added to room when set up with exhaust cooler.Not nearly as good without exhaust cooler .
I built a heat exchanger for the exhaust from a ford heater core becuase the exhaust was kinda hot .It cools the exhaust to below room temp now.
HydroInovations is making a exhaust heat exchanger I dont know if it is ready for the public yet.
These units kick ass CO2 with zero heat added to room when set up with exhaust cooler.Not nearly as good without exhaust cooler .
Bozo
Active member
I didnt know they made a NG model you have a link so I can look at it?
There is no pilot light to blow out ,but if you have a fan blowwing too hard in the direction of the unit you may have trouble with it blowwing out .They cover the wind issue in there dirrections
I think you will find if you move your circulation fans around you will be able to keep it lit .
As far as condensation goes when hot meets cold its gonna happen a small drip pan under unit will catch it .Hope you figure it out there really a great unit when working properly
Couple more pics
Bozo
Active member
Tks Wayne . I can say with without reservations after a full run with this unit its a winner.Just make sure you know the water requirements and can meet them .
I'm courious how well do the $700 air cooled burners work?Cause the way you see my set up there is zero heat and the cooler you see blows co2 enriched air that is about 60 degrees cooling my room down not heating it up.I dout an aircooled burner will be able to match that .
I'm courious how well do the $700 air cooled burners work?Cause the way you see my set up there is zero heat and the cooler you see blows co2 enriched air that is about 60 degrees cooling my room down not heating it up.I dout an aircooled burner will be able to match that .
Bozo
Active member
Yes I can .I will take a few pics tonight when lights come on for ya ,and i can answer any questions you have ..I DTW my water ,I pay flat rate water bill .So my experience will be just that I have no experience with chillers and res.
The bottom hose you see on cooler is the cold water feed ,cold water comes in room to water soleniod valve ,goes through bottom hose in cooler and out top hose in cooler to the water inlet in hyrdogen then out outlet on hydrogen and into drain .
Water supply>soleniod valve>inlet on cooler>outlet on cooler>inlet on hydrogen>outlet on hydrogen
Water soleniod valve plugs into CHHC-1
The bottom hose you see on cooler is the cold water feed ,cold water comes in room to water soleniod valve ,goes through bottom hose in cooler and out top hose in cooler to the water inlet in hyrdogen then out outlet on hydrogen and into drain .
Water supply>soleniod valve>inlet on cooler>outlet on cooler>inlet on hydrogen>outlet on hydrogen
Water soleniod valve plugs into CHHC-1
Cotyledons
Member
Hi guy's,
Wanted to explain something about the HydroGEN video demo.
The reason that the HydroGEN is compared to the smallest generator available (3k btu) is because it is the only model that is comparable in price, and in fact that small burner is $50 more expensive than the HydroGEN. So Hydro Innovations was comparing dollars to dollars.
If you are having condensation problems there are a couple of things you can do.
First remove the front cover of the unit with the 4 screws, 2 on top and 2 on bottom and you will need to pull the knobs off. There is a short section of copper tubing that is directly above the battery compartment, this is where 90% of the condensation is coming from. This short section of pipe can be insulated several different ways and will greatly reduce the problem. There is foil backed pipe insulation tape at most builders supply or rubber a/c tubing insulation works the best. Probably want to use some small zip ties to secure nice and tight.
Second suggestion is, while the front cover is removed, put a little silicone on the few holes that are located at the top of the battery compartment. This will keep it from corroding your batteries and the connections and extend the life of the unit.
The last suggestion is to install a 6" Ice Box inline in the incoming water line just before it enters the HydroGEN, which should be inside the grow room. You should attach an inline fan that can be turned on and off with the HydroGEN. When the water flows and the fan is on it will actually add some a/c to your room and at the same time it will warm the water slightly before it enters the HydroGEN, cutting back or eliminating the condensation. If the water temperature is below the dew point there will be condensation, and unfortunately most grow rooms have high humidity which greatly raises the dew point making it more of an issue.
The manufacturer has already made the first two changes to the new units.
Wanted to explain something about the HydroGEN video demo.
The reason that the HydroGEN is compared to the smallest generator available (3k btu) is because it is the only model that is comparable in price, and in fact that small burner is $50 more expensive than the HydroGEN. So Hydro Innovations was comparing dollars to dollars.
If you are having condensation problems there are a couple of things you can do.
First remove the front cover of the unit with the 4 screws, 2 on top and 2 on bottom and you will need to pull the knobs off. There is a short section of copper tubing that is directly above the battery compartment, this is where 90% of the condensation is coming from. This short section of pipe can be insulated several different ways and will greatly reduce the problem. There is foil backed pipe insulation tape at most builders supply or rubber a/c tubing insulation works the best. Probably want to use some small zip ties to secure nice and tight.
Second suggestion is, while the front cover is removed, put a little silicone on the few holes that are located at the top of the battery compartment. This will keep it from corroding your batteries and the connections and extend the life of the unit.
The last suggestion is to install a 6" Ice Box inline in the incoming water line just before it enters the HydroGEN, which should be inside the grow room. You should attach an inline fan that can be turned on and off with the HydroGEN. When the water flows and the fan is on it will actually add some a/c to your room and at the same time it will warm the water slightly before it enters the HydroGEN, cutting back or eliminating the condensation. If the water temperature is below the dew point there will be condensation, and unfortunately most grow rooms have high humidity which greatly raises the dew point making it more of an issue.
The manufacturer has already made the first two changes to the new units.
Bozo
Active member
Glad you fellas @ Hydroinovations are still evolving your products .It shows you care about the details and listen to customer feedback.
My experience in a room thats 85 degrees 45% humidity with 50 degree water running through the lines feeding the burner, is a rain forest of condensation.Mostly on the lines that run across my ceiling (warmest spot)I had to insulate all the lines and the exhaust cooler as well.My ventilation system condensates worse than anything in winter,every inch of my ducting before my first light needs insulated including the 6 inch vortex fan.The foil faced foam insulation Cotyledons suggested works great in the fan housing and my exhaust cooler.
My experience in a room thats 85 degrees 45% humidity with 50 degree water running through the lines feeding the burner, is a rain forest of condensation.Mostly on the lines that run across my ceiling (warmest spot)I had to insulate all the lines and the exhaust cooler as well.My ventilation system condensates worse than anything in winter,every inch of my ducting before my first light needs insulated including the 6 inch vortex fan.The foil faced foam insulation Cotyledons suggested works great in the fan housing and my exhaust cooler.
