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Any 1.5+ grams per Watt grows????
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DHF
Ok...missed AH`s post...sorry AH....and hey.....I`ve gotta agree witchas on big plants being inefficient , labor intensive , and high maintenance WHORES......
Grew 2 1/2 lb plants for almost a decade , till Heath talked me into ebb and flow buckets that gave me my life back with little to no maintenance whatsoever with dialed results....but it took.......more plants ta maintain yields.......
Go look at the farm if yas wanna see "so-called" 4 lb plants from Doubled`s........He`s back from the dead and claiming he`s gonna pull 10 lb plants this time.......but.....
It`s funny nobody else ever grew 4 lber`s but him ?......It`s genetic mostly with his bullshit G-13 cut NOBODY has but him "according ta him "....but....... most indica dominant plants take forever and a day ta get big enough for the size it takes for that kinda weight once flipped to 12/12 ......
He learned ALL he knows from Heath at HG before it died , and supposedly sold his setup for 450K back a yr or so ago to SOMEBODY but it never materialized in the real world.......then he disappeared....
Now he`s back spammin and lookin for somebody ta buy his shit since undercurrent`s took over his marketshare when his didn`t go up for sale at hydro stores everywhere....
Anyways.......Sky`s the limit.....once shit`s dialed with bare bulbs IME.....
Peace.....DHF.......
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Grew 2 1/2 lb plants for almost a decade , till Heath talked me into ebb and flow buckets that gave me my life back with little to no maintenance whatsoever with dialed results....but it took.......more plants ta maintain yields.......
Go look at the farm if yas wanna see "so-called" 4 lb plants from Doubled`s........He`s back from the dead and claiming he`s gonna pull 10 lb plants this time.......but.....
It`s funny nobody else ever grew 4 lber`s but him ?......It`s genetic mostly with his bullshit G-13 cut NOBODY has but him "according ta him "....but....... most indica dominant plants take forever and a day ta get big enough for the size it takes for that kinda weight once flipped to 12/12 ......
He learned ALL he knows from Heath at HG before it died , and supposedly sold his setup for 450K back a yr or so ago to SOMEBODY but it never materialized in the real world.......then he disappeared....
Now he`s back spammin and lookin for somebody ta buy his shit since undercurrent`s took over his marketshare when his didn`t go up for sale at hydro stores everywhere....
Anyways.......Sky`s the limit.....once shit`s dialed with bare bulbs IME.....
Peace.....DHF.......
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DHF
Your experience in Heath type grows were with the vertical racks
Any opinion on the flooded tube, 4 level pvc RDWC he showed?
I'm under the impression that was beyond the 1.5 gpw ( 3 lbs was what I remem) with 80 plants, veged a week and flipped using sun pulse multi spectrum 600watt bulbs?
Seemed like an easier setup than the racks
Curious cuz im finding the more plants + better gpw Inside
Quittin OD for a bit and focusing back on the ID
Weighing which way I should go
Your experience in Heath type grows were with the vertical racks
Any opinion on the flooded tube, 4 level pvc RDWC he showed?
I'm under the impression that was beyond the 1.5 gpw ( 3 lbs was what I remem) with 80 plants, veged a week and flipped using sun pulse multi spectrum 600watt bulbs?
Seemed like an easier setup than the racks
Curious cuz im finding the more plants + better gpw Inside
Quittin OD for a bit and focusing back on the ID
Weighing which way I should go
Agent-Smith
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Yeah, I have no respect for people who don't represent where they got their knowledge and designs from. Me on the other hand have never claimed the Grow Tunnel design as my own and always throw big ups to our long departed friend Keef Treeez for bringing it to the masses. And the Bio-Buckets I found from BigToke although both designs have been slightly modified by me. 
I'm a firm believer in giving respect where respect is due
I'm a firm believer in giving respect where respect is due
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DHF
Right on AS....You`re only as successful in life as those you surround yourself with , and I learned from the best and although krusty was a dick with ears asshole , the bastard could pump out da dank......
Gotta give credit where credit`s due....RIP keeftreez....remember his setups.....
Bud-Boy....I`m familiar with every setup Heath ever came up with , and the flooded tubes are over at the cabana , but no way ta access it since it`s "invite only".....
His rack setup was for a breeding project looking for specific pheno traits with seed runs directly 12/12.....He added fully rooted cuts into the mix to fill in the canopy , and with 2-600`s side by side in a lil `ol 4 x 6 area it pulled over 4 lbs with I think 87 plants total....
It was enoughta make me tear down all my ebb and flow bucket setups and retro em to my twist on his racks.......but ....the tubes weren`t DWC BB , but rather recirculating gutters in a corkscrew circle around just 1-600 watter that when juice drained out at the bottom to a "sump rez" as he call`s it , it was pumped back to the main rez while the other pump was keeping the flow constant in the gutters/troughs.....
More SWC or NFT than anything since juice was just flowing across the bottoms of the gutters the plants were sittin in best I remember....and there was at least 80 fully rooted cuts in the mix btw BB....
Peace......DHF..........
Gotta give credit where credit`s due....RIP keeftreez....remember his setups.....
Bud-Boy....I`m familiar with every setup Heath ever came up with , and the flooded tubes are over at the cabana , but no way ta access it since it`s "invite only".....
His rack setup was for a breeding project looking for specific pheno traits with seed runs directly 12/12.....He added fully rooted cuts into the mix to fill in the canopy , and with 2-600`s side by side in a lil `ol 4 x 6 area it pulled over 4 lbs with I think 87 plants total....
It was enoughta make me tear down all my ebb and flow bucket setups and retro em to my twist on his racks.......but ....the tubes weren`t DWC BB , but rather recirculating gutters in a corkscrew circle around just 1-600 watter that when juice drained out at the bottom to a "sump rez" as he call`s it , it was pumped back to the main rez while the other pump was keeping the flow constant in the gutters/troughs.....
More SWC or NFT than anything since juice was just flowing across the bottoms of the gutters the plants were sittin in best I remember....and there was at least 80 fully rooted cuts in the mix btw BB....
Peace......DHF.....
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Bud-Boy....I`m familiar with every setup Heath ever came up with , and the flooded tubes are over at the cabana , but no way ta access it since it`s "invite only".....
He's all over the web with that set up, I came across it on roll it up, (Ive been invited to the cabana, AND just now remembered that, but htat was like 2 years ago.... hmmm)
His rack setup was for a breeding project looking for specific pheno traits with seed runs directly 12/12.....He added fully rooted cuts into the mix to fill in the canopy , and with 2-600`s side by side in a lil `ol 4 x 6 area it pulled over 4 lbs with I think 87 plants total....
It was enoughta make me tear down all my ebb and flow bucket setups and retro em to my twist on his racks.......but ....the tubes weren`t DWC BB , but rather recirculating gutters in a corkscrew circle around just 1-600 watter that when juice drained out at the bottom to a "sump rez" as he call`s it , it was pumped back to the main rez while the other pump was keeping the flow constant in the gutters/troughs..... I recall only a single res
I'm very familiar with the setup, have it pdf'd on my computer. I was curious about your opinion on the setup seeing you decided to go the rack style, (which Im also familiar with) and you have respect for the systems.
Why did you go rack? vs tube
Doesnt the tube system produce more with only a few more clones? and like I mentioned before, It looks like an easier system to maintain once assembled
More SWC or NFT than anything since juice was just flowing across the bottoms of the gutters the plants were sittin in best I remember....and there was at least 80 fully rooted cuts in the mix btw BB....It's debatable what to call it it's so hybrid. I like the safety of it if power goes out. The plants are able to sit in the reservoir created by his dams at the end of each level of tube that create the waterfall effect to the next level increasing DO rates( 4" tubes flooded up to the bottoms of 2" nets with constant flow)
FROM HEATH'S THREAD "
The whole system runs in a full condition the water level is toutching the bottom of the net pots. The pump runs 24/7 so in effect what we have is similar to deep water culture but the main difference is the fast flow rate and I never leave a gap under the net pots.
The small res you see in the pics is the only res there is, because the tubes are full of water this means I can get away with using a small res."
Peace......DHF.....
Thanks DHF
Actually it was Aerohead and Hydrosun who brought it up, and because of what this thread is about I debunked it for purposes of "this thread only"
I can't wait to see what Heath's coming up with now, I love his designs! But I've got some fun things in the planning stages as well
Dude if the guy grew two trees burning 3Kw then that is what he did. Add the 76oz + 56oz and you get 132oz or 3742grams. That is only 1.25gpw, however I believe that Heath uses a system where only 3x600w are burning at any given time. If Heath pulled off 3742grms with 1800w then GPW ratio is 2.075.
I've already stated that I feel a better measure of efficiency is total annual grams of production divided by annual TOTAL electrical consumption. This approach accounts for veg lighting as well as all other equipment.
BongRipkenJR.
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Vertical always seems so cluttered and chaotic. The buds although they look massive seem to be foxtailed and fluffy most of the time.
Here is a set up that I did that blew me away. It was a very simple home made drip system. Six plants(grape krush) under 2 600 watt lights. No fans just a drafty cinder block garage built into the side of a hill. Honestly, no bells and whistles what so ever. I yielded 2 and 3/4 pounds off of it using GH 3 part with flora nectar. I wish I still had the picture of the day before it was harvested. There were no big colas. Everything was super dense golf ball sized slightly purple nuggets frosted to the max! The plants were vegged for 2 weeks as well.
Here is a set up that I did that blew me away. It was a very simple home made drip system. Six plants(grape krush) under 2 600 watt lights. No fans just a drafty cinder block garage built into the side of a hill. Honestly, no bells and whistles what so ever. I yielded 2 and 3/4 pounds off of it using GH 3 part with flora nectar. I wish I still had the picture of the day before it was harvested. There were no big colas. Everything was super dense golf ball sized slightly purple nuggets frosted to the max! The plants were vegged for 2 weeks as well.
Agent-Smith
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We already determined those two plants were grown at different times so your math, again, doesn't apply homie. Good try though.
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Hey BR JR.......I assure you my setups were neither chaotic nor cluttered , and I`ve never grown a foxtailed fluffy nug in my life.......
I will admit though that foxtailing can occur if the end colas get too close to the bare bulbs , but it`s mostly strain dependent and genetic IME......
Golfball nugs are more indica/kush varieties , and colas develop more from hybrids leaning toward the 50/50 sat/ind end of things ... Fluffy/airy bullshit leans more toward the sativa end of things from what I`ve seen for many many yrs.....
Not saying sativa`s can`t grow dense colas , just that they`re finicky and take way less nutes than every other variety/hybrids I`ve worked with over the yrs , and are hardta dial thus ending in fluffy buds if not run many times ta find their sweet spots......
Your 1232 gram pull from 1200 watts is only 1.02 gpw`s and admirable for a flat grow with a decent hybrid like grape krush , but please understand we want more out of less over here , and the end results we`re after are 2 gpw`s and then some......
Heath does it regularly , so why can`t everyone if following all the rules of dialage with increased plant numbers....or...it takes increased vegtime with "less" plants and longer......not my cup of tea.....
Peace...DHF........
I will admit though that foxtailing can occur if the end colas get too close to the bare bulbs , but it`s mostly strain dependent and genetic IME......
Golfball nugs are more indica/kush varieties , and colas develop more from hybrids leaning toward the 50/50 sat/ind end of things ... Fluffy/airy bullshit leans more toward the sativa end of things from what I`ve seen for many many yrs.....
Not saying sativa`s can`t grow dense colas , just that they`re finicky and take way less nutes than every other variety/hybrids I`ve worked with over the yrs , and are hardta dial thus ending in fluffy buds if not run many times ta find their sweet spots......
Your 1232 gram pull from 1200 watts is only 1.02 gpw`s and admirable for a flat grow with a decent hybrid like grape krush , but please understand we want more out of less over here , and the end results we`re after are 2 gpw`s and then some......
Heath does it regularly , so why can`t everyone if following all the rules of dialage with increased plant numbers....or...it takes increased vegtime with "less" plants and longer......not my cup of tea.....
Peace...DHF.....
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BongRipkenJR.
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I might try this vertical thing after a couple harvests. 2 gpw sounds amazing with no veg time. I can't stand vegging.
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26 oz`s per 600 perpetual with 10 plants finishing every 3 weeks is 1 of the setups Heath had dialed for increased harvey`s per yr......
Thanks BB......Precious pics I`ve seen you come up with here lately from HR......but...2.6 oz`s per plant finished every 9 weeks is most assuredly strain dependent , and Heath "infuenced"......
Respect...DHF..........
Thanks BB......Precious pics I`ve seen you come up with here lately from HR......but...2.6 oz`s per plant finished every 9 weeks is most assuredly strain dependent , and Heath "infuenced"......
Respect...DHF.....
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I know someone running the EXACT same system as that, and they got 2.3 g/pw from the last I heard. 80 clone's I think, 3 days veg and an 8 week strain. That's some fucking yield, I was meant to build that mini vert at the end of last year but some shit came up and I had to cut lose for a while and now I don't have the room for one but I'll be getting one built shortly I've got all the plan's ready to be put to use, they are the best vert about IMO.
HGO
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Heath go t 1.8 GPW on his "mini vert"
44" across 30" high, Single 600 in the center
CannabisFox
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yield ~
light > plants = space > nutrients > climate
isnt it
light > plants = space > nutrients > climate
isnt it
2.6 oz`s per plant finished every 9 weeks is most assuredly strain dependent , and Heath "infuenced"......
Respect...DHF.....
Without a doubt. But all these high yield grows are heavily strain/grower influenced if not determined by.... I believe
But it gives that sort of yielding a tangible goal and not a myth
But like riding a uni-cycle while hoola-hooping a fire ring and working a glass gravity ball at the same time..
You really learn it when it hits you, you've obtained the "keys" to the function, and with assertiveness & familiarity you are able to obtain that key state quite regularly, and perform from there.
Hey BR JR.......I assure you my setups were neither chaotic nor cluttered , and I`ve never grown a foxtailed fluffy nug in my life.......
I will admit though that foxtailing can occur if the end colas get too close to the bare bulbs , but it`s mostly strain dependent and genetic IME......
Peace...DHF.....
DHF, just answered a question for me, this seems to be spot on.
I noticed some buds close to the 400w beginning to foxtail but only the CM nugs, the RB and GDP are not doing so.
Even the CM nugs beginning to foxtail are very dense with the exception of the little tail growing out the end of the buds.
I was like WTF? Why are they doing this.... Your comment here seems to have solved the mystery. I don't like how close the nugs are to the 400w and will make a bigger doughnut next run...
As far as cluttered, I don't feel this way, my first vert grow is clean and simple, the nugs are anything but airy, and the yield looks like it's going to be insane for a first try with a new room, new hydro system, 3 unknown strains, and new way of growing.. I can't wait to dial this space..
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