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Any 1.5+ grams per Watt grows????
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Agent-Smith
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Not without some major wattage and it being inefficient. Remember what the topic of this thread is.....
Not so fast Agent Smith. Heath and others KILL huge trees with VERY effective zig zag flip flop verticals. MANY of Heath's trees runs match this threads 1.5gpw target.
I am aware I'm in the vert forum, here's one, 2400 watts isn't bad for 4.5 pounds... Almost a gpw It's a vertical hybrid grow and very impressive...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20620&highlight=closet+tree
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20620&highlight=closet+tree
I wonder if buckets and vert 400+600 will reach 1.5gpw? 53oz is a huge target for a doughnut, but not unbelievable. Your idea of 3x600 flip flopping has promise.
Agent-Smith
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are their trees pulling 4 pounds each?
I wonder if buckets and vert 400+600 will reach 1.5gpw? 53oz is a huge target for a doughnut, but not unbelievable. Your idea of 3x600 flip flopping has promise.
It's totally possible, I'm not going to get 1.5 gpw this run because of the multi strain plus being a newb at vert growing but I bet I bust 1 gpw on my first run.
There is no doubt in my mind I could hit 1.5 gpw on a second mono cropped run using a 600w over a 400w. I'm not going to get the chance to see because next run will be 8 plants with a 1k over a 600...
Agent-Smith
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I agree Heath is damn good, but two trees running 3000W and 2 months of veg before flower seems inefficient to me when you include all of the veg time as well as the maintenance and upkeep involved over those 4 months. I found some yield quotes from the thread and I found a problem...
One bush he claims 76 OZ from 1500W but that isn't true. He is actually using 1800W. Just because two plants share a bulb doesn't mean you can claim half the watts of it was used for one plant and half for the other. The intensity is still the same as a 600W and so is the power. So in reality he got about 1.18GPW from that, which still aint bad, but not great either. And the 56 OZ from 900W is actually 1200W so it works out to 1.3GPW which is better but not where we are in this thread
One bush he claims 76 OZ from 1500W but that isn't true. He is actually using 1800W. Just because two plants share a bulb doesn't mean you can claim half the watts of it was used for one plant and half for the other. The intensity is still the same as a 600W and so is the power. So in reality he got about 1.18GPW from that, which still aint bad, but not great either. And the 56 OZ from 900W is actually 1200W so it works out to 1.3GPW which is better but not where we are in this thread
Agent-Smith
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Do you even know anything about me? I believe in maximizing efficiency as well and have gotten over 1.5GPW consistently without CO2 just like Heath. Don't come at me like you know something....
Also, I aint knocking Heath, he's amazing with his grows and what he comes up with, but it doesn't mean that particular grow works for this thread. I explained why the figures are off.....you can't argue that. And I have been reading, maybe it's you who needs to re-read it.
Agent-Smith
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Maybe I'm wrong but he is the one that stated 1500W was used to pull 76 OZ and 900 was used for 56 OZ.
It's actually 1800W for 76OZ and 1200W for 56 OZ.....you do the math
It's actually 1800W for 76OZ and 1200W for 56 OZ.....you do the math
Agent Smith, no, honestly I dont know you, even so, your line of questioning doesn't make solid sense and I am going on that. If you know so much about Heaths grows, why the silly questions, we are getting nowhere with this...
Not trying to offend you, just can't make sense of your knowledge v.s. questions asked...
Not trying to offend you, just can't make sense of your knowledge v.s. questions asked...
Agent-Smith
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I don't believe I asked any questions?? Now I'm really confused 
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It was the total amount of watts used over each 12 hr lights on sequence with 2 lights flippin on and off every 6 hrs AS.....
I assure you there`s not an ounce of bullshit or mistakes made in calculations with Heath Robinson.....
For anyone to question his integrity is beyond ludicrous......
He grows big plants for shits and giggles , not for maxin out gpw`s....He does well over 2 gpw`s regularly and consistently with his smaller production rooms running increased plant numbers with fully rooted cuts flipped 12/12 and no vegtime.....
Peace....DHF.....
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I assure you there`s not an ounce of bullshit or mistakes made in calculations with Heath Robinson.....
For anyone to question his integrity is beyond ludicrous......
He grows big plants for shits and giggles , not for maxin out gpw`s....He does well over 2 gpw`s regularly and consistently with his smaller production rooms running increased plant numbers with fully rooted cuts flipped 12/12 and no vegtime.....
Peace....DHF.....
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DHF
Yeah.saw he`s back around tryin ta sell his setup again....
Yeah.saw he`s back around tryin ta sell his setup again....
Go read my post in Hydro and medimary`s thread " thoughts on hydroponics and RDWC" whodare , and you`ll see my thoughts on Doubled`s and his bullshit.......
Guy`s a good grower , but don`t get me started on HIS integrity of which he`s got none......
Peace...DHF........
Yeah.saw he`s back around tryin ta sell his setup again....
Go read my post in Hydro and medimary`s thread " thoughts on hydroponics and RDWC" whodare , and you`ll see my thoughts on Doubled`s and his bullshit.......
Guy`s a good grower , but don`t get me started on HIS integrity of which he`s got none......
Peace...DHF...
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Agent-Smith
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I'm not questioning his integrity, just the accuracy of the math used for that grow. Remember, this debate is only about the validity of the tree thread being pertinent to the topic of this thread we're in now. I said it earlier, Heath's the man! I'm not knocking any setup he has, as I'm a big fan of his myself. I know he get's great numbers in other grows but that's not what we are debating at the moment, only the tree setup. I think the math on that particular grow is a little off, but maybe my understanding is so I'll tell you what I think and why and then you can correct me if I'm wrong.
Heath's setup has 5-600W bulbs for a total of 3,000 watts. The first grow used all 5 bulbs and there were two plants, of which one was the plant that produced 76 OZ. All five bulbs were on at the same time. Because of the configuration of the lights, each plant had two dedicated bulbs and a third bulb inbetween both of them. Each plant in effect actually had 3 bulbs but only utilized 5. Very smart and efficient design but just because you use a 600W for two different plants doesn't mean that you can claim only 300W was used for each plant. The brightness and intensity and lumen output doesn't drop to 50% just because another plant is added to the grow. So if you use the actual sum of all three bulbs, that's 1800W not 1500W like was claimed. The two plants in the room were also at different stages of growth so the figure of breaking up the wattage doesn't really apply.
Now for the second grow, he had the flip box installed which made it so each plant was using one dedicated bulb at all times and were sharing the center bulb as well for a total of 1800W being on at all times and each plant "actually" using 1200W each, since again we are doing single plant harvests and the power can't be split.
Now in my mind that sounds right all day long, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
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No problem AS , but if Heath said it , calculated it , then write it in stone since I`ve never seen him exagerrate yields , nor watts per sq ft , so there`s gotta be somethin you`re not seeing....
It`s been awhile since I saw that thread , but I thought both setups were using the checkerboard lighting with lights flippin on and off every 6 hrs essentially using far less light over the 12 hr lights on sequence.....
I`m sure when he comes back and shows his new "aero" setup , you can ask him personally and he`ll set your mind at ease about your take on his wattage consumption , gpw`s and why ......
Also.....as I said several times in this thread , Verdant Green brought up Heath`s tree grows as a source of info runnin less plants with higher gpw`s , and I quickly stated that he DOES NOT run big plant grows for max gpw`s , but rather for his personal amusement ta see how big he can get em even though he KNOWS it takes a lot longer to veg em to a certain size before the flip till end of cycle......
That in and of itself breaks down efficiency of grams per watt per month , per cycle , per yr , and I assure you Heath`s production room`s pump out the gpw`s , NOT his big plant grows....
I never brought Heath into this thread for comparisons on gpw`s.....VG did......
Peace...DHF.......
It`s been awhile since I saw that thread , but I thought both setups were using the checkerboard lighting with lights flippin on and off every 6 hrs essentially using far less light over the 12 hr lights on sequence.....
I`m sure when he comes back and shows his new "aero" setup , you can ask him personally and he`ll set your mind at ease about your take on his wattage consumption , gpw`s and why ......
Also.....as I said several times in this thread , Verdant Green brought up Heath`s tree grows as a source of info runnin less plants with higher gpw`s , and I quickly stated that he DOES NOT run big plant grows for max gpw`s , but rather for his personal amusement ta see how big he can get em even though he KNOWS it takes a lot longer to veg em to a certain size before the flip till end of cycle......
That in and of itself breaks down efficiency of grams per watt per month , per cycle , per yr , and I assure you Heath`s production room`s pump out the gpw`s , NOT his big plant grows....
I never brought Heath into this thread for comparisons on gpw`s.....VG did......
Peace...DHF....
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