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Another reason to fear the space shuttle...

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All kinds of interesting ditties in the NY Times today...

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July 27, 2007
Astronauts Have Flown While Drunk, NASA Finds
By JOHN SCHWARTZ

NASA’s astronauts have flown while intoxicated on at least two occasions, according to reports of an internal NASA investigation, and the astronauts involved were warned that their drunkenness constituted a safety risk to the flight. But it is unclear whether this is a current problem and whether the incidents involved space shuttle flights.

The report, which has not been released, was described in an article published yesterday on the Web site of Aviation Week and Space Technology. According to the article, the panel investigators reported “ ‘heavy use of alcohol’ by astronauts” within 12 hours of flying.

According to people who have seen the report, it is a 12-page document with a single paragraph that deals with the accusations of alcohol and flying. It gives no details or specifics on the astronauts or the circumstances surrounding the incidents.

NASA said it would hold a news conference about the report today. Yesterday, NASA officials were asked about it at a news conference about the next shuttle mission, that of the Endeavour, which is scheduled to lift off as early as Aug. 7.

William H. Gerstenmaier, the head of space operations for NASA, declined to discuss the report before its release, but said, “I’ve never had any instances” involving safety risks because of drunken astronauts.

“There’s not been a disciplinary action or anything I’ve been involved with regarding this type of activity,” Mr. Gerstenmaier said.

A veteran astronaut, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment, said he had seen no evidence of alcohol problems or heavy use of alcohol before shuttle missions. “As with any group of people, some people drink and some don’t on social occasions,” he said of the astronaut corps.

He also raised questions about the timing of the alleged drinking.

“I wonder how someone could get into trouble right before a launch because of the way they keep us bottled up right before a flight,” he said. “We’ve got a lot of preflight requirements, including a sleep period and examinations before breakfast and suiting up before heading to the pad. There’s lot to do and a lot of people watching you.”

Michael Griffin, the NASA administrator, ordered the report after the February arrest of an astronaut, Capt. Lisa Marie Nowak of the Navy, who confronted a romantic rival in the parking lot of Orlando International Airport. Captain Nowak has since been fired by NASA and will be tried in Florida on charges of assault and attempted kidnapping.

Mr. Griffin asked the panel to evaluate the medical and psychological screening astronauts receive to determine if there were problem areas.

At yesterday’s news conference, Mr. Gerstenmaier also acknowledged that a worker at a space agency subcontractor had deliberately cut wires in equipment headed for the International Space Station. The sabotage was discovered before the device was loaded onto the shuttle.

The device, which is being repaired, is not critical to the space station, Mr. Gerstenmaier said, so even if the damage had not been detected, it would not have posed a danger. The incident is under investigation, he said.

Kenneth Chang and Warren E. Leary contributed reporting.
 

Sheriff Bart

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man you'd gotta be drunk or blasted to get into one of those things after seeing discovery and shit like that...fuck..who cares its not like they are putting many people besides themselves at risk,....but it could be a waste of a ton of money...
 

trouble

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I wouldnt let them strap a rocket to my ass and shoot me into space Sober ! I think they should do a smoke report from space !
 

HappyHemphog

Active member
I don't blame these folks one bit. I would definitely have to be drunk for you to strap a giant bomb on my ass and light the fuse.

Besides, my guess is these were Payload Specialists or some other position NOT involved in the pushing of buttons at launch. Most of the launch sequence is automated and the Pilot is there only to confirm and for emergency override.
 
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daisy jane

Hey, at least they can say they have been drunk in space. For the Russian Space Program, it is tradition to take a shot of vodka. I don't think it is a good idea, because I don't like drinking that much. I much rather smoke a doobie while orbiting around the Earth.
 

Sheriff Bart

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whoops, not discovery, what am i thinking..
heres a nice challenger pic:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/9/9f/Challenger_explosion.jpg
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/investigations/q0122.shtml
S86-38990.jpg

S86-38991.jpg
 
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Pixelante

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daisy jane said:
Hey, at least they can say they have been drunk in space. For the Russian Space Program, it is tradition to take a shot of vodka. I don't think it is a good idea, because I don't like drinking that much. I much rather smoke a doobie while orbiting around the Earth.
You can't blaze in space. It's an oxygen-rich environment. The shuttle would explode.

I find the drinking to be reasonable. Remember, these people are paid very little and ride the world's largest controlled explosion on a machine where every single part was constructed by the lowest bidder.
 

The Uncola

Member
Some of the coverage I heard mentioned the hard drinking exploits of several astronauts written about in Tom Wolfe's "The Right Stuff". Of course none of that hedonism occured within 12 hours of launch. -Ya right.
 

Dr Dog

Sharks have a week dedicated to me
Veteran
I would still be an astronaut, anytime any day, I would do it for free as well.
I get goosebumps when I see photos of earth from space.
A drunk driver is a drunk driver, but I don't think that they could be drunk enough to crash into earth, and they don't really have much control at any dangerous times that is what the computers do
 
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daisy jane

Pixelante said:
You can't blaze in space. It's an oxygen-rich environment. The shuttle would explode.

I find the drinking to be reasonable. Remember, these people are paid very little and ride the world's largest controlled explosion on a machine where every single part was constructed by the lowest bidder.

Haha, probably so huh? Don't worry I was speaking hypothetically Pixelante :D :D
My mom and I were just having a discussion about the space program and how expensive it is. I think a great idea to help pay for the space program would be for the astronauts to take things in space and sell them when they got back to ground. I know that a few astronauts got in big trouble for doing this (I think they were selling stamps to their friends). I'm pretty sure they were not allowed to fly again :badday: Now the Russians have a good idea, they will let you go through their space program and fly with them. It only costs about a hundred million. On a side note, if you were to fly with the Russians, you would not be allowed to see the American's space station. Which I think it pretty weird..

Back to the original topic, I really don't think it is that smart to be drinking while operating any sort of machinery in the first place. Then again, there's not much to run into up there. Haha.
 
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Pops

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Most people don't realize that practically all early missions were controlled from the ground. Nearly every mission could be handled by a man and a dog. The man is there for PR value and the dog is there to bite the man if he touches anything.
 
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Pixelante

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Now you're speaking my language! :joint:

A friend and I discussed this topic a while back, and we thought the smartest idea would be to smuggle some brownies or something similar on board.

I wonder if astronaut food makes for good snacks...
 
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