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Agroecosystem study implies genetic modification neither helpful nor necessary

Weird

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for yield gains and sustainability

http://www.iatp.org/blog/201309/agr...ation-neither-helpful-nor-necessary-for-yield


Posted September 27, 2013 by Dr. M. Jahi Chappell
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Wow. This seems likely to cause a long-term stir, and I’m quite sure vociferous critiques from many quarters (though likely mostly from the usual suspects). University of Canterbury Professor Jack Heinemann and his team have found that
…Relative to other food secure and exporting countries (e.g., Western Europe), the U.S. agroecosystem is not exceptional in yields or conservative on environmental impact. This has not been a trade-off for sustainability, as annual fluctuations in maize yield alone dwarf the loss of caloric energy from extreme historic blights. We suggest strategies for innovation that are responsive to more stakeholders and build resilience into industrialized staple crop production.
In terms of making a splash and what the big, viral attention has been about, though, this excerpt from their abstract buries the lede. In an interview with the journal’s publisher, Prof. Heinemann elaborates:
Our most significant findings were that:
–GM cropping systems have not contributed to yield gains, are not necessary for yield gains, and appear to be eroding yields compared to the equally modern agroecosystem of Western Europe. This may be due in part to technology choices beyond GM plants themselves, because even non-GM wheat yield improvements in the U.S. are poor in comparison to Europe.
–Herbicide reductions can be achieved in European countries that do not adopt GM crops. In contrast, use is rising in the U.S., the major adopter of GM crops. Chemical insecticide use is decreasing in both agroecosystems, but more more profoundly in France (also Germany and Switzerland) that do not use GM plants and only modestly in the U.S. Total insecticide use is not decreased in the U.S. when insecticidal plants are included in total insecticide use.
I have not reviewed the findings in depth yet, myself. You, like me and everyone else, should go read the study. Interestingly, their results seem to back up the results of my WSU colleague Dr. Chuck Benbrook. Last year, Dr. Benbrook concluded that “Herbicide use is much greater on GE acres compared to conventionally managed acres planted to non-GE cultivars,” meaning that overall pesticide use in the U.S. has gone up, even though insecticide use has gone down. Although Heinemann et al. do rely in part on Chuck’s results, they also point out that “The short-term reduction in insecticide use reported in the period of Bt crop adoption appears to have been part of a trend enjoyed also in countries not adopting GM crops… reductions attributed to GM crops (Fedoroff 2012) are in question… similar if not more impressive reductions have been achieved in countries not adopting GM crops.”
It will be quite interesting to see how this plays out. Dollars to donuts that someone, at least, accuses them of being “unscientific," returning to the tired trope of conflating “I disagree with you/you’re wrong” with “You’re not conducting science.” It is quite possible (indeed, *likely*) that “good science” will be wrong (our own methods are premised on a “false positive” rate of at least 5%, if not much more), so proving (or believing) that someone is wrong has no little bearing on whether they’re “scientists” or “conducting [good] science.” Proving that they are asking or doing something wrong most likely means they made errors, which again is distinct from not practicing science. (Even good scientists make errors; should all science with any errors be declared “not science” or simply “wrong”?) Even phrasing a question in a way you consider incorrect, illegitimate, or (horror of horrors), insufficiently objectively does not mean they’re not practicing science. In my opinion, such charges should be made when there is verifiable malfeasance. In any case, check it out yourself, and decide if the “good science” is now telling us concretely that [the studied] GM crops are not necessary, sufficient, efficient, or even effective for sustainable or food-secure/food-sovereign systems
 

Max Headroom

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yield is NO concern of GM producers.
the only reasons they modified the plants are
1) so they have a 'terminator gene' and seeds have to be bought every year
2) so they can withstand their patented pesticides you HAVE to buy in addition to your seeds.

it's all about patents & copyright, not about reducing hunger.
 

waveguide

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you get the perfect plan: for optimal crops, send your young people into the fields to fornicate

what kind of person says, let's not do it like that?
 

geopolitical

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#1 There are exactly zero 'terminator' genes in commercially released GE seed.
#2 The herbicide of choice, glyphosate, is out of patent for years and years now.
 

stoned-trout

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wont be long in the usa where ,,you have to grow your own to avoid all the gm crops as they don't label them all...yeehaw...I have no want or need for gm crops..they already screwed our potatos, apples,corn and a bunch of other stuff...
 

sprinkl

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Finally, get this news out to the masses, social media, whatever.
I just hate it when people's standpoint on gmo's are "it's a necessary thing to combat world hunger". No it's not. It's the opposite of necessary. It's worthless crap that is no good for anything but some people's wallets. Half of our food is wasted anyway. Yeah lets use chemicals on food and make people eat that shit.

#1 There are exactly zero 'terminator' genes in commercially released GE seed.
#2 The herbicide of choice, glyphosate, is out of patent for years and years now.

1) then explain why so many farmers in 3rd world countries are commiting suicide, is it not because since switching to gmo's they have shitty yields and no money to buy the necessary seeds for next year? They have been doing fine for hundreds if not thousands of years, switching to these bunk genes is the end for most.
Maybe there isn't a terminator gene put in there with gmo technology but the seeds ARE useless. Both for producing food and seed for next year.

2) that doesn't mean Monsanto isn't still making huge profits of it. Most chemical companies making it are likely daughter companies or affiliated anyway. You have to be a shitty corp to make such poisons...
 

Max Headroom

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i don't know why we should let companies who made weapons of war monopolize our food production. (Monsanto-Agent Orange/BASF-Zyklon B)
 

geopolitical

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I am a retired chemist, now married to a former biology lab rat, and my entire extended family are commercial farmers. Those farms include both organic and conventional farms. Grain, dairy, meat, market farming, orchards, and more.

The vast majority of gmo crops are developed with an eye on marginal or subsistance fsrming these days and are more about environmental and pest resistance as well as adding micronutrients lacking in subsistance diets such as vit A.

As someone that lives within spitting distance of the arctic circle I for one cant wait for 24/7 light tolerant tomatoes (company out of Sweden is developing them). As it is I have to shade my vines for 4-6 hours a day or they start dying after a month or so of no breaks in light.
 

sprinkl

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Proof or I don't believe any of it, nothing that comes from these companies is helping any people or do you actually believe stuff like roundup is safe for consumption. If there are useful genes in their products it's taken out of something they have no hand in, where families like yours have spend generation upon generation to improve certain aspects one step at a time. And don't think those families get any money for the time and trouble they went through... Those seed vaults popping up are the same sketchy shit... Everyone mail in your best genetics... So we can hijack the crap out of it and patent it and never pay anyone that deserves being payed... Fuck these motherf's...
If you think greenhouse seeds is doing a shit job going around collecting landraces and giving their shit hybrids in exchange, well... At least they aren't patenting their shit yet.

I have a chemist background as well, there's a reason I didn't want anything to do with that industry. So I went butchering animals, fed the same crap by the same corps... Durr.
 

Weird

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The intentions of corporate entities are driven by the people good and bad that stand behind them.

The industrial revolution got us here, and big corporations push the envelope to make money, climate for a perfect storm.

The benefit of pest and pathogen resistance is losing luster compared to the rate at which it is making the organisms it protect against adapt against it.

The inability to call back these modifications and nullify the effects on the environment is what makes is grossly irresponsible.

I myself would rather see them recycle the plastic island in the ocean and make solar greenhouses (bear proof) so people in alaska can grow heirloom tomatoes in the winter.

Helps decrease the effect of our foot print not increase it
 

geopolitical

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There's no light in winter above the 70th. You grow your tomatoes using very efficient lighting in a well insulated warehouse. Maybe use that plastic to make insulation.

Also, heirloom tomatoes are horrifyingly inbred. Almost all the variations come down to just a handful of genes. Preventing gene loss and inbreeding depression in a crop that is often an inbreeder due to flower shape is difficult even with modern breeding methods.

Many of the lost genes (still present in wild species) code for resistance to pests, environmental conditions, disease, etc.
 

geopolitical

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U. of Oregon's blue series is a great example of reintroducing wild genes into domestic vines using conventional breeding. I will say that you could have accomplished a literally identical result in 1/10th the time (and cost) using cisgenomics, but the work is still pretty interesting. Tom Wagner is another modern breeder working with some very interesting genetics.
 

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