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Any one have any thoughts on these vs hortilux for flowering? I see they seem to have more red than MH. I know it is not common practice to use MH for flowering. Any thoughts, advise or comments welcome
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I've been using them for over 10 years for flowering...no complaints at all. I'm running a 1k Agrosun Gold next to a 1k Horti Eye for the last year and the differences are extremely minimal - if even noticable
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The 1K's are a bit higher in par watts than hortilux,580 to 535.I've only used it for veg and that was kinda crazy,spending all that money when a commercial halide vegges plants just fine.They would be good to flower with I'm sure but like sandman I'd like to have some hortilux in there also
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Thanks for the quick response. It mimincks the sun better than HPS, or at least the advertisments claim they do. A side by side test is the best way to compare for sure. I just dont see too many people running them and was curious. I dont have the room for a side by side. I guess I could try one and then the other, but since so many factors come into play other than the lights, it might not give me an accurate reflection of its capabilities. Presently in hempy buckets. Easiest hydro bar none. Simple, no moving parts and cant screw it up, no matter how hard you try sometimes. Later
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I use 4 parts perlite and 1 part vermiculite. The kind they sell at Lowes works fine. 2.5 gal bucket, drill some holes and you are up and running. Hempy says to use full strength nutes. I dont always do it that "strong" I use the lucas formula. If you cant tell,I like to keep it simple, no pumps, timers, mess, schedules or any of that. It works as well as E/F. E/F is the only other method I have tried so far. If you are going to let the plants get over 36" you might want to use some hydroton in the mix. It will add some stability when the plants get "top heavy". I have done it this way also and it works great. Hempy buckets rock and are probably the least used system, AFAICT. Thanks for the dialouge.
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Just take a 2.5 gal bucket drill 3 holes 2 inches up from the bottom spaced equally around the bucket. Fill with a mix of 4 parts perlite 1 part vermiculite. Put in the rooted plant and water/feed the nute mix. You cant overwater or it will drain out. The water roots sit in the res all the time, but only the bottom 2 inches of the bucket has water/nutes. You can start your rooted clones in bathroom cups an just poke a hole about 1/4 of the way up from the bottom. Once they have estabilished a good root system then transfer to beer cups and veg a little more. Then put in the buckets and veg/bloom them on whatever schedule you would normally use. You will not get any root rot and frankly I have never had any root issues no matter what the temps were. You feed them your normal mix, and just catch a little run off water and check the ppm and ph. Lets say you have a target of 1100 ppm. Get it to that and then add about 4-500 ppm nute mix each feeding. Sort of like the 1/3 stength add back rule. Simple as hell and works great. You can go about three to four days with out watering and not have to worry about dead plants. Hope this helps. Try it you will like it
Here's an example - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=24814
I love it, you can have them in a bucket and be able to move them round like a soil plant. Most hydro, once it's in there it ain't moving...Too an extent.
I'd use this but i'm sick of having to haul large amounts of medium around.
Now outdoor, i'd like to use this! Anyone have experience with a hempy bucket or passive hydro outdoor?
I love it, you can have them in a bucket and be able to move them round like a soil plant. Most hydro, once it's in there it ain't moving...Too an extent.
I'd use this but i'm sick of having to haul large amounts of medium around.
Now outdoor, i'd like to use this! Anyone have experience with a hempy bucket or passive hydro outdoor?
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The honest answer is "I dont know". I can tell you that you will not have root issues. I have tried it and it works. Snow white roots every time. Just try one in your garden and let us know how you make out. Spread the knowledge.
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Yea,this is some interesting stuff,I remember hempy well though it really didnt interest me at the time.So whats the verdict?I used to use 50 50 per and verm to root clones,works well.A larger amount of perlite to reduce the chance of root rot due to over retention?What 3 to 1?We need a consensus I'll try this myself on a plant.I normally water every fourth day in flower anyway but this still interests me.It is truly hydro when you think about it.
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This is where extremely wide shallow buckets would be beneficial I think
Hempy says 3-4 parts perlite to 1 part vermiculite. Vermiculite holds too much water from what i read in the link i posted. Shame that grow is incomplete.
Talking about passive hydro...
I know NBG used a airstone in the bottom of his passive hydro, but he used (quoted from this thread) 2-3'' of pure hydroton in the bottom, majority of the tub filled with pure diced rockwool/cellmax & a layer of pebbles again on the top to keep algae at bay. Looks like he had drain holes at the bottom of his bin though???
Here's his thread - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12653
ballastman, do you use perlite in your soil mix? Also, why do you think a wide shallow bucket would be beneficial?
Talking about passive hydro...
I know NBG used a airstone in the bottom of his passive hydro, but he used (quoted from this thread) 2-3'' of pure hydroton in the bottom, majority of the tub filled with pure diced rockwool/cellmax & a layer of pebbles again on the top to keep algae at bay. Looks like he had drain holes at the bottom of his bin though???
Here's his thread - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12653
ballastman, do you use perlite in your soil mix? Also, why do you think a wide shallow bucket would be beneficial?
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As long as you dont let the plants get too tall, less that 18" or there abouts the wide shallow will work. However if they get very tall in a wide shallow container then you will have stability issues when they get top heavy. I have done it both ways, and the 2.5 gallon bucket is the one you want. You will need to water every day untill the roots hit the res in the bottom 2" of the bucket. Trust me, you will be able to tell when this happens. After the roots hit the res, then just water every 3 to 4 days. If you do a google search "Hempy Buckets" you will find a hit on the old OG and just hit the cached items button. You will not get the picks but you will get the original post by Hempy himself. I will caution you to lay off of the bong first, I dont think he speaks english as a first language, and some times you have to "sound out" the words a bit. He is a genius of growing IMO. In his gallery you will see some monster sativias 6'+ grown in this method. Sick of a scheduel give it a try
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Yea I use ocean forest with some perlite and 1 tbls dolomite lime per gallon mix,why'd you have to ask me that lol?I'm sitting here thinking about why I would have said that earlier and for the life of me,I dunno.Maybe I was thinking the root system would stretch wide not deep in such a system,who knows..I dont seem to.EDIT Tis the fault of FS white widow i tells ya!
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lol, fair enough. Puffing on sum SS Chronic myself.
Asked about the perlite because you water every 4 days. In my soil grow (I have a DWC also) i water about every 3 days but don't use perlite. Wether that means anything i doubt it. I'm just curious as to what you have in your soil mix.
Asked about the perlite because you water every 4 days. In my soil grow (I have a DWC also) i water about every 3 days but don't use perlite. Wether that means anything i doubt it. I'm just curious as to what you have in your soil mix.
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