Advice on strains election

[Luiggi]

Hi all,

Hope you are all doing well.

I am wondering which strains of ace shoud I choose for this year. I am planning to have up to 3 plants.

The taste I like is very heterogeneus, from inciensed wood to the most fruity flavour. We love bubblegum and Jack la mota but I am open to new flavours.

The effect I am looking for would be something soft with not anxiety at all and which does not affect too much my dayly routine but which os uplifting. I am open to grow an indica too because have never done due to most of what I have grown were polihibrids (50/50) or closer to sativa leaning varieties ando would love one of the 3 to be an indica.

Regarding shape I am planning to either germinate them after june or july to keep them not so tall in 40 to 80 liters Pot or to create clones. This way I could handle tallness by creating clones and planting them in the garden on early july for not so stretchy strains or mid/late august in case of stretching ones (would like to keep them in between 40 to 60 cm). Last year I put some Moby dick, bubblegum and critical clones (outdoor clonning) on early august and critical and bubblegum did not stretch taller than 25-30 cm (harvest was not so worthy) but moby dick got to one and a half meter (was able to keep only 5 out of 10 because of them getting that tall). All clones were 15 to 20 cm when they first touched the soil. This year I would like to be able of performing an outdoor Kind of sog with 30 to 40 clones in like three to four square metters and so have not a bad harvest (not sure this is possible). Mothers which the clones would hace got from are to be kept in the pots I said before (40-80l).

I am located in a place near Huesca in Spain in case It adds some information.

Could any of you give me some advice about what to grow? Do you have any advice regarding how to keep them short but still productive?

dubi, what would be in ace mix and tropical mix this year? Probably I'll take a package for the futuro todo.

Kind regards,

Luiggi

 

[goingrey]

How about Orient Express?

https://www.aceseeds.org/en/orientexpressfem.html

 

[Cactus Squatter]

Panama x Bangi Haze definitely ticks a lot of those boxes for me.
Nicely uplifting, Warm and floaty feeling, no paranoia, no heavy couch effect/laziness, huge incense taste and smell at least on the pheno I grew.
It’s definitely one of my favorite daytime smokes.

Honduras x Panama would be another one I highly recommend. It’s truly something special and so extremely vigorous it’ll shock you. It’s also very up and floaty, no anxiety/paranoia, great flavor, really good for yoga and meditation sessions, absolutely beautiful plants to grow.

Kali China will also always be in my garden.
Super relaxing without heavy sleepiness or lethargy, incredibly complicated and amazing smells/flavors, I really enjoy the soft body relaxation feel from it. It feels so different to me in the body than any other plant I’ve smoked.


So far I haven’t had anyone feel anxiety or overwhelmed by any of those 3. Everyone has really enjoyed them in all aspects. They’re potent, but not grab you by the seat of your pants, execute gravity in front of you and then throw you to Jupiters orbit potent. If you want that look at Killer A5 & Zamaldelica.

Those 3 strains were also all incredibly easy and trouble free for me to grow.


edit: I kinda glazed over the section on what final plant heights you’re looking for. Honduras x Panama might not agree to staying small, even with clones that late. Mine were all hyper vigorous and wanted to be massive. They also run a little longer if that’s a concern for you.

 

[therevverend]

Bangi Haze would fit your description almost perfectly. It's not a small plant but it doesn't stretch too much or get unreasonably huge. The growth rate is very controllable. Good yield. Very nice middle ground effects, not the type to cause anxiety but not lacking in potency. The flavor ranges from woody incense to fruity, right in the range you're looking for.

One thing you could do with the Bangi is tie it over. The branching and shape is almost perfect for that. Let it get a meter to a meter and a half tall and then tie it over. You could keep it's maximum height anywhere between one and two meters but keep stretching it two or even three meters long. Some plants aren't suited to this type of training but Bangi Haze is perfect for it. You could start it even earlier, in May or early June for this sort of treatment, you'd get a large yield without letting it get tall. If you only have 3 you want to make them count.

The other stuff that comes to mind are the hashplant and Kali Mist hybrids. Kali Mist types don't get tall but have decent yields and enjoyable effects. Kali China seems like a good one. I've always wanted to try Bubba Hash, as far as Afghan types go it should be excellent. Hashplant tends to have large yields on a manageable sized plant. You're over 40 degrees latitude so you want to finish by mid October, I'd stay away from the 100% tropical types that will want to stretch and finish late. Both the Kali Mist and the hashplants finish early enough hopefully you won't have mold issues.

Just noticed the hashplant haze x Kali China. Sounds awesome. It could finish a bit on the late side but not outside of your range. Hashplants, Kali Mist, and Yunnan China types can also be tied over and trained. I like this sort of treatment more then topping. Since you aren't removing the most vigorous part of the plant. I had a friend with a fence that was under two meters, he had a huge plant but he couldn't let it be seen by the neighbors. He ended up tying bricks to it. Looked ridiculous but he got a pound of smoke on a plant that wasn't taller then a meter!

 

[goingrey]

Bangi Haze would fit your description almost perfectly. It's not a small plant but it doesn't stretch too much or get unreasonably huge. The growth rate is very controllable. Good yield. Very nice middle ground effects, not the type to cause anxiety but not lacking in potency. The flavor ranges from woody incense to fruity, right in the range you're looking for.

One thing you could do with the Bangi is tie it over. The branching and shape is almost perfect for that. Let it get a meter to a meter and a half tall and then tie it over. You could keep it's maximum height anywhere between one and two meters but keep stretching it two or even three meters long. Some plants aren't suited to this type of training but Bangi Haze is perfect for it. You could start it even earlier, in May or early June for this sort of treatment, you'd get a large yield without letting it get tall. If you only have 3 you want to make them count.

I have to disagree with Bangi Haze not being the type to cause anxiety based on my experiences with the strain. Of course everyone is wired differently.

I do agree that to get good yields from it an earlier start than the op is planning is a good idea.

 

[FletchF.Fletch]

Check out the way Hombre del mont tamed ACE's Panama. He pruned and trained it to be very compact and discreet. You'll have to backtrack in the Panama thread to find his pictures, but it's worth it to give you an idea of what can be done to contain a would-be giant. This technique can open the entire ACE catalog to you.

I'm a huge fan of the Malawi x Pakistan Chitral Kush. Incredible resilience in growth, beautiful plants whether Purple or Green, strong flavors, and very balanced uplifting high.

Good Luck and Happy Growing!!

 

[Luiggi]

Thank you all for your quick responses.

I was thinking into orient express actually as I had heard they were creating no anxiety at all. I had heard the same about bangi Haze. Isn't It? But for Panama and all its crosses, would they not create anxiety? May they not be quite overwhelming?

Regarding bending the plant I think I will try It, but nota sure how long into flowering should I keep tying It to let the Buds stretch enough.

I have seen @Hombre_del_mont technique and I think I could try.

Os orient express easy to get bent?

Sorry if any misspelling but I am typing from an spanish mobilephone keyboard layout with spanish dictionary.
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[goingrey]

In my experience Panama is much less anxiety causing than Bangi Haze. therevverend seems to have had more positive experiences with Bangi Haze though.

While Panama isn't an anxiety causing strain, it is also not the one to go with for a strain that doesn't mess with your daily routine. Unless your routine is to do nothing at all.

Orient Express is suitable for bending, yes. From the ACE official description:

Very suitable for ... SCROG, horizontal or network growing due to its excellent yield in the lateral branches and its vigorous reaction to pruning.

 

[HCMPA]

IMO Thai Chi, Orient Express and Zamaldelica x Kali China are close to what you are looking for

 

[Cactus Squatter]

Thinking about it, Nepaljam x Kali China would be a really good one as well.
It comes on slow and easy, very comfortable, not sleepy, just blissful and makes me feel like matthew mcconaughey is just in my head saying “alright” over and over again.

 

[therevverend]

I was thinking into orient express actually as I had heard they were creating no anxiety at all. I had heard the same about bangi Haze. Isn't It? But for Panama and all its crosses, would they not create anxiety? May they not be quite overwhelming?

Can't think of anyone reporting Orient Express causing anxiety. I've seen a high CBD version which was probably an anomaly, but the Yunnan part could contribute other cannabinoids. I imagine the Yunnan part contributes low anxiety to it's crosses. I didn't think about the potential for Kali Mist or Nep Jam to cause anxiety but there is potential from the sativa side of things. Anxiety can be very subjective, but it can also vary quite a bit from plant to plant. Unless a line is truly inbred you're going to have different effects pop up. One thing you can do with Bangi Haze, or other types that might could make you anxious, is cure them for a long time. After 6 months to 2 years of aging the effects will mellow out. I had year old Bangi buds that got super mellow.

I'd be cautious of Zamaldelica, it leans towards the anxious. It can be quite potent. I hadn't smoked in a while and smoked some. I had fun, it was trippy, but it also got to my stomach. Had a twisting feeling that felt like the early onset of a panic attack. Could overwhelm a light unexperienced smoker. Once again aging would mellow out a lot of those affects. Generally African types are more likely to produce anxiousness. If Bangi is causing anxiety it could be the Congo side.

Hadn't thought about Lebanese or Moroccan but you might want to look into them for low anxiety. Erdpurt is another one that should be mellow. And hashplant; I was just thinking about how every time I'd get anxious from sampling too many potent types I'd have a toke of hashplant. I'd still be super high but it would take the edge away like magic.

 

[dubi]

Welcome Luiggi and thanks for considering our genetics for this outdoor season.

I would stay away from the mixes if you want genetics that meet your taste accurately and perform properly in a given environment (based on descriptions).

It's very important to consider first your location since Huesca has a difficult highland continental climate of cold October and with strong temp variations during the whole season.

If you like fruity incensey aromas/taste and kind, functional effects then i would recommend you Nepal Jam x Kali China (Kali China and Nepal Jam too, although the cross between both is better yielding) and PCK x Kali China. Violeta and Zamaldelica x Kali China are great fruity (non incensey) genetics for your climate.
Also, our autoflowering strains Auto Malawi x NL and Auto Zamaldelica would be great choices for your conditions.

Hope it helps.

 

[troutman]

Also, our autoflowering strains Auto Malawi x NL and Auto Zamaldelica would be great choices for your conditions.

Hope it helps.

You planning on making Auto Panama regular seeds any time soon?

 

[dubi]

troutman sorry, no

 

[Luiggi]

Hi all again,

Did little count on your advices (sorry for that) and I finally bought the following:

Panama - After reading here and there and due to my understanding being that it might be one of the most popular strains in ACE's catalogue I felt I had to give it a try. A friend of mine went to Spannabis(would have liked to go) and I asked him to buy a Panama for me.

Congo -> few years ago I did write ACE an email and they did adviced me on growing Congo for a clean high and a fruity flavour. At that time I decided for Guawi but I have been always regretting of not having grown Congo too.

Nepal Jam -> in this case I got guided by your opinions. I did grow it by the time I did Guawi but had to leave it on itself in a riverside and did harvest nothing.

HongurasxPanama-> I wanted to complete my order and get the orient express freebie so after reading it was quite branchy and vigorous as much as with a social type of high I decided for this. In addition I was adviced on taking it when I did order Guawi, so took it.

Orient express -> It was a gift from ACE (thank you) but did want to try this after reading all above opinions. Is the most interesting for me because I love smoking weed but sometimes I get too high and feel a bit overwhelmed. That's why I want to give it a ride.

Once all that is said I wanted to ask you something. I would like to try all of them this season but will need them to not grow so big. Will try @Hombre del mont technique but don't want them to be too big. My question is about when to start each of them to make them not bigger than an indoor plant or so (a little bigger since I am going to use @Hombre del mont technique). I smoke about 200 to 300g a year, so don't need (can't get) them too big.

I have been thinking into start orient and Nepal during this next week or the week after and the rest about 2nd week of June. Would they get too big? If so I will just bent every branch and will not prune. The another idea would be to kind of scrog them and apply topping and pruning if there is time. What would you recommend me?

Probably you know it better and you migh have an approach on when to start each of them.

Panama is missing in the picture since it came directly from Spannabis to the growing place.

Salud

 

[dubi]

Hola Luiggi muchas gracias por apoyar nuestro trabajo, de verdad se agradece

Orient Express, Nepal Jam and Congo are great choices for your climate Panama surprisingly works quite well up there in the mountains.
Honduras x Panama maybe is a bit on the limit for your conditions but has high chances to do it, so should be interesting to try, and it's definitely an excellent choice for social party weed

 

[f-e]

I do my auditions in the coffee shops. Covid put a halt to proceedings, but I hope to get on a plane again soon.
You have already chosen to do them all I guess? However you might still want to consider if you can try them.
It's not exactly cheap for all of us to get to coffee shops. It's a worthy business trip though. I plan my route where I need to go, and smoke nothing else unless it appears it should of been on my list. If I can't find it anywhere, I strike it from my list. It would need a lot of good diaries to convince me to grow something I had not tried.

 

[Luiggi]

Hi all,

@dubi , thanks for the info. Would you recommend me to already start all the seeds? Or should I wait to start them? I am planning to plant 2 of them on the ground but keeping them in no more than an square meter each and no taller than 50cm (after stretching). The other three I am planning to plant them in a 50 liters smart pots / plastic pots (have both types) and keep them the same height (after stretching). Not sure which would perform better in each. Never before I kept them so low but cannot exceed nor that heigh nor that area.

@f-e , I don't really agree regarding coffeeshops. I have been not too many but some times in Amsterdam and surroundings and it is true that you can test many strains in there but I think they are mainly the same. Probable I did not go the right places. With ACE I would like to explore the different varieties and highs available (same with flavours) in landraces which I guess might differ quite a bit from commercial weed. I don't Mind the final weight of the harvest but if possible I want strains which I can clearly identify in all their aspects. Anyway, whenever I go to NL I love to check the hash. Cause you can find real jewels at some places.

 

[f-e]

I wouldn't like to just turn up in the dam and find things. I plan ahead. I'm not familiar with Ace beyond the name, but they might know where their stuff can be found. Other than that, it's looking at menu's online.
Many of the shops do carry the same lines, which can help me with the commercial aspects of strain choice. Something you are perhaps not interested with.
I was not aware you were in the EU. I guess Italy? spain/Barcelona might be worth a look. Lots of breeding project in the EU moved to spain. I can't say as I'm interested as I'm British, but you may not mind supporting their economy

 

[dubi]

Hi Luiggi if you want to grow them small better plant them late (in June, even July) and prune the taller ones if they are growing too tall.