ace sativas x chems/ diesels

[nepalnt21]

i've seen a couple of posts talking about crosses between chemdog strains (and close relatives) and ace sativas.

i'm interested in ANY and ALL experiences you guys have hybridizing pure or almost pure ace sativas with chems, diesels... (preferably half n half, not just like 1/12th chem lol, just sayin)

(and i mean the diesels that have a direct connection with the original chem-d/ chem4/ chem91 skunkVA / chem sis cuts... tres dawg, stardawg, onycd, guava IX, etc. or even sour diesel... not really interested in O.G. kushes... no offense, i'm sure they're quality... i just don't respond well to those strains for whatever reason. might be the high myrcene, idk.)

smoke reports, thoughts/ experiences in general, etc.???

please and thank you.

(i'm really all about sativas, but something about the chem family... they hit the right buttons in terms of relief, but can also be MADLY psychedelic/ trance inducing. the only modern commercial hybrids i love tend to be related to chemdog.)

 

[Creeperpark]

i've seen a couple of posts talking about crosses between chemdog strains (and close relatives) and ace sativas.

i'm interested in ANY and ALL experiences you guys have hybridizing pure or almost pure ace sativas with chems, diesels... (preferably half n half, not just like 1/12th chem lol, just sayin)

(and i mean the diesels that have a direct connection with the original chem-d/ chem4/ chem91 skunkVA / chem sis cuts... tres dawg, stardawg, onycd, guava IX, etc. or even sour diesel... not really interested in O.G. kushes... no offense, i'm sure they're quality... i just don't respond well to those strains for whatever reason. might be the high myrcene, idk.)

smoke reports, thoughts/ experiences in general, etc.???

please and thank you.

(i'm really all about sativas, but something about the chem family... they hit the right buttons in terms of relief, but can also be MADLY psychedelic/ trance inducing. the only modern commercial hybrids i love tend to be related to chemdog.)

Sounds interesting, keep us posted from your side.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

i made it with the malawi

it should be g13xchem91 X malawi

 

[Creeperpark]

Damn, those look good friend. You brought the best out of those plants.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

this selection was made by my friend @Solon so the nice words for the excellent grow should be directed to him,

few more phenos he found:

 

[goingrey]

I'm growing ACE Honduras regs alongside Sour Ripper (Ripper Seeds) and Dinachem (Dinafem) right now. Might do a "Hondiesel" and a "Chemduras" hehe, we'll see.

 

[Sensistar42]

I'm growing ACE Honduras regs alongside Sour Ripper (Ripper Seeds) and Dinachem (Dinafem) right now. Might do a "Hondiesel" and a "Chemduras" hehe, we'll see.

I was going to do this with my honduras to dracarys (gg4xbubba) but decided against it. I’ll use the China yunnan and keep it clean feelings instead.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

I think chemdog genes have got to be the most overrated in the game. Mostly garlic terpenes. Not Fuel. Not Gas. Not Diesel etc especially if comparing to Sour D. The smoke is nice and sedating but nothing special. Hard to believe chems are even related to the best OG kushes or ORIGINAL NY Sour Diesel 2005 era imo. Sorry for the rant but anything from Ace crossed to chems would make me cringe

 

[nepalnt21]

terpenes

personally, i can't think of anything better in terms of your modern commercial hybrids you can find at your standard dispensary. by far.

i used to be able to find some ace malawi crosses (including golden tiger) at the dispensaries, but not in a few years.

now that ace flowers have gone the way of the dodo at the dispos, and with surplus of boring modern commercial hybrids, not much else comes close to the smells (terp profile) of the chemdog varities (imo), nor the effects.

this really highlights how subjective the cannabis experience is.

there are a few others that have high caryphyllene and moderate to low myrcene, but the chemdogs are fairly consistent.

and nothing as of yet gives me that end-of-the-workday decompressing relief while also being pretty darned psychedelic when it wants to be. the perfect hybrid.

as much as i love sour diesel (and yes, i remember the early 2000s east coast redonk dank ass sour d), i think i'd pick certain chemdogs over it. sour diesel tends to have too much myrcene, ime. do love me some sour jack...

 

[nepalnt21]

thanks for the responses, everyone!!

mouthwatering pics up there.

so do the sativas emphasize the trippy/ dense/ kinda dissociative effects that chemdogs seem to have sometimes?

do the chems bring down the soaring highs that the sativas can have? make them more couchlocky? (i rarely get couchlock from various chemdogs, but i know some ppl consider them to be indica heavy hybrids, again... subjective)

 

[dubi]

i've seen a couple of posts talking about crosses between chemdog strains (and close relatives) and ace sativas.

i'm interested in ANY and ALL experiences you guys have hybridizing pure or almost pure ace sativas with chems, diesels... (preferably half n half, not just like 1/12th chem lol, just sayin)

(and i mean the diesels that have a direct connection with the original chem-d/ chem4/ chem91 skunkVA / chem sis cuts... tres dawg, stardawg, onycd, guava IX, etc. or even sour diesel... not really interested in O.G. kushes... no offense, i'm sure they're quality... i just don't respond well to those strains for whatever reason. might be the high myrcene, idk.)

smoke reports, thoughts/ experiences in general, etc.???

please and thank you.

(i'm really all about sativas, but something about the chem family... they hit the right buttons in terms of relief, but can also be MADLY psychedelic/ trance inducing. the only modern commercial hybrids i love tend to be related to chemdog.)

Hi @nepalnt21 Many good hybrids could be created by crossing our sativas with diesels and chems, but it's the last thing I would be interested in. Recently, I've become more acquainted with many elite USA clones, and they all taste more or less like diesel, chem, or whatever you like to call it. Strains with a Diesel terpene profile have replaced the generic Dutch sweet Skunk from the 90s. Both are generic to me. The first time you encounter the Diesel terpene profile, it's nice because it's loud and refined, but if you only have such strains to smoke, it becomes boring, both in terms of flavor and effect.

 

[nepalnt21]

@dubi

i totally see your point, that's how i feel about all the different cookies strains and relatives, and og kushes (plus i don't like how og kushes typically make me feel).

even though i've been smoking on diesels and chems for almost twenty years, i still am in love with em. i guess it just works with my personal brain chemistry.

even at the dispensary, i typically only get some kinda chem or a relative, and have for years. sometimes mag landrace, a good clear minded, relaxing indica with lots of caryophyllene.

cheers!

 

[Sensistar42]

Hi @nepalnt21 Many good hybrids could be created by crossing our sativas with diesels and chems, but it's the last thing I would be interested in. Recently, I've become more acquainted with many elite USA clones, and they all taste more or less like diesel, chem, or whatever you like to call it. Strains with a Diesel terpene profile have replaced the generic Dutch sweet Skunk from the 90s. Both are generic to me. The first time you encounter the Diesel terpene profile, it's nice because it's loud and refined, but if you only have such strains to smoke, it becomes boring, both in terms of flavor and effect.

Hey dubi, from an outside perspective looking at America. Have there been any that catch your eye as far as the elites that you’ve tried lately? Or just bland generic kind of weed?

 

[dubi]

Hey dubi, from an outside perspective looking at America. Have there been any that catch your eye as far as the elites that you’ve tried lately? Or just bland generic kind of weed?

I'n not an expert on the new modern American indica elite hybrids, i have tried around 10 or so, and yeah they look amazing, ultra dense flowers, smells are generic Diesel-Kushy with slight differences between them. Effects are potent, but develp quickly high tolerance, even changing from clone to clone to smoke, all are highly related.

In my opinion, Nevil's indicas were superior in potency and terpenes. Black Domina 98 blows away in potency modern American indicas, and first Maple release was way superior in terpenes too, ultra loud exotic musky-baby shit terpenes. Old American Bubba Kush and OG Kush were really really good. The rest after that, not much impressed for what is mostly important: effect. And the yield of the this new American breds is mediocre, one medium size ball here and there, not the big colas and high yields of good old Dutch-American breds from the 90s.

 

[Sensistar42]

I'n not an expert on the new modern American indica elite hybrids, i have tried around 10 or so, and yeah they look amazing, ultra dense flowers, smells are generic Diesel-Kushy with slight differences between them. Effects are potent, but develp quickly high tolerance, even changing from clone to clone to smoke, all are highly related.

In my opinion, Nevil's indicas were superior in potency and terpenes. Black Domina 98 blows away in potency modern American indicas, and first Maple release was way superior in terpenes too, ultra loud exotic musky-baby shit terpenes. Old American Bubba Kush and OG Kush were really really good. The rest after that, not much impressed for what is mostly important: effect. And the yield of the this new American breds is mediocre, one medium size ball here and there, not the big colas and high yields of good old Dutch-American breds from the 90s.

Sounds spot on! it’s nice to hear it from people in other countries as well.

 

[Greencedar]

I mostly grow ace gear and have grown both indica and sativa lines from them. Recently I grew out Stardawg (Corey and Guava cuts) and a Triangle kush. The stardawg buds were a decent size, mostly the tops. Smell and taste were really loud and it’s very blissful and kills pain instantly without much couch lock sleepy effects. It’s very euphoric compared to a lot of the American stuff I’ve tried at the shops (mostly cookies bottlenecked stuff these days in Canada). I’ve mixed it with Panama bangi haze in joints and the effects are really intoxicating and strong. I do find the highs stomp all over each other a bit and I’ve noticed this in some poly hybrids. Too many different terpenes and the high gets muddled. I generally find that ace sativas have a more euphoric or soaring highs and also have simpler terpene profiles (loud but a bit simpler like lemon/incense or onion/cedar etc). I feel like some of the older SSSC stuff was similar in this way.

I’m not a breeder whatsoever but I did reverse the stardawg cuts and have thought about trying to make some seeds with ace gear but I think I’d be disappointed in the end for the reasons above. My main reason would be to get some of ace’s structure in the plants. I really don’t like the way the stardawgs grow. Ace’s bubba crosses had amazing structure as do most of the other main strains I’ve tried (Malawi, bangi haze, Kali china, nep jam, Panama etc etc). I’ve had some really greasy ace strains (some of the OTH and crosses) that would complement chems but then you have effects that are polar opposites so I wonder if they would just cancel each other out somewhat?

I got some freebie Dragon Flame Gentics seeds (orange dragon rider) that I believe are Malawi/bangi haze x purple kush and planted a seed outdoor. Structure is all ace from what I can see. It’ll be interesting to see it finish. It’s supposed to be super mold resistant which is important here. I’ll take some pics today of it.

I’m interested to hear how other people feel about the effects in these hybrids.

 

[nepalnt21]

i also do the mixing strains thing.

right now i have guava ix (top dawg's stardawg with the guava cut stardawg In-X'd back into it) and i mix it with either this dutch nl/haze type (introspective, cold, a bit uppy but develops into a drifty and hazy hybrid type effect, kinda sleepy on the back end),

or cherry chem (clear minded and relaxing but not lethargic) if i need some relaxation and relief (and i have another strong indica of unknown origin).

stardawg alone, i agree, does this:

blissful and kills pain instantly without much couch lock sleepy effects. It’s very euphoric compared to a lot of the American stuff I’ve tried at the shops

and i don't develop tolerance to it (not much, not like other strains... which if i use everyday, they do nothing after awhile).

i find different ratios of different strains can keep things going and still change things up. but i prefer the guava incross stardawg alone if i just want to get very high but also medicated and i don't wanna be lazy.

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with all that said, back when i found legit sativa leaning hybrids (or even real deal ace sativas) at the dispos, i'd mix a clear minded sativa(oid) strain with a stardawg or tres dawg (etc.) and have the most wonderful high (dissociative in a way, still high but not at all anxious or tired and with amazing visual vibrance and just... amazing in every way.)

i was thinking that maybe breeding a panama (or like malpan or some other supposedly dreamy ace sativa) to a stardawg or something chemD and / or chem4) i like might could produce a seriously amazing dreamy hybrid.

might also be a dead end, but idk.

i'd also like to create some strains with previously unheard of levels of caryophyllene, speaking of dreaming lol

 

[Greencedar]

Here’s the Orange Dragon Rider from Dragon Flame Genetics. “Nimbus 2000 "Purple racey broomstick pheno" x Amber Dragon.” I think they crossed Malawi and bangi haze and did a selection (nibus 2000) and crossed it to a purple kush. Not much info out there besides that. I had to light dep. it and it wasn’t very mildew/mold resistant and had to chop a bit early. I’ve tested a bud and the high is a bit racy and hits fast. Has the Malawi soaring quality. Had a cat piss smell which is weird considering the parents. I’ve had more of that with Thai than Africans. Settles out into a bliss/relaxed state. Typical indica-sativa hybrid high.

It’s cool how fast it budded up and the initial sativa effect is good but I can see what Dubi means when he talked about crossing these sativas and not getting a proper long flowering sativa high. I prefer straight Malawi. So much so I just popped 3 Malawis fems and a Zamaldelica fem for my winter cycle.

Late August ODR outdoor, 20gal living soil, 42N
(green mountain grape in the background)

 

[Greencedar]

i also do the mixing strains thing.

right now i have guava ix (top dawg's stardawg with the guava cut stardawg In-X'd back into it) and i mix it with either this dutch nl/haze type (introspective, cold, a bit uppy but develops into a drifty and hazy hybrid type effect, kinda sleepy on the back end),

or cherry chem (clear minded and relaxing but not lethargic) if i need some relaxation and relief (and i have another strong indica of unknown origin).

stardawg alone, i agree, does this:

and i don't develop tolerance to it (not much, not like other strains... which if i use everyday, they do nothing after awhile).

i find different ratios of different strains can keep things going and still change things up. but i prefer the guava incross stardawg alone if i just want to get very high but also medicated and i don't wanna be lazy.

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with all that said, back when i found legit sativa leaning hybrids (or even real deal ace sativas) at the dispos, i'd mix a clear minded sativa(oid) strain with a stardawg or tres dawg (etc.) and have the most wonderful high (dissociative in a way, still high but not at all anxious or tired and with amazing visual vibrance and just... amazing in every way.)

i was thinking that maybe breeding a panama (or like malpan or some other supposedly dreamy ace sativa) to a stardawg or something chemD and / or chem4) i like might could produce a seriously amazing dreamy hybrid.

might also be a dead end, but idk.

i'd also like to create some strains with previously unheard of levels of caryophyllene, speaking of dreaming lol

Sounds like we’re on similar paths. I’ve had very similar experiences and have a similar interest. If the cross could create that type of high, with the no veg time (sativa) and better structure from all of Dubi’s work it would be a fun and easy plant to grow. But yeah, they could easily trample all over each other and become another generic cross.

There’s been a couple nights where I’ve lit a Panama Bangi Haze and a stardawg joint with a couple friends and pass them both around. Mostly at set breaks at concerts. Man, does that fuck you right up. Higher than both strains alone. Probably the most high I’ve been besides the one Malawi I grew that was just crazy. The combo has a really nice come down that I prefer over Malawi. So happy and blissful, almost like a Mexican but with a bit more potency.

I’m planing on looking through Vermontmans gear (Zacatecas tribute) for a male for some outdoor work but will stick a stardawg clone in there just for kicks and see what comes out of it. The terps will match up forsure. I’m not sure it will be we trippy as the PBH though. I have a couple packs of PBH regs that I want to look at closely but that won’t be for a year or two. I’m growing Malawi fems now and might try to reverse one. Time will tell but I’ll post up if things work out.