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Absolute Amber from Banana Silver Ladyboys
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I had a couple questions before i do a 2 oz run of budder into amber
I want to use 16 mason jars with 3.5g of budder in each,60ml of everclear per jar fill dissolve,freeze,filter the budder,
and i wanted to pour it all back into 1 container would the 60ml hold the same volume of resin?
i hope this made sense, a bit medicated
I want to use 16 mason jars with 3.5g of budder in each,60ml of everclear per jar fill dissolve,freeze,filter the budder,
and i wanted to pour it all back into 1 container would the 60ml hold the same volume of resin?
i hope this made sense, a bit medicated
Don't pour them all together, Evap each 3.5 individually and it will go much smoother, unless you have a huge piece of glass to evap on. Thin fim purging FTW!
Hey KiefSweat , thank you!
In my opinion, the solution with a concentration of 5.8% (= 3.5 g/60ml) or 17ml of ethanol per gram of resin is too thick and viscous for effective filtration.
When we talk about the evaporation of a thin layer, it is about the thickness of the layer of resin, not the solution.
Try to reduce the concentration, add a little more ethanol.
At the moment you plan to use 960ml it may be worth taking the risk of investing in another bottle.
This will reduce the thickness of the layer of resin on the evaporator and the product will be more optically clear.
Although your samples shown look great!
Hey slimjoint ! 56 grams of budder .. I have not had experience with so many.
In my opinion, the solution with a concentration of 5.8% (= 3.5 g/60ml) or 17ml of ethanol per gram of resin is too thick and viscous for effective filtration.
When we talk about the evaporation of a thin layer, it is about the thickness of the layer of resin, not the solution.
Try to reduce the concentration, add a little more ethanol.
At the moment you plan to use 960ml it may be worth taking the risk of investing in another bottle.
This will reduce the thickness of the layer of resin on the evaporator and the product will be more optically clear.
Although your samples shown look great!
Opacity >>> Transparency
I think that the opacity does not worsen the consumer properties of the extract, except for the aesthetics of its appearance.
Impressive thread. So much knowledge in here.
Jump you really have helped out the community. I know I am now dabbing CLEAN concentrates thanks to methods like this!
Cheers!
JL
Jump you really have helped out the community. I know I am now dabbing CLEAN concentrates thanks to methods like this!
Cheers!
JL
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Shatter
Shatter
Last harvest I cut up a single freshly harvested plant and washed it with 190 proof ethanol. I had never used fresh material before, only dried, so I was curious. I keep my washes short and the material & ethanol are both frozen. This is the warm oil getting collected.
I usually roll the oil globs into thin rolls as it cools down and becomes workable. When I have most of the oil in rolls on the pyrex, I put the pan into the freezer and let it get rock hard. When it comes out, I break it with a tap from the scraper and then with frozen tweezers I put the little pill-sized oil shards into vials. This pic is of a frozen roll that's about to be smashed & shattered.
In the past I've tried double washes of acetone/ethanol, then gave up the acetone wash because it's nasty and I didn't want to deal with it. Now I use only ethanol and the product is almost the same, but it's much easier to make as I can do the filtering process inside. This product made with fresh frozen material is nicer than what I usually make with dry material, but fresh plants don't compact very well so they need a lot of ethanol to be washed. For now I'll be sticking to dried material. I can fit quite a bit of ground up bud in a quart jar, but if it's fresh, not so much.
All in all it was a fun experiment and I was thrilled with the yield of this one tiny plant. It was a 15" tall LAC in a 1/2-gallon pot, yet with only the fan leaves removed the plant as a whole yielded over an eight of oil. That's quite a haul from such a tiny gal. I wish I had known about this back when I was growing with a 250 HPS. . . I could have made my small harvests last twice as long by washing it.
Shatter
Last harvest I cut up a single freshly harvested plant and washed it with 190 proof ethanol. I had never used fresh material before, only dried, so I was curious. I keep my washes short and the material & ethanol are both frozen. This is the warm oil getting collected.
I usually roll the oil globs into thin rolls as it cools down and becomes workable. When I have most of the oil in rolls on the pyrex, I put the pan into the freezer and let it get rock hard. When it comes out, I break it with a tap from the scraper and then with frozen tweezers I put the little pill-sized oil shards into vials. This pic is of a frozen roll that's about to be smashed & shattered.
In the past I've tried double washes of acetone/ethanol, then gave up the acetone wash because it's nasty and I didn't want to deal with it. Now I use only ethanol and the product is almost the same, but it's much easier to make as I can do the filtering process inside. This product made with fresh frozen material is nicer than what I usually make with dry material, but fresh plants don't compact very well so they need a lot of ethanol to be washed. For now I'll be sticking to dried material. I can fit quite a bit of ground up bud in a quart jar, but if it's fresh, not so much.
All in all it was a fun experiment and I was thrilled with the yield of this one tiny plant. It was a 15" tall LAC in a 1/2-gallon pot, yet with only the fan leaves removed the plant as a whole yielded over an eight of oil. That's quite a haul from such a tiny gal. I wish I had known about this back when I was growing with a 250 HPS. . . I could have made my small harvests last twice as long by washing it.
Nice color and clarity!
Hear, hear! An under stated gentleman and a scholar, who has opened my eyes and made me think!
just want to also thank you jump for the help. been making tons of amber, next batch if i have the time i will take photos.
figured out somewhat of a method to produce in more mass.
i take mason jars fill it up with 3.5g of wax, fill it up with grain alch so it can dissolve. freeze them and then use 4 pots with pyrex dish ontop of each one , i can get about a half oz of amber per hour
figured out somewhat of a method to produce in more mass.
i take mason jars fill it up with 3.5g of wax, fill it up with grain alch so it can dissolve. freeze them and then use 4 pots with pyrex dish ontop of each one , i can get about a half oz of amber per hour
just wanted to drop in and let you know thanks for all the info, pictures, graphs. I dont think we could say it enough!
Jump is a russian resin god
Jump is a russian resin god
cascadia glass
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wow, great thread! i just read all 35 pages, and learned quite a bit - thanks to all who have contributed, esp. jump and graywolf.
so, i have a question about the teapot/thermos method.... I have tried this before when i first heard about it, as it sounded like a more effective extraction method than column extractions, but what I found was that although my vessel(mason jar) and material were frozen, and on an ice bath, the butane would almost immediately evaporate after being expelled into the jar, before saturating the material. Am I missing something? I only tried a couple of runs before going back to column extractions and haven't experimented more. Seems like the thermos would work better...
so, i have a question about the teapot/thermos method.... I have tried this before when i first heard about it, as it sounded like a more effective extraction method than column extractions, but what I found was that although my vessel(mason jar) and material were frozen, and on an ice bath, the butane would almost immediately evaporate after being expelled into the jar, before saturating the material. Am I missing something? I only tried a couple of runs before going back to column extractions and haven't experimented more. Seems like the thermos would work better...
Unless it is below freezing where you live, I suggest using a thermos. If you start with the thermos, butane, and plant material at -18C/0F, it should last for several hours without boiling away.
Persephone
Member
An absolutely first class thread.....
Thanks Jump, and everyone else that has contributed!
Thanks Jump, and everyone else that has contributed!
Arkady2300
Member
Your even going to notice a difference if you can get the materials close to 0C/32F, the initial off-gassing is much less violent.
Persephone
Member
Ha!
How did you know I'd be making some amber....
Persephone
Member
So, I should of added this to the above post too...
Didn't really weigh anything out.....just worked by volumes...
Started by saturating a 10 Litre bucket (approx 1 Kg), worth of fresh frosty trim, with what I have here labelled as Petroleum Ether 40 / 60.
The whole operation was done in a cool room,at about 4C,the trim was washed a quarter bucket a time, for 15 minutes, in what started as 2.5 litres of Pet Ether.....once washed, I let it drain naturally, didn't want to wring it out.
I then evaporated off the solution at 60 c, and was left with approximately 25ml of a beautiful thick amber oil.
Redissolved that into approx 200 ml of 95% ethyl alcohol, winterised, and reevaporated the alcohol out at 80C.....
Was left with what you see....
Below 10 C it can be handled,and will break like glass.... it will soon warm up though, and become extremely sticky....Id say it's the consistency of fresh resin amber from a pine tree or the likes!
I didn't purge via a thin film, I don't believe it'll get to be totally hard even if I do....I did try a smaller amount in a thin film purge, but it didn't make any difference....may be something strain related.
I quite like the taste when I dissolve a small amount in my mouth...very nice subtle stone too!
Didn't really weigh anything out.....just worked by volumes...
Started by saturating a 10 Litre bucket (approx 1 Kg), worth of fresh frosty trim, with what I have here labelled as Petroleum Ether 40 / 60.
The whole operation was done in a cool room,at about 4C,the trim was washed a quarter bucket a time, for 15 minutes, in what started as 2.5 litres of Pet Ether.....once washed, I let it drain naturally, didn't want to wring it out.
I then evaporated off the solution at 60 c, and was left with approximately 25ml of a beautiful thick amber oil.
Redissolved that into approx 200 ml of 95% ethyl alcohol, winterised, and reevaporated the alcohol out at 80C.....
Was left with what you see....
Below 10 C it can be handled,and will break like glass.... it will soon warm up though, and become extremely sticky....Id say it's the consistency of fresh resin amber from a pine tree or the likes!
I didn't purge via a thin film, I don't believe it'll get to be totally hard even if I do....I did try a smaller amount in a thin film purge, but it didn't make any difference....may be something strain related.
I quite like the taste when I dissolve a small amount in my mouth...very nice subtle stone too!
So, I should of added this to the above post too...
Didn't really weigh anything out.....just worked by volumes...
Started by saturating a 10 Litre bucket (approx 1 Kg), worth of fresh frosty trim, with what I have here labelled as Petroleum Ether 40 / 60.
The whole operation was done in a cool room,at about 4C,the trim was washed a quarter bucket a time, for 15 minutes, in what started as 2.5 litres of Pet Ether.....once washed, I let it drain naturally, didn't want to wring it out.
I then evaporated off the solution at 60 c, and was left with approximately 25ml of a beautiful thick amber oil.
Redissolved that into approx 200 ml of 95% ethyl alcohol, winterised, and reevaporated the alcohol out at 80C.....
Was left with what you see....
Below 10 C it can be handled,and will break like glass.... it will soon warm up though, and become extremely sticky....Id say it's the consistency of fresh resin amber from a pine tree or the likes!
I didn't purge via a thin film, I don't believe it'll get to be totally hard even if I do....I did try a smaller amount in a thin film purge, but it didn't make any difference....may be something strain related.
I quite like the taste when I dissolve a small amount in my mouth...very nice subtle stone too!
Good job! 40/60C Pet ether should be mostly Pentane, which does a pristine extraction.
