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Absolute Amber from Banana Silver Ladyboys
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Whats up fellow extractors, I have been lurking on here for a LONG time, haha. I apologize for not chiming in sooner, I was too busy absorbing all of your wise information! And I must say, the people around me are impressed. I wanted to just jump in the convo 1st to say thanks and post a couple pics of my product
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Ok Now down to business. I have a question that I was hoping to get a lil help with and I truly apologize for the length of the post... I do this alot, lol. I just place value on including all the details, haha. So here we go!
I thought my technique was finally dialed after getting consistently impressive results, so I was done "playing around".... 2g here, 3g there, now I am trying to make runs that are between 1/2oz up to a full oz of concrete which was destined to become AA.
So I found that with the smallest batches, I could scrape my product off the pyrex and it was rock solid, It would literally chip off the razor (as seen in pic 2 from prev post), and sometimes I'd have to heat the pyrex just to get the AA soft enough to scrape up otherwise it would chip and fly across the room! (Im sure you've all dealt with THAT. Minor yet horrifying, lol). But I found that if I try to do a run in any type of quantity, not even 1/2oz, but Im talkin like even 5-7g, the thinnest parts DO evap completely, yet right next to my "shard", I will scrape up the only-slightly-thicker puddle which is still oily/sticky/alcoholy. No matter how long I leave it out, even for a week at 100*F, the part that pools thicker NEVER thins out to evaporate. It is almost like it forms a hard "skin" layer on top which creates surface tension and prevents anything underneath from ever evaporating. I try to use the biggest drying dish possible, but it doesnt matter, it still happens with big enough batches. I have played around trying to address this and not had great results.
I took a razor and cut a checkerboard pattern into the oil with the intention of cutting the "skin" on top to allow it to spread. All I did was introduce air, which I think caused it to turn pasty and opaque, no longer transparent (this didnt happen for a few days, but it DID transform into a new consistency eventually)
I considered using a spatula to manually redistribute the Etoh mixture consistently across the pyrex, but havent tried yet because I expect to get the same result as the "checkerboard" attempt.
Lastly, AND most effectively, (but still not to satisfaction), I have discovered a way to deal with it, but it still needs improvement: So I take this obviously solvent-rich product and put it under vac pressure (roughly 24-25hg...$200 pump from harbor freight, NOT high quality, and Im in CO where the air is more thin). It is still pretty thick and viscous, just not AA, so the vac takes atleast a whole day before much action occurs, but you can see it clearly does pull and expand, just veeeery slowly, and when you open the chamber, it smells like a shot of booze slaps you in the face, so I know its working, lol. But here is my issue, once this happens, its consistency has changed, it looks almost like a "budder" version of amber, it looks kinda like marmalade, and it seems soft, not AA consistency. HOWEVER, if I heat THAT up just enough to melt it down, it melts into a clear oil just as you would expect, and when it cools, it snaps in half just like AA, I meant at this point, it IS AA. But I have to melt it down to make it that way.
So if I do a big batch, I can purge it completely, however the vacuum process changes it's physical appearance. The only thing I have to do to turn it into amber now is melt it down from its "marmalade" state and it cools as "glass", but this seems like an unnecessary step. We all strive to use as little heat as possible for the sake of the terpenes, so to "cook" it down just to change its appearance seems like I am reducing quality to increase the "appearance" of quality, which seems more like vanity... Am I crazy? Is there a better way for large scale amber production? Does anyone have any insight on this?
Whew, thanks for baring with me on that. SO long story short, I do have a large scale method for purging and it works, so there is THAT method, but if there are other techniques for larger scale extractions, your insight would be greatly appreciated.
I thought my technique was finally dialed after getting consistently impressive results, so I was done "playing around".... 2g here, 3g there, now I am trying to make runs that are between 1/2oz up to a full oz of concrete which was destined to become AA.
So I found that with the smallest batches, I could scrape my product off the pyrex and it was rock solid, It would literally chip off the razor (as seen in pic 2 from prev post), and sometimes I'd have to heat the pyrex just to get the AA soft enough to scrape up otherwise it would chip and fly across the room! (Im sure you've all dealt with THAT. Minor yet horrifying, lol). But I found that if I try to do a run in any type of quantity, not even 1/2oz, but Im talkin like even 5-7g, the thinnest parts DO evap completely, yet right next to my "shard", I will scrape up the only-slightly-thicker puddle which is still oily/sticky/alcoholy. No matter how long I leave it out, even for a week at 100*F, the part that pools thicker NEVER thins out to evaporate. It is almost like it forms a hard "skin" layer on top which creates surface tension and prevents anything underneath from ever evaporating. I try to use the biggest drying dish possible, but it doesnt matter, it still happens with big enough batches. I have played around trying to address this and not had great results.
I took a razor and cut a checkerboard pattern into the oil with the intention of cutting the "skin" on top to allow it to spread. All I did was introduce air, which I think caused it to turn pasty and opaque, no longer transparent (this didnt happen for a few days, but it DID transform into a new consistency eventually)
I considered using a spatula to manually redistribute the Etoh mixture consistently across the pyrex, but havent tried yet because I expect to get the same result as the "checkerboard" attempt.
Lastly, AND most effectively, (but still not to satisfaction), I have discovered a way to deal with it, but it still needs improvement: So I take this obviously solvent-rich product and put it under vac pressure (roughly 24-25hg...$200 pump from harbor freight, NOT high quality, and Im in CO where the air is more thin). It is still pretty thick and viscous, just not AA, so the vac takes atleast a whole day before much action occurs, but you can see it clearly does pull and expand, just veeeery slowly, and when you open the chamber, it smells like a shot of booze slaps you in the face, so I know its working, lol. But here is my issue, once this happens, its consistency has changed, it looks almost like a "budder" version of amber, it looks kinda like marmalade, and it seems soft, not AA consistency. HOWEVER, if I heat THAT up just enough to melt it down, it melts into a clear oil just as you would expect, and when it cools, it snaps in half just like AA, I meant at this point, it IS AA. But I have to melt it down to make it that way.
So if I do a big batch, I can purge it completely, however the vacuum process changes it's physical appearance. The only thing I have to do to turn it into amber now is melt it down from its "marmalade" state and it cools as "glass", but this seems like an unnecessary step. We all strive to use as little heat as possible for the sake of the terpenes, so to "cook" it down just to change its appearance seems like I am reducing quality to increase the "appearance" of quality, which seems more like vanity... Am I crazy? Is there a better way for large scale amber production? Does anyone have any insight on this?
Whew, thanks for baring with me on that. SO long story short, I do have a large scale method for purging and it works, so there is THAT method, but if there are other techniques for larger scale extractions, your insight would be greatly appreciated.
Iluvheadies
New member
can you jus run a batch of bho through a tube extractor, water and vaccum purge it. Then pour the 190 proof in the pyrex dish with the oil and freeze etc. and get same results as soaking
Hey eyezla!
Thank you for your interesting report and beautiful pictures of the recognizable and very dear to my heart AAmber nuggets.
The description of your experiences reinforced my opinion that the most effective method is the evaporation of large quantities of multiple recurrence of small portions.
The truth is, the layer thickness is certainly a very important parameter of purging of AA.
Thanks for the Replies guys! Its too bad we have all run into the same issue with larger extractions. I am going to keep racking my brain now that we have all run into the same stumbling block. I may eventually come up with something new to contribute, cause I really want to figure out a way to make it more efficiently. The only idea I've thought of so far, which isnt the most practical (but i suspect would still work fine) would be just to spread the Etoh mix more thinly across a larger surface such as a full length mirror or sliding glass door....its just too big, I cant really do that in my living room, or bedroom, I dont' know where I would even set that up, ha. I will continue to try to improve the method tho, and I'll keep everyone posted if I come up with something genius. I value all the work you have done so I hope to repay the favor some day with a new technique for us all to help crank out huge batches!
shakenstar
Member
Happy 4/20 to all the aa lovers out there!!!
cheers
cheers
Happy 4/20 to all the aa lovers out there!!!
Hee, hee, hee, nice job, keep those creations rolling............
Thanks! I left it under vacuum until it was back to 75f and then it just held the shape. It has been two days and its still exactly the same shapeHey hammalamma!
It looks very nice and original.
Consistency of porous bread makes me think of a vacuum or a whipping,
please tell me how you got it,.
Taste is really good. Not sure of the strain but I think its og or chem. After I sprayed the tubes I let it purge in the sun for like four hours and kept temps as low as possible. I think the darker color is from the fact this was made with low quality trim that sat around before it got ran. Very strong too, I took a reg. sized rip yesterday morning and was almost uncomfortable high.
Iluvheadies
New member
I have about 3 grams of butter liquified in 190 Everclear sitting in the freezer right now. the Cup is open should i put a lid on it in the freezer? after i strain it, im going to put it on water at 200F. How long should i leave it on the water at that temp? Should i vacuum purge it after that?
Hey Iluvheadies!
I see no other significant reasons for closing the lid on 190 Everclear in the freezer,
except only that cover protects against accidental spills and foreign objects.
It makes sense to do when filtering for protection against condensation of atmospheric moisture on contact with warm moist air.
Temperature 200 provides fast boiling of ethanol from melted resin.
In the simultaneous treatment of 3 g of the resin layer is quite thick and perhaps the use of the vacuum will be useful,
as recently demonstrated hammalamma. Beautiful picture,!
In this case the end of the evaporation of ethanol can be determined visually, puddle of solution decreases, leaving a fixed bed of resin.
I see no other significant reasons for closing the lid on 190 Everclear in the freezer,
except only that cover protects against accidental spills and foreign objects.
It makes sense to do when filtering for protection against condensation of atmospheric moisture on contact with warm moist air.
Temperature 200 provides fast boiling of ethanol from melted resin.
In the simultaneous treatment of 3 g of the resin layer is quite thick and perhaps the use of the vacuum will be useful,
as recently demonstrated hammalamma. Beautiful picture,
!But if the solution is evaporated in small portions ~0.5 g, ethanol can easily leave the thin layer of resin without the help of a vacuum.
In this case the end of the evaporation of ethanol can be determined visually, puddle of solution decreases, leaving a fixed bed of resin.
Just wanted to thank Jump again for bringing this to our attention.
Been busy for about 8 days making amber.
Yesterday's run of about an oz of bruce banner #5, I am very proud of this. It just came out incredible all around if you ask me. Has the smoothness and the flavor and showing off a jar of rocks feels pretty good too.
you can see the different colors and almost texture, was playing around bit with heat and cold scrapping etc (its not autobudder)
Been busy for about 8 days making amber.
Yesterday's run of about an oz of bruce banner #5, I am very proud of this. It just came out incredible all around if you ask me. Has the smoothness and the flavor and showing off a jar of rocks feels pretty good too.
you can see the different colors and almost texture, was playing around bit with heat and cold scrapping etc (its not autobudder)
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