A question for the butter experts...

[HempKat]

I was wondering if any of you out there have tried making canna butter from iso hash rather then the more traditional way and if so, how did it work out?

I was thinking about this a while back because what has always been a problem for me when making canna butter the more traditional way (boiling resin from trim and allowing it to be absorbed by the butter) always gives the butter a "green" look, taste and smell. It's this "green" taste and smell that most people I know who say they don't like edibles, complain about the most. I myself don't care much for it either.

So I got to thinking. QWIso is a way basically seperating the resin from the plant and then allowing it to reform when the ISO evaporates. If done well this should be fairly free of contaiminants and shouldn't have that "green" appearence that comes from the chlorophyll in the plant. Another big issue in making canna butter is if you do a big batch (5 or more pounds of butter) then you'll have a house that reeks of weed for several hours. Not the "Oh man someone is smoking something good" reek either but more like, "Smells like someone is smoking some ditchweed" kind of reek. Well if the plant matter is removed in the QWIso phase then you shouldn't have anything "green" in there to give it that ditchweed smell and being resin you won't have to boil it for so long to get it integrated with the butter, so it shouldn't stink the place up so much. Also if there are any impurities left in the QWIso from the alcohol they should end up getting seperated in the process of getting the resin incorporated in the butter.

So has anyone tried this yet? Did it remove the "green" aspect of butter for you? Was there any sense of loss to you? In other words did you feel butter made this way isn't as good as butter made the more traditional way?

 

[supermanlives]

tried it once and loved it. was from a quick 15 second rinse. couldnt taste a thing . way better than the old way using weed.using an extract to make butter is about as good as it gets

 

[HempKat]

tried it once and loved it. was from a quick 15 second rinse. couldnt taste a thing . way better than the old way using weed.using an extract to make butter is about as good as it gets

Then why have you tried it only once?

 

[Xerhoss]

This was one of the next experiments in my personal line up.

Last time i made butter from BHO, but it still had the propensity to turn green.

Then why have you tried it only once?

 

[dubwise]

We do it this way every couple of months....this works great but the budder does kinda have a greenish tint to it. No odd flavors, we use it in lots of tasty treats.

 

[supermanlives]

Then why have you tried it only once?

i preferr to smoke . when i make edibles i tend to loose control and over do it. i actually like the buzz better from smoking too

 

[HempKat]

i preferr to smoke . when i make edibles i tend to loose control and over do it. i actually like the buzz better from smoking too

I hear you there, I was just giving you a hard time. I'm kind of the same way too. Eating it is okay once in a blue moon but I'd much rather smoke it.

 

[HempKat]

To those who say they get a green tint still, try not letting it stay in the Iso for any more then 20 seconds and I've heard it said also that chilling the iso in the freezer first before washing your trim or whatever, will cut down on the greenness. I've not tried the chilling method myself though. Also if you can do it with trim that hasn't been sifted or crushed up to fine before hand you shouldn't get so much green. Good QWIso should be a golden brown or amber color.

Now in the case of BHO, there's probably not much to control that other then how crushed up the material you're using it on is. I don't mess with BHO myself as I just don't think it's worth it (cost and potential hazards).

 

[zen_trikester]

Have you considered a 2nd wash with your butter? that is to say after you make butter by the conventional way with water and butter, have you ever taken the butter and put it into more water, reheated and then separated a 2nd time?

That is the best butter imho. If you are using hash you are really not getting everything you would get from your plant matter. Depends a little on what you are cooking too. Normal cannabutter in brownies normally goes unnoticed IME but if you use your butter in something that doesn't have such strong flavors it is harder to cover up the canna. That is when the double water separation thing works pretty well.

 

[Grow Tech]

Have you considered doing a water cure on your herb before making butter the "normal" way.

I have done ISO in the past...and will probably do it again but something bugs me about using ISO since it's poisonus. Before someone drops the tool box....I know you can purge the stuff out but...Lets just say it bugged me enough to track down a case of 190 proof Everclear that I use for tinctures or alcohol extractions that I put in edibles. Only problem is, Everclear isn't exactly cheep.

For most of my edibles I use the Black Out Bud Butter recipe from Dr Jay. I've found the right recipe will allow you to incorporate quite a strong dose of green butter without tasting like youre eating lawn clippings

This one in particular-
http://dozenflours.com/2008/08/matthews-cinnamon-chocolate-chip-cookie.html

takes advantage of both cinnamon & chocolate to bury the taste. Put a spread of peanut butter on the top and the green taste vanishes IMO.

 

[HempKat]

Have you considered doing a water cure on your herb before making butter the "normal" way.

I have done ISO in the past...and will probably do it again but something bugs me about using ISO since it's poisonus. Before someone drops the tool box....I know you can purge the stuff out but...Lets just say it bugged me enough to track down a case of 190 proof Everclear that I use for tinctures or alcohol extractions that I put in edibles. Only problem is, Everclear isn't exactly cheep.

For most of my edibles I use the Black Out Bud Butter recipe from Dr Jay. I've found the right recipe will allow you to incorporate quite a strong dose of green butter without tasting like youre eating lawn clippings

This one in particular-
http://dozenflours.com/2008/08/matthews-cinnamon-chocolate-chip-cookie.html

takes advantage of both cinnamon & chocolate to bury the taste. Put a spread of peanut butter on the top and the green taste vanishes IMO.

Nah I usually make butter from just trim and usually quite a bit of it to where I really wouldn't want to do a water cure on it first. Also one of the goals of my idea to use Iso hash is to get away from boiling the plant matter and stinking up the house in the process. As for the nature of alcohol, I hear you on your concerns although the alcohol should be completely evaporated away and there shouldn't be anything poisonous left behind. There may be some impurities left behind because it's usually not pure alcohol but those impurities should be water soluable and seperate out in the boiling stage.

 

[CaptainTrips]

I tried this last time, and I have to say it seems better. The butter taste better, and the high... it actually seems a bit different, possibly less "stoney". The butter was still green, but it was my first time making iso hash and I kinda messed up and left the alc and weed together too long. The liquid weed/alcohol was dark green... But the butter still taste a lot better compared to making it the traditional way... I just melted the butter into the isohash...

 

[Xerhoss]

something bugs me about using ISO since it's poisonus.

Only problem is, Everclear isn't exactly cheep.

I'm with you on the use of clear. I used my business to obtain an Everclear permit in my state and it's only $12 a fifth here. The 151 on the shelves is $20. So it's quite practical for my purposes.

 

[kannubis]

The MSDS on ISO says that 15ml(3 tsp) would be a possible lethal dose if left untreated. When purged to a gooey consistency, there is way less to worry about than even 5ml in QWISO, especially when it is spread out in dosage amounts. Just my take, not gospel.

 

[Lazyman]

I was wondering if any of you out there have tried making canna butter from iso hash rather then the more traditional way and if so, how did it work out?

I was thinking about this a while back because what has always been a problem for me when making canna butter the more traditional way (boiling resin from trim and allowing it to be absorbed by the butter) always gives the butter a "green" look, taste and smell. It's this "green" taste and smell that most people I know who say they don't like edibles, complain about the most. I myself don't care much for it either.

So I got to thinking. QWIso is a way basically seperating the resin from the plant and then allowing it to reform when the ISO evaporates. If done well this should be fairly free of contaiminants and shouldn't have that "green" appearence that comes from the chlorophyll in the plant. Another big issue in making canna butter is if you do a big batch (5 or more pounds of butter) then you'll have a house that reeks of weed for several hours. Not the "Oh man someone is smoking something good" reek either but more like, "Smells like someone is smoking some ditchweed" kind of reek. Well if the plant matter is removed in the QWIso phase then you shouldn't have anything "green" in there to give it that ditchweed smell and being resin you won't have to boil it for so long to get it integrated with the butter, so it shouldn't stink the place up so much. Also if there are any impurities left in the QWIso from the alcohol they should end up getting seperated in the process of getting the resin incorporated in the butter.

So has anyone tried this yet? Did it remove the "green" aspect of butter for you? Was there any sense of loss to you? In other words did you feel butter made this way isn't as good as butter made the more traditional way?

Yes, I've been advocating this for months! 3-4 grams of oil makes a very strong batch of brownies/cookies/whatever. Just dissolve the alcohol hash in the butter or oil first, and it will have almost zero taste and will destroy people that eat more than a dose!

 

[Lazyman]

The MSDS on ISO says that 15ml(3 tsp) would be a possible lethal dose if left untreated. When purged to a gooey consistency, there is way less to worry about than even 5ml in QWISO, especially when it is spread out in dosage amounts. Just my take, not gospel.

Yep, all of the solvents we commonly used (I use denatured alcohol) have
low boiling points, and when properly made and purged leave no residue.
Well made and purged oil will have ZERO bubbling or chemical smells, and looks like amber glass. If you tilt a hot pan of oil it should move alowly in a single curtain. If you get a double curtain even after lots of tilting, you still have solvent in it. I make 4-6 oz per batch though

 

[303hydro]

I use bubble hash hempkat. I don't like smoking bubble and I have always disliked the essence of edibles made with leaves/green....

The thing is that I used dried bubble hash the crystals won't break down so you still get little brown specs in the butter. I only make chocolate so doesn't matter to me, oil may be the better way to go like Lazyman said. To me its a night and day difference on high, much more focused....

 

[HempKat]

I tried this last time, and I have to say it seems better. The butter taste better, and the high... it actually seems a bit different, possibly less "stoney". The butter was still green, but it was my first time making iso hash and I kinda messed up and left the alc and weed together too long. The liquid weed/alcohol was dark green... But the butter still taste a lot better compared to making it the traditional way... I just melted the butter into the isohash...

When you say you just melted the butter into the iso do you mean you had the iso over a low heat, melted the butter in it and didn't use any water?

 

[HempKat]

Yes, I've been advocating this for months! 3-4 grams of oil makes a very strong batch of brownies/cookies/whatever. Just dissolve the alcohol hash in the butter or oil first, and it will have almost zero taste and will destroy people that eat more than a dose!

When you say dissolve the alcohol hash in the butter or oil first, could you be more specific? Are you saying like I asked in the last post, having the butter on low heat and melting the ISO into it without any use of water?

 

[Anti]

I'm a fan of the double rinse method. One canna-chef recommended doing it three or four times to get butter that looks and tastes like butter, but I was satisfied with the results of only two passes. Very light greenish 'tint' to the butter and almost no flavor in the final product. (Choc. Chip cookies.) 2 had me buzzing pretty good. 3 - nighty night.