A few Different things maybe?

[smokeyMcPOT]

I have a few different things goin on here. Nothin major from the looks of things but wanna nip it in the bud early rather than late. I dont think it's a heat issue so that leaves a nute problem or a PH issue. Any comments or questions qill be appreciated. Thanks for stoppin by


SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing? Satori and Kalichakra from Mandala, Sour Cali from Zepplindood Sour AK-47 (Sour Cali x AK-47) Mine and Sour Bubble (Sour Cali x Bubbleberry) Mine
What was the establishing technique? Seed
What is the age of your plants? Day 35 out of soil (end of week 5)
How Tall are the plants? 6-7 inches
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) End of week 3 Veg
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) SOG
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 4x4 inch
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) Promix with EWC, Perlite, Greensand, and D. Lime
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* Sunleaves Seabird Guano 10-10-2 Alaska Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 Grandmas Molasses and Superthrive
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? Fed PPM of 450 in week 3 and molasses water every watering
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 7.6
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? PH Pen
How often are you watering? Every 3-4 days....when pots lite
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? Week 3 or day 26
What size bulb are you using? 8 26 watt daylight CFL's and 5 42 Watt CFL's
What is the distance to the canopy? was 3" but since added 42 Watt CFL's moved to around 6"
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 31%
What is the canopy temperature? 71 at tops
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 71 lights on and 58 lights off.... 13 degree change
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 180 4" Duct fan
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? Small fan blowing across lights
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? No
Is your water HARD or SOFT? More hard (PPM of tap is 180 PH 6.7)
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Tap Water
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? No
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? None
Are plant's infected with pest's? No

Phosphorus Def? Or PH issue? Sour Cali


Phosphorus Def? Or PH issue? Sour AK-47


Early Phosphorus Def? Sour AK-47


Nitrogen Def? Satori


Nute Burn? Satori


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[sirgrassalot]

What is the age of your plants? Day 35 out of soil (end of week 5)
How Tall are the plants? 6-7 inches
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* Sunleaves Seabird Guano 10-10-2 Alaska Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 Grandmas Molasses and Superthrive
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? Fed PPM of 450 in week 3 and molasses water every watering
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 7.6

Did you feed them all these things together? You also added to the soil. Yes your pH is whacked. All they needed was the 5-1-1

 

[smokeyMcPOT]

No not all at once. I thought I'd experiment a little and fed some the guano and some the 5-1-1. They've all had superthrive once at week 4 and molasses water with every watering. I know the 5-1-1 is acidic so for my next watering I'll feed them and see if that corrects the PH as well as the def's.

 

[MynameStitch]

Fish emulsion is always his answer, you use that in flowering, yes it would fix a nitrogen problem in veg, but when nitrogen problems happen in veg, you will run to other problems too.

The leaves that have the brown spotting and yellowing is nitrogen and phosphorus deficiency, so fish emulsion would NOT have solved the whole problem sirgrass, this is why you are getting yelled at by not only me but by other growers, your advice needs to get better if you want to continue to help out, because you help people even though you have no fucking clue what is going on with the whole problem.

You do that and you lead them down a path that won't fix shit.

The picture you have with the nute burn does look a little burned, but looks old like it happened a while ago.

Superthrive, do not use it no more, use only at transplant at 1 drop per gallon of water. You also do not need to use mollases right now, it's mainly a booster used in flowering. Just use your other nutrients and make sure when you pick them, use one that is complete and keep using that for now and get them on a feeding schdule.

Your pH will need to be fixed before you feed them anything, otherwise they will be showing signed of nutrient burn, because they are sitting in nutrients they can't absorb. How much green sand did you add?
You know that is akaline right?
How much lime did you add? With those 2 added together you made the pH rise too much, your mixture is soiless and the only way to help counter act the akalineity of the soil is either to flush your soil out or get some pH down and use it with everytime you water and check run off to see how much your water has to be acidic to counteract the akalinity in the soil.

 

[sirgrassalot]

I must have miracle plants all they get is 5-1-1 in Veg & grow wonderfully. LoL

 

[smokeyMcPOT]

The leaves that have the brown spotting and yellowing is nitrogen and phosphorus deficiency,
The picture you have with the nute burn does look a little burned, but looks old like it happened a while ago.


I was thinking that it was a Phos deficiency but wasn't positive cuz of the PH issue. I'm switched to 12/12 yesterday so I'll flush one good time and see what runoff is before transplanting for flowering.

Your pH will need to be fixed before you feed them anything, otherwise they will be showing signed of nutrient burn, because they are sitting in nutrients they can't absorb. How much green sand did you add?
You know that is akaline right?
How much lime did you add? With those 2 added together you made the pH rise too much, your mixture is soiless and the only way to help counter act the akalineity of the soil is either to flush your soil out or get some pH down and use it with everytime you water and check run off to see how much your water has to be acidic to counteract the akalinity in the soil.[/QUOTE]

As for the greensand I mixed up roughly 5 gallons of soil and used 2 tablespoons of greensand and a tablespoon of lime so I'm sure thats my problem. Lime is supposed to nuetralize PH right? But with more greensand it made it akaline right?

Would I be able to use plain water for a few times with a PH down to bring the soil PH down? Say a water PH of 5 to bring the soil PH now to around 6.5ish?? Or should I just flush once of twice and test as I go? Would the transplant help any? Should I wait to get the PH in check before I transplant?

Thanks for all the help and advice stitch. When's the book come out?

 

[MynameStitch]

Lime is supposed to nuetralize PH right? But with more greensand it made it akaline right?

yup, that is a lot to add. when you added it did you mix it around really good?

Yes, you should be able to use plain pH adjusted water with pH down to counteract the lime. That is an easier way to do it, but in order for it to work you need to keep the soil a little moist, never let it dry out completely otherwise the lime will take balance.

Personally to help the pH adjuster overcome the lime, I would flush it once with a lot of water..... you can do either way, but I think a flush is a lot less work than making sure the mixture is staying moist.

What mixture are you going to transplant in?
If you transplant into a different mixture, ensure it's a soiless mixture, if you add a 50/50 mixture you will have problems.......

50/50 being soil/soiless mixtures.

The book will be out very soon, within the next 3 months for sure
the layout and pictures are complete and the final edits are nearly complete, the only thing that is left to edit is the cloning and diseases section of the book. When you see it, it won't look anything like the guide, a complete makeover with a whole ton of information added.

90+ pics the whole shabang.

 

[smokeyMcPOT]

The mixture I'll be transplanting into is basicallythe same mix I used for veg but with a little bone meal 6-12-0 added for flowering. Or should I just go buy a new bag and use that?

With me switching to 12/12 would it hurt them at all by flushing as I'm beginning flowering? It won't stress them any will it? I plan on flowering in 2 liter bottles and they're in 4" square pots not. Take a little soil off the roots and transplant them into the 2 liters. They have wonderful looking roots its just those few that have a few problems. If the flush wont hurt them or stress them that's what I'll do since it's a faster fix.

Can't wait for the book!! It'l be in the bathroom next to the shitter until its read!! HAHA Which wont take long since I love to read about our lovely babies! Thanks for the tips and help Stitch! Greatly appreciated!!

 

[MynameStitch]

Buy a different brand you mean?

I would not put them into flowering until they somewhat recover from there problem, due to with the deficiencies you want maximum vigor for going into flowering, if they are having problems now, you put them into flowering with them being low on N and P you will have a longer flower time and the stretch in flowering is important.

They use up a lot of nitrogen and P when they do that stretch.
How tall do you want your plants to get? You want to ensure the plants have enough root space, otherwise you will end up with plants that won't finish due to being rootbound, it also causes them nutrient absorption problems if they are rootbound, so you want to avoid that.

LOL, that got the biggest laugh out of me today when I read that!!!LOL
... next to the shitter.... lol

 

[smokeyMcPOT]

I'm lost on you mentioning buying a different brand.... you mean other soil liek I said " buy another bag" ??

I already have switched the cycle to 12/12 so I guess I could go back to 18/6 and give them soem time. It's been 3 days on 12/12, do youthink this would make them stressed and want to hermie on me? This is basically for future seed stock so I'm not really concerned about the yield. The branches will be pollenated and the tops will not be. So that way I can test the tops and see which seeds I'll be keeping and which I'll give to friends. I'll be taking clones in a week or so to keep as moms for the ones I like as well.

My cab it only around 2 ft high so I dont really want a whole lot of stretch. They're under CFL bulbs so I can let them grow into the lights pretty much. I'll transplant them into 2 liters to give them enough room to root through flowering. They're pretty rootbound now so you're saying I should transplant them soon I take it?





I plan on removing some of the soil before transplanting so do you think this would help on bringing that PH down also? The soil I'm going to use for flowering wont have any greensand in it so I should be a little better off I'd think. Do you think the bone meal will be a good addition or should I keep it out and just use the guano?

Thanks for all the help and advice by the way. Cant wait for that book!! Glad you got a good laugh out of the shitter comment. Always makes for a better day with a good laugh HAHA! Have a great one!!

 

[MynameStitch]

Oh yes, get them into some new pots, cause when you put plants into flowering rootbound you will cause lost yield and longer flower times, if they finish out, sometimes they won't finish due to no root space.

I would transplant them and keep them into 12/12 since you already have. DO not switch them back even if it's been only 3 days, just go ahead and transplant them.

Yes, go ahead and use bone meal in the mixture, just use an amount it will use for flowering and no more. I always try to not to waste

Also keep in mind with your feedings to the amount of bone meal you add.
I mixed up tubs of soil at a time, 1 cup of bone meal per cubic feet of soil, so that would be 1 cup around 12- 15 gallons of soil all mixed in.

 

[smokeyMcPOT]

Sounds like a plan to me Stitch. I added bone meal to about 8-10 gallons of soil and was about 3 tbs of meal. I'll take into consideration the meal when feeding during flowering. I flushed slightly yesterday. Water in was PPM of 250 (very diluted 5-1-1) and PH of 5.6 Runoff water was PPM of 950 and PH of 6.7 So things cam down a little from where they were. I'll see how things go before I flush again. I was wanting to conserve soil so I was planning on transplanting after they show sex. That way I'm not using soil to flower males when all i need is their pollen. I'll transplant in a week hopefully. Looks to me as if the stretch is beginning so I'll wait and see. Would the 10-10-2 Seabird guano be ok to use throughout flowering or should I add somethng else to it? I was thinkin a LITTLE epsom salt for the micros and the molasses of course. Thanks again for all the help and advice.

 

[MynameStitch]

Keep me on an update alright

10-10-2 has a little bit too much nitrogen compared to K, you want both P and K you will have too little K and too much nitrogen.....

I would use that for later nitrogen in case you have a nitrogen deficiency in flower.

 

[smokeyMcPOT]

Hey there Stitch got an update for ya. Waited til they were almost dry and flushed again with diluted 5-11-11 nute water. The nutes comprised of 5-1-1 fish emulsion and 0-10-10 Alaska More bloom for a total of 5-11-11. I figured I'm startin on flowering so I'll get them on the flower nutes. Had a tiny bit of 0-10-10 left so I used it to get rid of it. From here on out it'll be guano and molasses.

ANYWAYS!!!.....

The water I used was a PPM of 350 (tap water with airstone for a day or more is 140) so about 200 PPM nutes and the PH was 4.8 ( tap water is around 7 usually) With that said the runoff was a PPM of 450 ( first flush was 900-1000) and a PH of 6.7 (first flush was 7.6) So I'd say things have come down alot. As for the plants, they look alot healthier and have alot more growth on em. There's a few that still show signs of some PH issues but we're gettin alot better. I'll take pics in the morning. Thanks again for the help and advice.