99 Plants. Would like your input.

[BayAreaBomber]

Alright. 99 plants. 100% legal. Indoor. Two man operation. 4 Bedroom house. Starting all from clones. Currently, we have 5 1000w HPS, will be picking up 5 more in the near future. Will be running a hydro system. Grandaddy Purple, Green Crack, ChemDog, Lavender, and a few others..

Those are really the only certainties at this point. The most I, personally, have ever run...was 20. Big difference. Me and my buddy are deciding to keep this op to only ourselves, so our big brother so to speak, is not going to be able to assist us with this one. We're not going to show the op to anyone, or even discuss it with people. So I have to turn to the net for some suggestions. First off, please do not discard this thread as bullshit. I've been around since OG...I understand I have a "new" name on here, but I'm being 100% serious. I really would appreciate some suggestions, or if anyone else has run similar ops and would like to share their experiences.

What would be the best hydro system to be running with all these ladies? I wanted to try out ScrOG but my brother seems to think that it would create way to many problems tending to all the plants. Opinions? ScrOG on a large scale?

Someone suggested that I maybe run Ebb n Flow for this size op. Opinions? I think it might be difficult supporting SO MANY plants above the reservoir, or no? The maintenance would be simple. Or how about a Drip system so I wouldn't have to worry about a flood if anything went wrong haha.

Also lighting. I've learned through my experiences, it's very important where I position my lights and how much lighting the ladies are actually receiving. Do you all think 10 1000w HPS will do it for that many plants? While trying to go to bed last night, I was pondering running 33 plants in each room, only using 3 rooms. And use 15 1000w HPS, 5 in each room. Thoughts?

LST for a large op like this....good or bad? Height isn't a problem as the rooms are 15x15 and a good 8ft. tall. LST'ing will allow maximized bud sites though. However if they just go vertical, I'll get those LONG and FAT colas we all love so much.

Basically, I know most of my shit already. I'm just trying to rub elbows with some folks who have run this many plants, and have found tried and proved methods. It's one thing to manage a lot of 20...but with 99..that's a lot of different personalities to deal with.

I'm gonna hit the archives(if this site has one) and start searching for pertinent info. Thank you very much, in advance, for all suggestions and experience.

 

[BayAreaBomber]

where is this thread?

 

[medmaker420]

look UP

 

[BayAreaBomber]

look UP

IC is acting hella weird right now for me...I had to refresh this thread while being in it, just so I could see your post. If I click on growroom design and setup.....I can't even find this thread, like it hasn't been made. It's hella weird.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I've done scrog and there's NO way 2 people would be able to scrog 3 rooms of 33 plants.

No to LST as well. You're looking to grow a large number of plants straight to flower with as few man-hours as possible. Think streamlining and 'hands-off' approaches here.

99 plants? If you have 3 rooms of 33 plants.... are the mums and cloning operation going to be done somewhere else or do you have a -reliable- source for that many clones on a regular basis?

 

[Mist]

I would run either ebb and flow tables in a SOG setup with the 99 plants or a couple Ebb&Ggro/MultiFlow systems. I think that the SOG would be the most efficient with your lights and space. Everything would be easy to reach from either side of the table too. I think that a drip system of that size would make you crazy trying to keep up with maintenance between grows with all the drippers. It would make me crazy anyway.
You could do larger plants in the Ebb&Gro system, but you would have to run 3 seperate systems for it to be efficient and that would add lights.
So I think that multiple 4x8 ebb and flow tables would be your best setup.

 

[jebus loves u]

love these threads, been around since og lol, 10k-15k in a houselol 99 plants lol, mate your looking at a hella work with just setting up light and cooling them. 3 5k rooms need alot amps to run that shit. and i can just picture u dragging 99 plants from a veg location to ur flower location at the size you gonna need to make it worth it. love the fact ur tryn to play it safe with the feds.

 

[BayAreaBomber]

I've done scrog and there's NO way 2 people would be able to scrog 3 rooms of 33 plants.

No to LST as well. You're looking to grow a large number of plants straight to flower with as few man-hours as possible. Think streamlining and 'hands-off' approaches here.

99 plants? If you have 3 rooms of 33 plants.... are the mums and cloning operation going to be done somewhere else or do you have a -reliable- source for that many clones on a regular basis?

What do you mean by streamlining? Just smooth as possible?

Moms and clones and veg/flower rooms...We're not dealing with that for the first couple runs. It's just going to be a straight forward clone to flower grow. After we get our whole set up pretty secure and are able to produce consistent results, we're just going to get another house specifically for Moms and clones. Money right now is just not an issue. We just want to run the best producing system, whatever that may take.

I don't really work per say, neither does my buddy...so we're dedicating as many man hours to this as need be. I don't want to cut any corners. I learned off my first grow, that's where you run into problems and set yourself up for failure.

Why do you say no to LST? Will I yield more if I just let them run vertical?

Can I have 4' tall plants in an ebb n flow system? Or will they need to be smaller? Or is that all dependant on size of pots and how strong my flood tray is?

 

[BayAreaBomber]

I would run either ebb and flow tables in a SOG setup with the 99 plants or a couple Ebb&Ggro/MultiFlow systems. I think that the SOG would be the most efficient with your lights and space. Everything would be easy to reach from either side of the table too. I think that a drip system of that size would make you crazy trying to keep up with maintenance between grows with all the drippers. It would make me crazy anyway.
You could do larger plants in the Ebb&Gro system, but you would have to run 3 seperate systems for it to be efficient and that would add lights.
So I think that multiple 4x8 ebb and flow tables would be your best setup.

Thanks...I've actually never heard of ebb n gro...or I can't remember. I'll go check it out.

 

[BayAreaBomber]

love these threads, been around since og lol, 10k-15k in a houselol 99 plants lol, mate your looking at a hella work with just setting up light and cooling them. 3 5k rooms need alot amps to run that shit. and i can just picture u dragging 99 plants from a veg location to ur flower location at the size you gonna need to make it worth it. love the fact ur tryn to play it safe with the feds.

 

[SpasticGramps]

When you go commericial (and i think this applies with any business) you need to think KISS (keep it simple stupid) because Murphy's Law is a mofo and you are going to run into shit you couldn't have planned out if this is your first BIG show. And this shit takes your time and money, unfortunately.

Ebb & Flo is almost unanimously the simplest operation to run. Think multiple 4x8 tables filled with hydroton running SOG multiple week veg. IMHO forget LST and ScrOG. You are going to have your hands full rigging all this out and finding pheno's if you don't have a good source for clones.

IMO KISS SOG EBB&FLO

 

[Hydro-Soil]

love these threads, been around since og lol, 10k-15k in a houselol 99 plants lol, mate your looking at a hella work with just setting up light and cooling them. 3 5k rooms need alot amps to run that shit. and i can just picture u dragging 99 plants from a veg location to ur flower location at the size you gonna need to make it worth it. love the fact ur tryn to play it safe with the feds.

You're seriously undereducated on the manpower for something this size.


Think back to your last/first grow. How many clones did you have and how many did you end up figuring were actually 'worth' running? Figure on about 120 clones to start with if you're going to end up with 99 plants. You want as consistent a growth rate as possible so any that are upstarts or slow are gonna be yanked.


Do yourself a really big favor and cut back to only 2 tables and a few lights to start with. Do yourself a bigger grow than the last one. Next round, if you feel you've got everything dialed in on the first run (10% chance) you can up the ante and add another table and lights. This will also give you a great idea of what you're going to need clone wise without wasting time/resources on half-full tables.

Be smart and plan it out right then work your way to the goal. Without experience running an operation this big, your chances of failure are pretty high if you just run in with 'cost is not an issue at this point'.

 

[BayAreaBomber]

your chances of failure are pretty high if you just run in with 'cost is not an issue at this point'.

I'm not running in with that, I just wanted to state it incase it may have deterred certain suggestions.

I remember my first grow...I though I knew it all or would figure it out myself. WRONG.

I know my abilities though, and I know my buddies abilities. If anything goes terribly wrong, there are people in my area I could go to for help in a last minute situation. California man...it's nice out here.

I'm really digging all that I'm reading on Ebb n Flow. I'm also in agreement with the whole 4'x8' trays, unless I can find bigger ones. I'll look for a low in height container for the reservoir and keep the flood tray real close to the reservoir so to save space. Veg the clones to 12" and then kick'em into flower...they'll end around 32"-36". SOG so it's just one fat cola pretty much. I'm gonna have nice dreams tonight.

 

[BayAreaBomber]

When you go commericial (and i think this applies with any business) you need to think KISS (keep it simple stupid) because Murphy's Law is a mofo and you are going to run into shit you couldn't have planned out if this is your first BIG show. And this shit takes your time and money, unfortunately.

Ebb & Flo is almost unanimously the simplest operation to run. Think multiple 4x8 tables filled with hydroton running SOG multiple week veg. IMHO forget LST and ScrOG. You are going to have your hands full rigging all this out and finding pheno's if you don't have a good source for clones.

IMO KISS SOG EBB&FLO

I'm in agreement.

 

[SpasticGramps]

You're seriously undereducated on the manpower for something this size.


Think back to your last/first grow. How many clones did you have and how many did you end up figuring were actually 'worth' running? Figure on about 120 clones to start with if you're going to end up with 99 plants. You want as consistent a growth rate as possible so any that are upstarts or slow are gonna be yanked.


Do yourself a really big favor and cut back to only 2 tables and a few lights to start with. Do yourself a bigger grow than the last one. Next round, if you feel you've got everything dialed in on the first run (10% chance) you can up the ante and add another table and lights. This will also give you a great idea of what you're going to need clone wise without wasting time/resources on half-full tables.

Be smart and plan it out right then work your way to the goal. Without experience running an operation this big, your chances of failure are pretty high if you just run in with 'cost is not an issue at this point'.

I'm all about dreaming big and it's good you are staying smart with the plant count. Fuck messing with the feds, but it's good you are on here asking question because you are about to take a serious jump. 2k to 10k is no joke. There are major logistics to consider. Time, money, manpower, and most importantly you are dealing with big weight. Security and loose lips abound. IMHO, spend some more time planning, learning, and waiting. Weed is not going anywhere bro. Set a good network for this kind of show. We have a long road ahead of us. The people who play smart will win out. Don't be a yahoo. They have lots of those in county population.

 

[BayAreaBomber]

I'm all about dreaming big and it's good you are staying smart with the plant count. Fuck messing with the feds, but it's good you are on here asking question because you are about to take a serious jump. 2k to 10k is no joke. There are major logistics to consider. Time, money, manpower, and most importantly you are dealing with big weight. Security and loose lips abound. IMHO, spend some more time planning, learning, and waiting. Weed is not going anywhere bro. Set a good network for this kind of show. We have a long road ahead of us. The people who play smart will win out. Don't be a yahoo. They have lots of those in county population.

I remember the night I got busted for one of my grows...."Guilty....I sentence you to 20 years......" Bro, I've learned so much and come such a long way. I can definitely dig everything you're saying. There's no way in hell I'm gonna jump into this shit...It's more so my brother/buddy trying to get it going sooner. Oh, and a good portion of the 20 years got suspended, but damn. Never again man.

Measure twice, cut once.

Oh yeh, your attic is HELLA nice gramps. Much respect.

 

[headiez247]

Some of you guys need to chill on the "two people is no where near enough, you'll never be able to handle it"

Complete BS. I do my 9k with one other person, and I have other grower friends who do twice as much by themselves. Lots of work but totally doable.

Bottom line Bomber, don't be put off by people saying "think small you'll never be able to handle the work" because that just isn't true.

If your trying to stay under the 99 limit (sigh, I wish) then your gonna wanna really veg out those girls if your doing 10k. Because you will need to veg out a long time your mom room is gonna need to be large because your going to wanna veg for a month or longer.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Some of you guys need to chill on the "two people is no where near enough, you'll never be able to handle it"

Complete BS. I do my 9k with one other person, and I have other grower friends who do twice as much by themselves. Lots of work but totally doable.

Bottom line Bomber, don't be put off by people saying "think small you'll never be able to handle the work" because that just isn't true.

If your trying to stay under the 99 limit (sigh, I wish) then your gonna wanna really veg out those girls if your doing 10k. Because you will need to veg out a long time your mom room is gonna need to be large because your going to wanna veg for a month or longer.

I agree, but 2k to 10k takes considerable thought and planning. You can run a 10k show on your own, but you better have the work ethic, drive, and planning. Throw another person in there and you can back down some. But that's another person to deal with (bro or not).

I'll tell you this. Our military (US) follows a five point contingency plan whenever they plan any military operation (mainly strategic but a lot of time down to the tactical operational level). Try to always have five points of contingency (ie Plan A-E). Obviously it's not always possible. But when you start rigging up this 10k grow you are going to see maintaining under 99 is going to be tough. Lines are easily crossed. I'm not doubting your discipline, I'm just saying.

It's easily doable if you set it up right. But I'm just trying to help him not get too big of eyes. The way I see it is he has his big goal. He's got the house. Work your way to 10k, invest the profits on the way into security and easy of manufacturing (KISS). It won't take long before you reach capacity. And play it out. A little bit of sacrifice now goes a long way in the future.

 

[gogoplata420]

I remember the night I got busted for one of my grows...."Guilty....I sentence you to 20 years......" Bro, I've learned so much and come such a long way. I can definitely dig everything you're saying. There's no way in hell I'm gonna jump into this shit...It's more so my brother/buddy trying to get it going sooner. Oh, and a good portion of the 20 years got suspended, but damn. Never again man.

Measure twice, cut once.

Oh yeh, your attic is HELLA nice gramps. Much respect.

kid in the back of the class says "buuuuuuuuullshiit"

^quoting a comedian

 

[darthvapor]

bayareabomber. can you explain more your layout. and how many plants per table and how many lights per table.

I have 32 plants per 4x4 table and 1000watts per table. I grow sog and get about 3/4-1oz per plant. why so much room and so many watts for 99 plants. Are you going for trees or bushstyle. If so I recommend dwc bucket system.