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8000 watts?
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I know a couple of guys in BC, Canada and Jackson Hole, WY pulling down 2lbs per 1000HPS, but they are commerical strains. They aren't bad, but it's not the best bud out there. It all depends on what you want, yield or killer weed. If you asking how much you can get, I'm guessing you want the best yield. If done right and you got the right strain. I don't see why you could match them.
Good Luck
Good Luck
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It all depends on the style of the grow. Some people like me like the SOG method, others like BOg grow some crazy trees. This could be an option for you. Grow a couple of trees under each lamp. I think Bog got 11oz's off of his Bogglegum on the last run. You could do something like this, "BUT" your veg time will have to increase.. This means it might take longer then gorwing out a bunch and pull your weight in the larger numbers "SOG". Its all up to you and how you want to go about it. Also, look at your local laws. Will it be safer for you to have less plants? Most states it would, or do they weigh everything. This can be a factor in your grow. I hope this helps, I'm sure onlys will jump in and help. You just got to figure out the style you want to go with and go from there. The style will as need the proper strain to go with it.
Good Luck
Good Luck
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No problem. Good luck and i know it can be a pain sometimes. I'm holding off on two colisum 120 site units right now. That's going to be 1200watts per a unit for a total of 2400watts and i know i can pull 2-3 lbs per a unit for a total of 4-6 every two months, but i will have a one month rotations going. Man,is it a pain, when you don't have your own house and you got to worry about land lords. Won't be long till i tell them to fuck off and buy my first house. Good luck and hope everything works out for you. Large electric bill, your going to have.
YourHighness
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Well it is hard to claim Personal Use with 8000 watts and 30 clones per K. Just be careful. Rule #1 is................ Be discrete and obey the guidelines of IC and your thread will get answers. Get too involved and you might get yanked for talking too much about dealing weed. I tend to grow with my garden. I don't know what your smaller grows were wattage/plant amount wise but unless you were working with at least 4000 Watts and maintaining temps and all I would work up to the 8K. I wouldn't go too big too fast. And be really comfortable with the strain(s) of choice. Good Growing.
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I'll say this, i don't care what anyone say's about growers. You see people like reaper, so quick and their grows. You know they aren't for their personal stash. Just be cool and ask little questions. If you ask question like this, you'll get answered. I would start off small and work your way up like YourHighness said. It is the safest way to go. Another thing you might want to look into is the newer Mini Colisuem with 120 grow site. I'm sure you've seen So Quick grom with the normal bigger units over at OG or in the ICMag. You get more yield with these units and you use all of your light pattern. As for that much wattage, you going to be risking getting catch. Unless your in a business district, that is a shit load of juice. I would go for better method of growing to reduce light output. Just my thoughts on the matter. I'll be sure to post my threads of the two Mini Colisuem units i have once i get them up and running.
Good luck
Good luck
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With plant count always being such a pain in the ass, and a coli per plant outut sucks, Why not grow 6 or 8 tree style grows? You would almost double the output of a coli and only have to manage 6 or 8 growsites/plants.
What do they hand in the middle of a coli? (2)600w or (2)1000w I can't remeber.
Your going to eat up the space of a full room now matter how you do it. So if your trying to max out the output of the room, I think less plants more output is a better formula. It might take a bit more wattage to maintain a full room tree style grow but the output would up there with less headache.
My .02
Tex
What do they hand in the middle of a coli? (2)600w or (2)1000w I can't remeber.
Your going to eat up the space of a full room now matter how you do it. So if your trying to max out the output of the room, I think less plants more output is a better formula. It might take a bit more wattage to maintain a full room tree style grow but the output would up there with less headache.
My .02
Tex
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The coli has two 600HPS in the middle. It all depends on how they person wants to grow and the space that is availible. I think the coli can pump out the weight, plus with the new units with a feed to waste, there no BS problems like the Ebb&Flo style. I'll be posting a thread once i get the first one ready. I'll do a test run to see what the smaller units can pump out on the Max side. A tree is going to yield very well, but you got to veg longer and have plenty of light. If time and wattage is a problem, then that isn't for you, but the my 2 pennies 
Nice to see everyone throwing in their info. That's what makes this place so great.
later
Nice to see everyone throwing in their info. That's what makes this place so great.later
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The longer veg requirement sure is a space eater also.
I also agree with YH walk before you run with larger setup. That's is alot of heat to manage with 8K maybe 4k as a test run is more doable.
If you had (2)1000w and (4-6) 400w in flower cycle you could easily maintain the kinda 4-6 lbs. with 4-6 plants. The output would probably get closer to 8-10lbs per cycle.
With all that being said, I haven't done it but, have been reading and researching for an eventual full room grow. For me the lower plant count was going to be critical to maintain my medical marijuana protection. They are all at least as far as I know based on 7-12 plants and up to 4oz in some states of dried bud.Cali pushing for a canopy sq.ft. qualification, but I don't know that they got it.
I was looking at having 4 plants in full on flower with 3 to 4 select mothers feeding the process. On the 4 plants flowering I would have a single 1000w hanging verticle in the center and 4-400w hanging one in each of the corners(2600w total) possibly adding a second 1000w in the center as they stretch. I may also make 1 or 2 of the 400w bulbs mh, for some diversity in the light spectrum. Room size 8x8 or 10x10 with killer ventilation and cooling. That will probably be my island setup, well maybe with one or two scattered outside also. Hawaii is a bitch about plant count.
Tex
I also agree with YH walk before you run with larger setup. That's is alot of heat to manage with 8K maybe 4k as a test run is more doable.
If you had (2)1000w and (4-6) 400w in flower cycle you could easily maintain the kinda 4-6 lbs. with 4-6 plants. The output would probably get closer to 8-10lbs per cycle.
With all that being said, I haven't done it but, have been reading and researching for an eventual full room grow. For me the lower plant count was going to be critical to maintain my medical marijuana protection. They are all at least as far as I know based on 7-12 plants and up to 4oz in some states of dried bud.Cali pushing for a canopy sq.ft. qualification, but I don't know that they got it.
I was looking at having 4 plants in full on flower with 3 to 4 select mothers feeding the process. On the 4 plants flowering I would have a single 1000w hanging verticle in the center and 4-400w hanging one in each of the corners(2600w total) possibly adding a second 1000w in the center as they stretch. I may also make 1 or 2 of the 400w bulbs mh, for some diversity in the light spectrum. Room size 8x8 or 10x10 with killer ventilation and cooling. That will probably be my island setup, well maybe with one or two scattered outside also. Hawaii is a bitch about plant count.
Tex
hey tragic1,
i'm with tk on this one, but i've never done the coli so i cant comment on that.
check out my 20 gal scrog trees. they were mothers that we decided to flower to free up space.
it's not a traditional scrog in the sense that they weren't grown through the screen. they were too big.
the frame is sc40 pvc 3' x 3' with a 9sqft grid. i then affixed chicken wire to the top and trained them dowm to the screen.
i had to cut the chicken wire out of the middle of the grid so i could drop the plants through.
the one most visible here is the silver haze, odyssey is right behind her
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heres a shot of the canopy of the odyssey
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silver haze canopy
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odyssey from below: (note that everything is growing through the center of the grid)
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i'm with tk on this one, but i've never done the coli so i cant comment on that.
check out my 20 gal scrog trees. they were mothers that we decided to flower to free up space.
it's not a traditional scrog in the sense that they weren't grown through the screen. they were too big.
the frame is sc40 pvc 3' x 3' with a 9sqft grid. i then affixed chicken wire to the top and trained them dowm to the screen.
i had to cut the chicken wire out of the middle of the grid so i could drop the plants through.
the one most visible here is the silver haze, odyssey is right behind her
Click for Larger Image
heres a shot of the canopy of the odyssey
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silver haze canopy
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odyssey from below: (note that everything is growing through the center of the grid)
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Beans,
I did about that sme thing to Mazar mother. I prunned the shit out of her taking clones. Then I flowered her and ended up with over 3 oz.. There were 23 or 24 major budsites on a level canopy under my 600w.
The bush looked alot like yours
Tex
I did about that sme thing to Mazar mother. I prunned the shit out of her taking clones. Then I flowered her and ended up with over 3 oz.. There were 23 or 24 major budsites on a level canopy under my 600w.
The bush looked alot like yours
Tex
what was the size of your canopy? what about container size?
mine is about 3'3" x 3'3" so a little over 9 sq ft. i'm hoping for about 8 oz from her. odyssey is a nice heavy girl.
also i harvest only the top, most mature buds and leave the rest to fatten up. i do this throughout the room. seems to help out with the overall quality in the end.
it may be a little silly but i've taken to naming my big girls. odyssey is ophelia and silver haze is sylvia.
mine is about 3'3" x 3'3" so a little over 9 sq ft. i'm hoping for about 8 oz from her. odyssey is a nice heavy girl.
also i harvest only the top, most mature buds and leave the rest to fatten up. i do this throughout the room. seems to help out with the overall quality in the end.
it may be a little silly but i've taken to naming my big girls. odyssey is ophelia and silver haze is sylvia.
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That particular Mazar shared a 3x3 area. It's total canopy was 18" square when it was all sayed and done. Even though it was a mother it was still only about 4 months old so it hadn't really gotten to the size of yours.
Selective harvest of the top buds is about the same as I do. I am also kickin in side lights down on the lower branches. Had 2-100w mh hangin verticle on the sides to kick it up a notch.
My new space the flower space is going to be a little bigger so I may hang 250w mh in the corners with my 600w hortilux above in a horizontal fixture.
Tex
Selective harvest of the top buds is about the same as I do. I am also kickin in side lights down on the lower branches. Had 2-100w mh hangin verticle on the sides to kick it up a notch.
My new space the flower space is going to be a little bigger so I may hang 250w mh in the corners with my 600w hortilux above in a horizontal fixture.
Tex
tragic1
Member
This is cool everyone with diffrent opinions. BG i'm not really sure about the coli. I have heard mix results about it. I'm leaning more towards your idea TK, I would like to keep plant numbers down. How long would you say veg would be for so few plants? Do you think 600w would be better then the 400w? By the way 8000w is what I can run without problem but not nessacarily what I will be running from day one.
600s are much better than 400s in many ways. i would only use a 400 if i absolutely had to (ie, SMALL closet grow where heat control would be a big issue)
even with that being said, i've used a 600 in a closet that was only 2' x 4'. of course it was air cooled using 465 cfm sqirrel cage blower. only ended up with 12 oz due to the small space but thats not too bad for 8 sq. ft.
using the same lamp on the next grow in a 4x4 box i built i pulled 15 from 5 plants.
sounds like you've got the room. might as well go with the 600.
check out the thread titled:
2,500 watts used in rented house too much?
in this forum for more info on lighting efficiency.
even with that being said, i've used a 600 in a closet that was only 2' x 4'. of course it was air cooled using 465 cfm sqirrel cage blower. only ended up with 12 oz due to the small space but thats not too bad for 8 sq. ft.
using the same lamp on the next grow in a 4x4 box i built i pulled 15 from 5 plants.
sounds like you've got the room. might as well go with the 600.
check out the thread titled:
2,500 watts used in rented house too much?
in this forum for more info on lighting efficiency.
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Guest
600HPS is alot better then the 400. I would go with it and not mess around with a 400. Like what was said before. Use a 400 for a small grow, not what your doing. Do like the other said, start out small and work your way up. I'll be watching when you fire up your grow. I like trees, but i have small spaces, that' why i'll be using a coli.
Good luck
Good luck
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I might veg a clone for 4 to 6 weeks and 9-10 weeks from seed. Pruning and training the whole time. 24" or so when you throw into flower. Should finish around 4-5 feet tall.
How does the Coli really save room? I looked at SQ's demo thread and there are ballast, tanks, hoses, etc... all over the place outside the footprint of the actual coli. It looks to me you need at least double the footprint of the coli just to keep all the crap that goes along with it under control. It is sectional so I guess you could cut down the hieght a little but that's it.
600 over 400's for sure. about the same heat generated with either but alot more lumen output.
Tex
How does the Coli really save room? I looked at SQ's demo thread and there are ballast, tanks, hoses, etc... all over the place outside the footprint of the actual coli. It looks to me you need at least double the footprint of the coli just to keep all the crap that goes along with it under control. It is sectional so I guess you could cut down the hieght a little but that's it.
600 over 400's for sure. about the same heat generated with either but alot more lumen output.
Tex
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I can grow more plants with a Coli then on a Ebb&Flo. The newer units have more sites and are shorter. I will be running a feed to waste. You can grow more plants up and add more coli's. For what i run now with ebb&flo i can't even come close with a coli in the same space. I'll do a thread and show everything from start to finish with these new smaller units.
