7wks in, time to flush....with PH??

[the gnome]

I truly hate this part of the gro .
the worst step of a soil gro ime!

Ive bounced this idea around for a while now
and would like to get other takes on it.

instead of flushing with plain water
drop the water Ph to around say as a reference, maybe 4 and apply,
or just enough nute uptake would be locked out.
Ive seen some lockout with the soil at 5.5 and even under that very pronounced LO,
but a little lime and your back on track.

1 thing is on my mind,
if the PH is down enough to cause lockout,
are nutes lockedout at the root system...?

 

[CoastalKind]

That sounds stressful on the plant. I know I don't like to smoke stress. What is wrong with just watering with tap water and letting them finish gently? Flushing is blown out of proportion. Just water the fucking things and harvest them. Fuck all the gimmicks. Your herbs will be fine.

 

[Coconutz]

According to H&G you dont want to flush with drip clean because it will continue to pull salts from the medium for your plants to eat...
Take it however you want to... I actually prefer my plants are fed... This is just what H&G says

Drip Clean

What is Drip Clean and what does it do?
Drip Clean is a completely safe agent for your plants provided it is used in the right proportions. Drip Clean contains potassium and phosphorous compounds, two very powerful and useful elements, from which one particle has been removed as it were. This makes the incomplete element into a kind of a magnet because molecules always seek a complete structure. Drip Clean attracts the dirt and salt particles each time the plants are fed.
Can you add too much Drip Clean? I might have accidentally doubled the drip clean in my last reservoir fill up.
At more than twice the recommended dose, I would start over with your reservoir.
Is it best to do final flush with Drip Clean or just water?
We recommend using only properly PHed water for the pre-harvest flush.
Can I use Drip Clean with other brand nutrients?
Yes, Drip Clean is compatible with other nutrient lines. The dose remains the same at 0.4ml/gallon.
Do you use drip clean with every feeding?
You definitely want to use Drip Clean with every feeding.
I was wondering what is the recommended flush time with just water? I have been using drip clean my whole cycle!
If you’ve used only House and Garden for your entire run, we recommend flushing with fresh PH-proper water for 3 days using fresh water every day. If you’ve used other base nutrients, you may have to go longer than that, but not too much longer because the Drip Clean will have kept your salts under control.
What type of grow systems and/or grow mediums can Drip Clean be used with?
Drip Clean is safe to use in all grow systems and mediums.
Can Drip Clean be used to keep salts under control?
Yes, Drip Clean is valuable in keeping salts under control throughout your growing system and medium.
Is Drip Clean safe to use with filtered and tap water?
Yes.
Is Drip Clean considered to be a PK boost product?
No, Drip Clean is not considered to be a PK boost product because of the low dose that is used. WARNING: IF INTRODUCING DRIP CLEAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CYCLE, IT CAN RELEASE SALTS AND NUTRIENTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN STORED UP IN THE MEDIUM. THIS MAY BURN YOUR PLANTS OR CAUSE A NUTRIENT LOCKOUT OR BOTH. IT IS RECOMMENDED TO USE DRIP CLEAN FROM THE BEGINNING FOR THE BEST RESULTS

 

[AssSlinger]

No man. No.

It is wrong on so many levels.

First, at pH 4 quite a few elements are way more available. Like Aluminum. And you don't want them at all.
Second, you don't want to starve your plants while flushing. The idea is to remove EXCESS nutrients from the medium and let the plant use whatever is left. That is why it takes 4-5 days in soil. (2-3 in coco)
Third, at pH 4 you can easily burn the crap out of your roots. Why would you want that?

Drip clean is GREAT for flushing as it removes excess salts. You give the plants a good watering with drip clean, it removes the salts and THEN you flush it with even more water!
That way you get rid of the salts and what they broke into.

I just flush with tap water. Put your plants on any kind of a runoff tray (bathtub works in a pinch) and put in as much water as it takes for the runoff to come out the same EC as the intake.
Drain the excess water by putting the pot on a brick or something to tilt the pot a bit sideways
Put it back to its place, wait 4-5 days and chop.

What's so annoying in this process?
I use a runoff tray while growing so I just water the plants with a hose and use a water pump to drain the runoff collection tub at the same time. I don't even lift the plants once.

 

[the gnome]

Take it however you want to... I actually prefer my plants are fed...

well hey, don't get me wrong there nutz,
I like my plants well fed too,
but when chop time comes around @7-8-9wks
i want nutes flushed out as in unfed.
and whats up with drip kleen??
just a difference of methods I guess.
you don't flush, whats the reason your even in this thread
at any rate, you want to feed your plants up to chop,
with no flush, and leave chlorophyl and nutes in,
fine, with me.
no one I know wants it left in to smoke.

No man. No.
It is wrong on so many levels.
What's so annoying in this process?
I use a runoff tray while growing so I just water the plants with a hose and use a water pump to drain the runoff collection tub at the same time. I don't even lift the plants once.

well, we think the same on 1 thing,
wrong on many levels.
you need to re-read what i said, Ass

and btw, ty
i already know how to flush, have many years doing it.
as far as annoying,
i didn't care for it when i ran a few small 2000w grows.
I have 125+gallons of soil to deal with now,
and its not a 4 or 5 day rodeo.

I know I don't like to smoke stress.Just water the fucking things and harvest them. Fuck all the gimmicks.

anyways glad to get input from cool, calm and experienced heads
btw
wish i had some xannies
a few would greatly benefit from a stress pill right now

 

[Coconutz]

I bet phillip morris flushes well!
Because plants surely taste like nutes if they dont

 

[the gnome]

lol... if you grew tobacco and tossed in as many chemicals afterwards as they do, why flush?

btw news flash for terminal idiot inc.
it seems this needs to be explained,
1 difference between tobacco and grade A cannabis is
tobacco isn't $200-$300oz with customers using a jewlers loupes scoping out what they're payin for.
a product they ingest by smoking/vaping, and oral ingestion.......

please, tell me you don't need the difference between tobacco/ganja explained more than that kiddo...

 

[Coconutz]

If they raised the price of cigs to $500 a pack and made you buy them from a crackhouse I guarantee people would be lining up!
I dunno my veggies taste pretty good unflushed too!
Anyhow... What H&G is trying to tell you is that DC will slowly release the salts for your plant to uptake, so they suggest not using it during the "flush" and that you should ph it to keep the plant healthy.
What you are saying is you want it to remove the salts, but you dont want your plant not getting any nute at all... There should be some nutrients remaining in any soil, or people couldnt run farms

 

[the gnome]

well here's the bottom line cokenutz,
you don't have to buy cigs from a crack house
and it ain't $500 oz is it, so along your way of thinking
if my pecker were 2" longer I'd bitch slap you with it till you figured out it wasn't foreplay.
oh, and if you like your veggies unlflushed, good for you kiddo.

since you haven't brought it up,
I'd rather talk about the reason your being a compete pussy in this thread.
I spanked your little bitch ass and rightfully so in my wfa thread.
so hard you ran and haven't been back to say shit there.
and now you're trying to man up to me in this thread...LOL
you've got a looong ways to go,
being a man that is,
run along now, come see me down the road in a few years son ...

and BTW
you sounded even more pathetic in the GG#4 thread whining why you don't have it
and *Openly Begging* for a cut
*Gnome shakes head*
low class son...
sooooo very low class


I'm finished in this thread,
and i apologize for any undo drama Ive ushered into this thread,
no matter how amusing the drama, brought into this fine forum.

everyone have a great day!

 

[Coconutz]

Why all the hostility?
You asked about a time during a grow you admit to be totally lost on... Now you are an expert on it talking down to me for posting the directions on "flushing"? LOL
All I did you post the flush directions from a manufacture.
Thats not good enough?
LOL
Same thing with the directions from seed companies... You know better... You expect replacements from a reputable breeder, then I show you Mandalas policy on people who soak beans....lol
PH your shit to 4? Sounds like the agricultural standard to me since you want them locked out! HAHAHAHAH
Keep bouncing that shit around in your little gnome brain!
Peace

 

[the gnome]

no idea with whats with some *product*??
your seriously mixed up kiddo
bottom line is you got your shit slapped in the dirt.... again
btw
no need to read manf. direction s for that one....

btw.. drip kleen??
please explain that one a bit more?



hello.. paging cokenutz,,,
hello......
paging dripnutz
paging,,, paging ...

 

[Coconutz]

no idea with whats with some *product*??
your seriously mixed up kiddo
bottom line is you got your shit slapped in the dirt.... again
btw
no need to read manf. direction s for that one....

btw.. drip kleen??
please explain that one a bit more?



hello.. paging cokenutz,,,
hello......
paging dripnutz
paging,,, paging ...

Having your shit slapped into the dirt would be much better than having your plants in dirt with a ph of 4 during the most critical time of the grow...
That shit you can bank on!
Drip Clean would strip all the nutrients and according to H&G stripping them would be bad or they wouldnt advise against using it.
You want your plant within ph range so that it can uptake the remaining nutes, you jsut dont want to add new nutes because it would be a waste of $
But, I mean... If you wanna lock your shit out then go for it!

 

[ceosam]

you both need a xanax

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Ive normally just used tap water for 2 weeks but my PH is at max here.
It yellows em out fast but I feel my yield suffers abit.

Im starting to be of the belief that flushing the first time with ph balaced water with 1/4 strength nutes, to help pick up the "salts" on the way out.... (A tip from Jorge Cerventaz I read along time ago)... Then flush with ph balanced water the rest of the 2 weeks.
The day before harvest...just as lights come on....flush again with just tap water Un-PH'ed and then harvest at lights on the next day. This should give the plant what it needs to finish up and give you stellar results with white ash and smooth smoke.

I rarely have to give my plants any nutes with FFOF soil. Just PH balanced water. Some strains may need a feeding at week 4 of flower but thats about it. If your a mostly organic guy like me then you may not have to flush with 1/4 strength nutes the first flush, and you can knock down the flush time to 10 days and still have killer smoke.

 

[the gnome]

thanx for the solid post overgrow,
but this thread has run it's course.

you both need a xanax

yup...your right ceosam...
its rained all weekend.
I had entirely too much time on my hands yesterday and got carried away playing with the youngin.
and, this thread shows me i need to work harder on finding common ground with folks i don't see eye to eye with.
definitely won't happen again

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This is the coco forum.
Im not qualified to comment on anything in soil.

yup I can agree with you on that.....homie

 

[AssSlinger]

well, we think the same on 1 thing,
wrong on many levels.
you need to re-read what i said, Ass

and btw, ty
i already know how to flush, have many years doing it.
as far as annoying,
i didn't care for it when i ran a few small 2000w grows.
I have 125+gallons of soil to deal with now,
and its not a 4 or 5 day rodeo.

I tried to re-read what you wrote and didn't get any new info. Please be kind and be more specific?
You said nothing about your pot sizes. Or the size of your grow.

However the consideration of not lowering the pH are still solid in my opinion.

Also, don't you re-use your soil? That's a lot of soil to get rid of.
Treating it with acid is not something I would do if it is to be reused.

 

[the gnome]

hey mr ass....
i use to run 18-20 per in my 2000w grows,
flush with PH'd water in the tub with a 1/4"line hooked to the spigot and let it run for a couple hrs. easy easy flush method.

i now run average 2 and 3gall bags and some fivers w/ffof and promix bx 50:50.
my new bloom room is running 8000w with another running 2000w.
my plant numbers are a bit more now but run anywhere between 35-50 in the main room.
still exp. with pot sizes and numbers.
bottom line i have a a lot to flush now and its a major time consuming project.
and yes, I've started saving and plan on amending the soil.
the tub isn't an option with the new site.

I was just thinking how to cut time with the flush,
cutting my FFOF with promix has helped a lot with nutes running out in late bloom.
I'm seriously thinking of going into coco, lots of advantages imo.

sorry about getting testy with ya,
but when i see 3 responses, yours...
and coastal kind who jumps my ass from the start and seems to have an agenda that is in line with cokentz who already came into the thread with his shitstick ready to stir from a previous discussion with me that didn't go his way....
this thread was over before it began.
i didn't kno if you were a part of it, big thanks for trying to help mr ass
what i did learn was looking at the other two posters post history.
there's good odds they are the same person sharing the same IP.

with only 3 helpful posts
2 from you and 1 from ceosam in this thread
Ive asked for it to be shut down

 

[Coconutz]

thanx for the solid post overgrow,
but this thread has run it's course.


yup...your right ceosam...
its rained all weekend.
I had entirely too much time on my hands yesterday and got carried away playing with the youngin.
and, this thread shows me i need to work harder on finding common ground with folks i don't see eye to eye with.
definitely won't happen again

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yup I can agree with you on that.....homie

Thats taken out of context... They were talking about perlite ratios or something.
A flush is a misnomer... You arent trying to strip anything or prevent your plant from feeding. You dont want your plants locked out... Duh! You arent trying to prevent it from uptaking nutes...
You cant possibly think you are going to stop the symbiotic process between the plant and bacteria?
I can guarantee you one thing... You can have a mod look into it... I do not post under any other names. Nobody from my IP is on IC other than me.
Anyhow... I actually got you and ass confused when he said something about using drip clean to strip and then flushing with water...
Not hard to do... confuse you with an ass that is.
Everything he said totally contradicts what I said... Were supposed to be the same person? Its a conspiracy theroy!
Seems you just went off on everyone in the thread for no reason after asking a question and letting out a brain fart about ph of 4 or someshit!
Anyhow, my first post had nothing to do with the other thread. I simply posted that you should ph your plain water during the flush straight from a manufacture of a product that is supposed to leach salts.... LOL.. I mean cmon man... They are telling you not to try and kill your plant by stripping the ferts or locking it out in an attempt to not feed them.
Just trying to keep your plants healthy even though youre a nut