6K Dream Buildout!

[ceosam]

I've got some time and a clear mind to plan a bangin 6k and I want IC along for the ride! Bring alllllllll constructive criticism and encouragement, I'll need it where I'm going.


Lights
Adjust-a-Wing Reflectors
Lumatek 240v 1000w superlumen Ballasts
EYE Hortilux Bulbs
Electrician + Parts


Environment
Gas Line Hookup
Titan Ares 4 CO2 Burner
12" QMax Fan + Can150 Scrubber
Mitsubishi Mr. Slim 30k BTU Minisplit One-zone
Drizair 1200 Dehumifider or similar


Nutrients
Floranova Grow 2.5gal
Floranova Bloom 2.5gal
Liquid Kool Bloom 6gal
Diamond Nectar
ProTekt 5gal
CaliMagic 6gal
Cannazym


Pest
Avid 8oz
Mighty Wash
Yellow Fly Paper


Misc
3/4hp feeding pump
Octobubbers + Tophat Fanjets
Smartpot Tray Liners
Gold Label Coco 1.5cuft + Chunky Perlite
10x20 Tray/Domes
Reservoir 100gal+
Res Stirring Pump
Recycling Timers (for res stirring and wall fans)
Osc 16" Fans

I'll start it off with a few questions

one or two zone minisplit? 30k should be overkill but its always 80*F+ around here and the dehumi & burner will be adding extra heat

is 3/4hp enough pump for 96 fanjets?

 

[DabOnDabs]

Run you lights at night, 30k will be more than enough at 5k btu per light.

 

[the gnome]

i just wrapped up a 6KW room
i have a 32,500BTU mr slim, I always like a little extra
plus, you'll have heat from the Co2 burner, ballasts and other Equip.
good choice on the mistu.

but if you ever think you may add more lamps get the ac sized now for it
a single zone mini split should do it..
whats the room dimensions?

 

[ceosam]

@the_gnome perfect response here as i was not able to edit my post. the room is roughly 13x17 and has a small bathroom for drain and fresh water. i have a veg and drying area already situated. right now the plan is to bust out a few runs with many clones on 3x 4x8 trays with coco beds and then move into bare bulb trees in 10/15gal coco smartpots, each on a 2x2 tray with a pvc stand+casters... maybe i could add a few more bulbs when barebulb happens? one thing im on clear on is how to space them out for max yields/quality. good point though i might splurge for a higher 35k+

@dabsondabs - my night temps can be 80*F in the summer

 

[budleydoright]

Bag the avid and the poison. Use neem , azamax and pyrithium. While avid packs a punch, it still requires the same multiple applications at the same intervals as non toxic sprays.

I never completely rid my space of pests using poison, just knocked them down. Did get rid of them completely after I learned how to use neem.

Good luck and have fun.




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[ceosam]

While I'm aware of the dangers, I spray my clones at rooting stage only and never have a pest-- ever. With any other product: azamax, mighty wash, neem, pyrithium foggers:: they work BUT only if you thoroughly spray every 10 days OR every 3 if you have an 'outbreak'

Yes avid is dangerous to touch/congest but I literally treat it like vapor acid and only apply it to cuttings so my risk is extremely limited. Attempting to be "preventative" on a large scale will likely get you into trouble and make you do something stupid to save your crop, calculated risk imho but I'm interested to hear others thoughts.

 

[RB26]

Avid works wonders, I say keep it Other comments:

- I'd run Solis-Tek over Lumatek any day. I've run dozens of each and the Solis-Tek are higher quality, same price.
- Good choice on the Hortilux Super HPS, highest initial lumen output of 1000W bulbs
- Drizair 1200 is not a good bang for your buck. It's $1400-1500 for 60 pints/day. Check out the Fantech industrial series. I run several of their 105 pint units and they are only $400-500 and draw 6-7 amps.
- I use anywhere from 75-90 multi feed sites and I run a Simmer 1HP Shallow Well Jet Pump. In fact I've set up about 6 rooms with the exact same unit. They are absolutely unbreakable, give them a look and see what you think.

 

[Treetroit City]

While I wouldn't go with the driz 1200 either, lets be fair.

The Fantech units are rated at saturation(not AHAM) so if you were to compare the 105 Fantech(really a 60) with the driz they are pretty much the same.

"When comparing capacity of dehumidifiers, especially commercial grade vs. residential grade, be careful to compare apples-to-apples. AHAM vs. saturation is a commonly confused issue when it comes to dehumidifiers and their capacities. Some manufacturers rate their dehumidifiers at AHAM and some at saturation. The concept is that a dehumidifier takes out a lot less water in a dry environment (e.g., desert) than it would in a moist environment (e.g., rainforest). If a manufacturer states the capacity of their unit, or how much water it can take out of the air per day, they should also state under what conditions."

The Fantech at AHAM is a 60 pint per day as is the driz 1200


Oh yeah, if you haven't purchased your lights yet go with Gavita's or E-paps.

 

[ceosam]

i happen to be sitting on some lumatek 240v's and thats why i went that route over solistek... yes the boys over at greencoast have me sold. also i plan on alternating sprays of floramite, avid, and forbid

i will definitely check out the fantech units and probably just go straight with simmer 1hp so i can have really even feedings

 

[budleydoright]

I do 10k and have had less pest problems since I stopped using avid. I used neem and azamax every few days for a few weeks and haven't seen a bug in almost a year now.

Like you, I treat early on while they're little and only if needed after that.

Just my experience, not dissing on your system. I just really started feeling better about my product when it started becoming more organic in the pest control department.

Got to check out that fantech. I'm using an lg 65 pint and a window ac converted to a dehuey. Would be nice to reduce the power consumption on that.





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[medicalmj]

also i plan on alternating sprays of floramite, avid, and forbid

Looking forward to seeing this one unfold!

While alternating chemicals that have different modes of action (not just different chemical) are the best way to handle pest, at least on of those pesticides is not approved for food crops and do all three have different modes of action?

I would not use any of those unless I had an out of control infestation. These chemicals have recommended max usage per season, usually around 2. I highly recommend, as others have too, you investigate all other options.

For example, research shows Rosemary oil is as effective on spider mites as the leading chemicals. Similarly, spinosad is as effective on thrips as the leading chemicals. Neem, which has been mentioned a few times is a great all around spray. If you're looking for a great preventative this is the one to use. Unlike chemical pesticides, pests do not become resistant to neem. And it has a broad spectrum good for molds, PM, spidermites, FG larvae and more.

Other than that are you gonna do top feed dtw? Sounds like you're going w coco/perlite in smart pots. What size pots? And how many per light and ft^2. I love my 100% coco dtw in airpots. I have 3 plants in each diy 2x6 tray on wheels with 1/2" drain tube to the drain. It sits a couple inches off the ground and lets me grow em big.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Sounds like you'll have a nice room to play in.

 

[TheCleanGame]

Bag the avid and the poison. Use neem , azamax and pyrithium.

You can nay-say all you want but I recommend against the Azamax or any other Azadirachtin product on the market. Azamax, Aza-Sol, Azatrol... they all have azadirachtin in them.

Azadirachtin is bad news for cannabis and time will prove me right. It's a subtle issue that took me nearly 2 years to figure out. Stay away.

Keep it Clean!

 

[budleydoright]

I used neem consistently for a couple of weeks and azmax once. Mosquito dunks regularly.

That rid my grow of pests.

Before that, I used avid for 2 years.

This is just my experience, not a suggestion that it's the answer for all situations.

 

[RB26]

While I wouldn't go with the driz 1200 either, lets be fair.

The Fantech units are rated at saturation(not AHAM) so if you were to compare the 105 Fantech(really a 60) with the driz they are pretty much the same.

"When comparing capacity of dehumidifiers, especially commercial grade vs. residential grade, be careful to compare apples-to-apples. AHAM vs. saturation is a commonly confused issue when it comes to dehumidifiers and their capacities. Some manufacturers rate their dehumidifiers at AHAM and some at saturation. The concept is that a dehumidifier takes out a lot less water in a dry environment (e.g., desert) than it would in a moist environment (e.g., rainforest). If a manufacturer states the capacity of their unit, or how much water it can take out of the air per day, they should also state under what conditions."

The Fantech at AHAM is a 60 pint per day as is the driz 1200


Oh yeah, if you haven't purchased your lights yet go with Gavita's or E-paps.

Ok, that's fair. But I still wouldn't spend $1500 on a Driz when you could get a Quest 105 for the same price. For that matter, I wouldn't get either of those units for this room. Don't get me wrong, I'm always for overbuilding things, but he simply doesn't need to spend $1500 on a dehumidifier on a 6 lighter. I just saw it as an easy option for saving some money ($1,000) and not sacrificing much performance.

 

[ceosam]

regarding fantechs... the only reason i had picked the driz is because i saw a authorized dealer selling them for $600 in my area

regarding pests.... guys its not like im spraying avid on the daily here. i only spray once-- when the clones are still together on the prop tray. the stuff never goes near my flowers, skin or mouth.

@medicalmj - i did a few 4x8 with two 4x4 smartpot liners with coco60% perlite40% last time and it went really well, but i may drop the perlite to 20% or even entirely..... not sure how many per light, maybe 25 for the first few. after the first 2-3 runs i will probably switch to coco trees each with its own 2x2 tray on casters for maximum awesome... also add a bulb or two, havent tried drawing out a 13x17 barebulb room yet to see how many i can squeeze in there (thinking of a 35k mr slim for this reason)