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4800watts of 600 vs 4000watts of 1kw
- Thread starter merkaba
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Four lights four tables.
Mabe depends on adequit ceiling height homie? Do it how YOU like Peace
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shuswap
i run 4x8 tables and can say thru trial and error that u will get more even coverage with 3 600s per 4x8 then 2 1ks,the 1ks leave dark edges,i have tried with adjutawings and with lr 1000 shades and 600s hands down rock!
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DHF
Gotta step up and say although the standard for 4 x 4 coverage on horizontal flat grows with flood tables has always been 1KW .....
Most all my old head Growbro`s that`re stuck in their ways have finally adapted to 4-600`s over their 4 x 8 tables and why ?.......
The lights can get closer to the canopy , and the 4 dropped reflectors cover all those dark spots the original 2 reflectors can`t catch on the periphery of the full table......and....
They`re getting full dialed canopy from every sq inch of the table compared to the outside plants not swellin as much with the original 2 light setup....but.....
I see Dansbuds point in that less is more........but again....If yas can improve on what`s regular then that`s a good thingy in my book......IOW.....
1200 watts with 2 fixtures over a 4 x 4 canopy with dialed results and every plant turning out the same come chop for consistent results , trumps 1KW over the same area with the outer perimeter suffering and not developing as well as the inner canopy and affecting bottom line yields.....but......
Initial equipment cost setup is more , even though return on investment will be rewarded in the long run.......
Many ways to skin a mule....
Peace....DHF.....
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Most all my old head Growbro`s that`re stuck in their ways have finally adapted to 4-600`s over their 4 x 8 tables and why ?.......
The lights can get closer to the canopy , and the 4 dropped reflectors cover all those dark spots the original 2 reflectors can`t catch on the periphery of the full table......and....
They`re getting full dialed canopy from every sq inch of the table compared to the outside plants not swellin as much with the original 2 light setup....but.....
I see Dansbuds point in that less is more........but again....If yas can improve on what`s regular then that`s a good thingy in my book......IOW.....
1200 watts with 2 fixtures over a 4 x 4 canopy with dialed results and every plant turning out the same come chop for consistent results , trumps 1KW over the same area with the outer perimeter suffering and not developing as well as the inner canopy and affecting bottom line yields.....but......
Initial equipment cost setup is more , even though return on investment will be rewarded in the long run.......
Many ways to skin a mule....
Peace....DHF.....
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I think that a three by three sweet spot is typical.
Cutting the corners to a much simpler set up would be my plan of attack.
If you want to run a bunch of 600's I'd say "Hey those are way efficient."
Just way more money and time but tomato tomato...
Cutting the corners to a much simpler set up would be my plan of attack.
If you want to run a bunch of 600's I'd say "Hey those are way efficient."
Just way more money and time but tomato tomato...
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DHF
I think the biggest difference in 2-1KW`s or even 3-600`s "inline" over 4 x 8 tables , is that with rectangular air-cooled hoods run the length of the tables the outer perimeter of the tables suffer......as to where ....
What my Bro`s have done is run the reflectors "sideways" perpendicular over the tables for waaaay better footprint coverage with 2 lights over each 4 x 4 area , and with more watts per sq ft plus the lights can stay closer to the canopy once environment`s dialed for a win win IME............anyways.....
Thoughts to ponder.......DHF..........
What my Bro`s have done is run the reflectors "sideways" perpendicular over the tables for waaaay better footprint coverage with 2 lights over each 4 x 4 area , and with more watts per sq ft plus the lights can stay closer to the canopy once environment`s dialed for a win win IME............anyways.....
Thoughts to ponder.......DHF.....
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BasementGrower
id listen to DHF!!!.. hes got lots of info in the head of his.. and all of it that ive read so far has been good shit..
mdk ktm
Member
a dude named pico used to straight up KILL IT with 3 600's over a 4x8. I think he also experiments with 4 600's over each table also in his log. I will try to find it because I want to go through it again.
also a guy named eminem used to run a warehouse with nothing but 600's im not sure if the log is still on here or not...
I have always ran 1k's but have been thinking about trying a few 6's out lately. If surgro would make a 5 or 6 ballast 600 watt version of that awesome new digital/dimmable/ built in flip-flop ballast they build I would buy one for sure.
also a guy named eminem used to run a warehouse with nothing but 600's im not sure if the log is still on here or not...
I have always ran 1k's but have been thinking about trying a few 6's out lately. If surgro would make a 5 or 6 ballast 600 watt version of that awesome new digital/dimmable/ built in flip-flop ballast they build I would buy one for sure.
Northstar22
Member
I like 1kw better but 4 600s would be nice for sure
I've seen a lot of grows where people grow on tables, with some room inbetween the tables to walk through. A lot of light seems to be lost on the edges and between the tables.
Surely there must be easy ways to use that light efficiently? Moveable walls and tables for when you need access, and when you don't everything is close together thus no gaps and loss of light...
Surely there must be easy ways to use that light efficiently? Moveable walls and tables for when you need access, and when you don't everything is close together thus no gaps and loss of light...
Seems like ya already have your mind set on 600's over the tables . i was just suggesting the thoueys cuz its less hoods ballasts & bulbs to replace . i personally run 3 600's over a 4 x 8 & it works great for light spread ... but everybodys situation is different & its basicly up to you as to what you want to do .
good luck no matter what ya decide to do brother
good luck no matter what ya decide to do brother
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shuswap
sprinkl you are quite right abou gaps between tables,i have all of mine on wheels so when normal situation occurs they are all tight,when i need to get in to water,or tend to i roll them apart and its an awesome set up like that,as far as blbs go im using plantmax and replace twice a year,there cheap and disposable
I think the biggest difference in 2-1KW`s or even 3-600`s "inline" over 4 x 8 tables , is that with rectangular air-cooled hoods run the length of the tables the outer perimeter of the tables suffer......as to where ....
What my Bro`s have done is run the reflectors "sideways" perpendicular over the tables for waaaay better footprint coverage with 2 lights over each 4 x 4 area , and with more watts per sq ft plus the lights can stay closer to the canopy once environment`s dialed for a win win IME............anyways.....
Thoughts to ponder.......DHF.....
Listen to fred
. There is a reason we call them "the rules"
mdk ktm
Member
check out stoney419's grow here. lots of good info on the 600's plus some sick ass buds.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=77825
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=77825
Nobody nor the OP is mentioning plants numbers & size. Distribution is one thing, but penetration needs to be considered.
If growing horizontally I prefer three 600w over a 4x8 table with around 18-21 plants. 600s in my opinion win on efficiency, light dispersion, and environmental control. I get better yields consistently with 3 600w in a 4x8 tent vs. 2k in the same space...although I more contribute it to better overall temps.
That said someone planning to run 8 hogs in a 4x8 space might do better with two 1k lights for better canopy penetration. I know everyone is on the defoliation kick, but 1ks still dig deeper into the plant for better overall bud density. I've never grown the Louisville slugger colas with 600s as I have with 1ks.
I think the answer would be determinant on style and plant numbers/size that one decides to go with.
FTW though.. is 600w lights every 3' (anymore then 3.5' and valleys can occur) and 4plant per Sq Ft SOG tables. 128 plants on a 4x8 table..root to fruit. 32 on a 4x8 (1per sq ft) table is nice too if looking to decrease plant #s with each plant being topped twice for a total of 128 colas.. everything else stripped..
The bigger the plants you grow.. the more you're going to need those thousands for nice nuggage. Find the combo you're comfortable with and monocrop the heck out of it.
Just my 2c
I personally would go with 600s and something like these if you've got the budget. The bees knees. Gives ya the mobility you need as shuswap was mentioning above.
If growing horizontally I prefer three 600w over a 4x8 table with around 18-21 plants. 600s in my opinion win on efficiency, light dispersion, and environmental control. I get better yields consistently with 3 600w in a 4x8 tent vs. 2k in the same space...although I more contribute it to better overall temps.
That said someone planning to run 8 hogs in a 4x8 space might do better with two 1k lights for better canopy penetration. I know everyone is on the defoliation kick, but 1ks still dig deeper into the plant for better overall bud density. I've never grown the Louisville slugger colas with 600s as I have with 1ks.
I think the answer would be determinant on style and plant numbers/size that one decides to go with.
FTW though.. is 600w lights every 3' (anymore then 3.5' and valleys can occur) and 4plant per Sq Ft SOG tables. 128 plants on a 4x8 table..root to fruit. 32 on a 4x8 (1per sq ft) table is nice too if looking to decrease plant #s with each plant being topped twice for a total of 128 colas.. everything else stripped..
The bigger the plants you grow.. the more you're going to need those thousands for nice nuggage. Find the combo you're comfortable with and monocrop the heck out of it.
Just my 2c
I personally would go with 600s and something like these if you've got the budget. The bees knees. Gives ya the mobility you need as shuswap was mentioning above.
