2 weeks into 12/12 and barley any bud growth??

[Rollin Face]

Ok heres day 16 of these 3 plants, 2 cherry ak and a skunk

i had a tiny case of pm, well i saw the mold which means it already id its cycle in my plants so i dipped them in a solution ive heard great results with, however other than that dipping i dont really know whats going on here, i havent grown anyhting in over 8 months so forgive me if i might seems too worrysome, but for day 16 to all you actual expierenced growers, arent these plants supposed to habe produced BIGGER buds by now?

im using ff of, ff red bag, and ff LW as soil medium and using PH water with PBP nutes

i mean they have started producing but not nearly as much as i would have thought..and i dont really know why that is, ill let the pics do the talking


Skunk:

AK:

so yeah the sites are just so damn tiny it seems, or am i just impatient and this is all natural?

 

[jm420]

be patient your plants look great ,alot of strains still veg for 2 weeks into 12/12,my mazarr looks just like that after 2 weeks my thai isnt even close to that

 

[chuckyoufarley]

Rollin Face they look spot on to me for 2 weeks 12/12.
looking good keepem green-n-girlie

 

[Rollin Face]

phew! thanks for the quick response guys, makes me feel alot less anxious now, its much appreciated.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

ive got the same issues. red petioles and all. i think its maybe a little K deficient. im gonna look around some more and see what i can dig up. this is an f1 of my last grow and i know the flowers packed on much sooner. im like 2-3 weeks into 12/12 i gotta go look at my logs, but i know im coming up on week 3 if not already in it. the flowers should be further along. im hoping the low night temps arent stalling my growth. i might need to get a heatpad in there to keep the roots warm at night.

 

[molly]

you can still give them a dose of N, and that will help them finish out their growth spurt.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i added more flower nutes, and a touch of epsom salts. they are looking better today and seem to be growing again. i also transplanted one of mine. but thats because its a sativa and it was in a cutoff 2L bottle. now that the stretch is over im looking for some huge flower action.


how are your plants looking still the same? try starting with a dose of epsom salts.

 

[StickyIcky29A]

Looks on good to me. Strains I have personally grown, tend to stretch first when flipped to 12/12. Then they bud.

 

[Rollin Face]

well i am seeing improving growth but not much....hmm seems it might be locked out or something the next watering ima hit em with molasses or bloom nutes...but i typically dont give bloom nutes twice in a row its water then bloom nutes and then water as far as my waterings go....or is this not a good idea?

 

[Rollin Face]

yeah there is def something up here, i just snapped some pics and i dont think this is what a plant in a 5 gal under a 400w hps at day 24 should look like, i mean i took pics next to a damn penny! its pathetic!! i need to save this grow...help!

like i said the only problem ive had was the PM in the past which i dont believe has come back....besides that should i just flush or what? and if i do that then should i put anything in the plant after i flush it ot just leave it with plain h20?

...not cool

 

[stihgnobevoli]

try upping the dose of flower nutes next time you feed. searching around purple /red petioles and veins is indicative of phosphorous def. i said K but i meant P i always get em mixed up. mg and mn periodic table. you would think potassium would be po and phosphorous ph and manganese ma and magnesium mg. sodium na. but anyway try doubling the dose of flower ferts you usually give. i upped mine to 1.5 x and added some epsom salts. flowers look fluffier than they've been in weeks.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Gosh Batman..... what the F' did ya dip them in???

Seriously. I don't know the seed source or how long my Skunk#1 is supposed to flower but it has buds that size by day 6. Sitting at day 21 (with a week of stunted growth) has buds 4 times that size.

I have a princess diesel that's sitting at day 21 with a few hairs and thick clusters of leaves the size of your thumb that are just now starting to bud out.

Whatever you dipped it in seems to have taken care of the PM but also your yield in the bargain? Here's hoping it "Fills Out" better than that?

 

[Rollin Face]

well the dip is a measure that i thought was quite common, it is Dutch Masters Zone and Penetrator, i read about it in this thread: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=43220&highlight=powdery+mildew+rx
it says it can be used up until harvest, although i wouldent. The dipping didnt affect the plant very much, just burned a few leaves....but yeah so im guessing to either flush it completley or up the nutes....they just look a little rough.

 

[sahima]

The buds are ok for their age. Obviously you have prune the plant, and you have too many bud sites, usually with this type of pruning you expect many many smaller buds instead of few large colas. Good luck with the grow!!

 

[mysta177]

Very nice Rollin!.........Man your coming jus fine brotha yield comes with years of exp. I think your running a too hot of a mix. FoxFarm is hot as it is and then you add PBP......a lil too hot IMO. Im going to exp with this same mix your doing but I think im going to have to use Happy Frog in stead of the 3 bag mix. On the other hand the PM most deff contributed to the stunt growth. Im pretty sure you had the PM from clone....hell all your clones probibley have it. If you see PM then its been on your plants for a while. And you might want to see what your night temps get at it if its not below 65 then thay can be it also! no matter how much you get out of it as long as it tastes like last time!

 

[FreezerBoy]

Dude, you gotta shrink those pictures. There's nothing in them that warrants chewing up bandwidth that our hosts have been kind enough to provide. Any of those shots could be displayed at a height of 200 pixels with no loss of info. Limit them to 800x600 and maintain the thumb feature. If someone wants to see a bigger shot they can click on it.

 

[Greyskull]

The ZONE+PENETRATOR did not discourage the buds sights from gaining size.

The only thing I can think of concerning the small bud sights is how big the plant is & how many budsights are on the plant.

Maybe you have too many budsights on the plant? You mentioned 5g containers - those can hold pretty big plants. Did you veg the plants large?

A plant is only capable of producing X amount of buds over Y amount of bud sights... MORE SIGHTS = LESS SIZE ... does that make sense?

I had a plant that I thought was going to produce a boatload of killer Grape Romulan, when instead it produced a pain in the ass harvest, and ended up lacking the size & bag appeal of different GR crops that I have done.

Here's that big PITA plant at week 3... had about a 4ft circumference in a 2g pot.




Here's some Grape Rom in a 2g pot, not overgrown. Big difference. Got top dollar for this crop...



Really pruning the shit out of all the inner & lower sights would have helped alleviate the small buds issue.

Hope this helps you some

 

[Rollin Face]

wow yeah Greyskull thanks for that info, that actually makes alot of sense..and yes i grew these out in veg for quite some time, the plan was to bush them out but i didnt really thing of the size versus the sites

and yeah Mysta after talking with our buddy im def gonna try that mix the next time i hit the hydro store...i also think i made the soil not airy enough, ahh damn gotta tackle the PM and live n learn to try to find the best method...

ok so if large bushes arent NECESSARILY better, how in you guys' opinion can one make the best yeild, i also love LST methods...

 

[molly]

you would think potassium would be po and phosphorous ph and manganese ma and magnesium mg. sodium na.

It's because they are Latin abbreviations, e.g. Iron, Fe, ferrum; Potassium, K, kalium; Sodium, Na, natrium; and so on.

 

[BENJI]

wow yeah Greyskull thanks for that info, that actually makes alot of sense..and yes i grew these out in veg for quite some time, the plan was to bush them out but i didnt really thing of the size versus the sites

and yeah Mysta after talking with our buddy im def gonna try that mix the next time i hit the hydro store...i also think i made the soil not airy enough, ahh damn gotta tackle the PM and live n learn to try to find the best method...

ok so if large bushes arent NECESSARILY better, how in you guys' opinion can one make the best yeild, i also love LST methods...

Try bigger pots and more light also i use an organic additive called monstabud also pk13-14 helps the buds become denser...
Ps i always LST or i just bend the branches to shape the plant, bigger buds with one main cola are not necessary better i get a better yield if i have more sites more light and more space for the roots to grow(and some flowering additives)... Those buds should fill out in the last couple of weeks good luck...