2-3kw setup

[Jono]

alright
no more closet/cabinet grows.
let's talk real grows...

shitty family situation, need to start growin' again. 5 years experience indoor and outdoor. never done commercial, and not really planning a big commercial grow, just headies- enough to support a desperate family member for now until real income can come in (real $$$ from job is 5 years off, family extremely desperate)
i want to grow at least 1.5 lbs a month of good, top-notch organics.
2kw will do it i know, 3 kw will grow over 2 lbs/month i'm guessing (after a couple harvests...)

but if i want more than that, what shall i do?

2 kw setup

2x1000w light= $600-900
fans/vent = $600
carbon filter = $350
organics = $400
seeds/clones = $400
othershit = $800

total $3000 for a 2kw-3kw setup, flowering,
$3600 with veg setup for this amount (1/5 cost- already have some equipment)

i need an output of 1.5-2.5 lbs/month (2 lbs/month would be perfect)

am i on point here? seriously, need help. any comments will help. THIS IS NOT FOR LIVING LARGE, OR BULLSHIT, i gave up growing a while back but a family member (my mother) needs serious financial assistance. shit is fucked up right now, HELP!!!

 

[Jono]

what the f#ck???

what the f#ck???

my 600w hortilux cab is from Overgrow.com

that's over 2 years old. almost 3 years old.

why does ICmag have this info? i never gave any of this out anywhere but Overgrow.com. i am a little skeptical.

 

[Kush King]

If you no how to grow then your on point..

its up to you to go buy the shit and set it up. If you want 2 pounds a month then ud need 2 rooms It be easyer with 3 rooms.

1 room for the mother / clones or the veg cab.

2 rooms for flowering and each is 1 month flowering time apart from eachother with 3800gs Id be out to home depot for my lumber nail screws and so on and get building.

Sound like mom needs the help.

Id start of with ordering my seeds Right now get a few good mothers well your getting the grow rooms redy.

 

[Jono]

yeah- i know 2 rooms.

a small clone/momma room- maybe 400-600w hps and some floros for the early clones

and 2-3kw in the flowering

maybe scrog? or bush? no fuckin' way SOG. plant # with SOG scare the shit outta me. i gotta figure shit out. any veterans out there? SCROG sucks with veg, SOG is the most efficient, but, by nature, has max plant #'s- which legally SUCKS. i would know, as a wannabe lawyer.
advice, if you would?

 

[Kush King]

your worried about plant count fuck that shit your growing dope man.

Sog it if you now that works for you...

Id do it on a drip system on 4x8 hydro tables 2 tables 1 in each room say 1000 hps and a 600hps in each room or 2 1000 in each room...

co2,sulfer burner,dehum,humdfiyer,Chiller,heater and youd have your premo 2-3k setup all running in no time .

Id Turn this project into a bedroom or a garadge.

 

[NiteTiger]

Kush is right, this is a garage op (tap that 220!), you need to start moms ASAP, and SOG is the way to go.

You don't need $400 worth of seeds - your not opening a Baskin Robbins here, no need for 31 flavors. Drop maybe $200 on a couple of packs of nice genes, and find a few good mothers. Running multiple strains is inadvisable commercially, you run into different nutrient requirements, different stretches, different finishing time, etc. Pick one good strain, and run with it.

But before you even start browsing seedbanks, you need to be thinking about distribution. This is what will make or break you. Do you have one person that can handle 2 pounds a month? If not, you need to find one. Yes, one. You start slingin' zips, and your mom, in addition to all her other problems, now has to scratch up bail for her baby. If you can't find one trustworthy person, you need to scrap the idea. Period.

Also, shop those prices. Just because you've got $3600 doesn't mean you should waste it. 1ks can be had for $200, 600s for under $100. 2 8" 747CFM fans would only run you $450 (including speed controllers), and 1 should do it. Carbon filters are an easy DIY project, and for under $200 you could have a Vaportek.

Also, are you sure you need to pull 2 pounds a month? I'm not sure where you're at, but 5k a month (bargain basement prices) is awfully comfortable living in my neck of the woods. Re-examining your needs could lower your necessary yeilds, and the assosciated heat.

My

 

[CarharttKidd]

You are smart to worry about numbers. Mandantory minimum sentencing laws are messed up. The easiest way to have a harvest every month would be with soil in my opinion. The comment about 3 rooms is pretty acurate in my expierence if it is your aspiration to cut some down once a month. You could do it with a flip flop box so you could save $ on ballasts. Plastic containers would be easiest to move around. I would go with 15 gal. or so. You could fill out your screens in the veg area and throw them into bloom about once every 3 weeks or so. I would guess your veg would take around 30 days, maybe more. That means you need room for probably 18 plants in the veg area, plus clones plus mothers. You would want to harvest 1/3 of your bloom rooms at any given time assuming your strain matures in about 90 days. sooooo if you had 3kw on a flip flop that would give you 6kw total divided by 3 is 2kw per harvest so you're lookin at a minimum of 2 lbs per harvest, upwards of 2 kilo's per harvest when you get the system dialed. I would go with 6-9 plants per 1k, 9 bein pretty ideal. That would mean you would have 54 total and cut down 18 about once a month.

For OMRI organics

I like earth juice

Earth crew bio hume is good stuff if you can find it.

Mushroom compost is a very good thing to add to your soil. Pretty sure black gold has their own. I always used the stuff the local guys had available in bulk.

For almost organic the pure blend pro veg and soil bloom is pretty damn good. The liquid karma is good too.

If you are really worried about the numbers, fuck all the bullshit and go KFB. It's not organic and its not cheap and it wouldnt be easy to dial it in for monthly harvests but damn you could have a serious chunk off of only a few plants every 4 months. You said 2 lbs is ideal a month, so you could accomplish the same thing with KFB system with 6 plants or less, depending on strain and skill. Off of 6 you could pull upwards of 12 with the right strain and with it dialed in.

The remark about the garage or spare bed room was also pretty dead on.

Best of luck to your mother. I hope this works out good for you. Stay safe.

 

[l_d_d]

imo you should think about hydro....

maybe DWC if #'s are a concern

 

[CarharttKidd]

Hydro is much more expensive to get set up, and it would be hard to have a continuous harvest without alot of numbers. KFB is the best way to go if you got an unlimited budget and numbers are a concern, however, you sacrifice the monthly cut downs unless you want to have an insane start up cost with the KFB system.

 

[l_d_d]

Well I disagree on some of that personally.

IMo hydro will yield much more, dude is growing for yield.
Anything that is more expensive will not only pay for itself the first harvest imo, but most likely hes not going to have to go out and spend alot on dirt again.... if gonna do more than 1 run..... hydro you just need new nutes and mine usually last for awile.

How many soil plants are you putting under a light?

You cannot do the same in a type of hydro system?

There are alot more ways than KFB's, you planning on doing that much light on that # of plants in soil???

IMO a Dwc bucket takes as much space if not more than a large soil plant,... then if you go rubbermaid tubs or similar....

You could even go e/f and just put the size of soil pots youd be using on your tray, thus same amount of numbers.

Im not knockin your soil bro, but if your growing for yield imo you should use a hydro system.

 

[Wrecked]

If you want the best bud do it in soil... Hydro would yeild better but it wouldnt be the same quality as soil... I have run the same clones in same enviornment and if your smoking it soil is the way to go... If your good with soil you can almost get the same yeild as hydro and i find my soil buds are much denser.... Hydro isnt more expensive nessiarly to setup cause in a big opp you will need tons of soil and with the same amount you could of come up with a hydro sytem... PeAcE

 

[Blunt_69]

Agree and Disagree. hmmm.. Some valid points about yeilds and cost to setup.

Myself (ive done both) soil vs hydro(yeild growth time) Hydro kicks soils ass all over the place. Plus dirt gets problimatic with higher plant numbers. If it were me I would setup a larger NFT system with PVC pipe or a bucket(DWC) Hydro system. If you want max yeild max growth time, soil is outta the question. 2 flower rooms is advisable, that way you can perpetually harvest, and keep your power bill looking normal with a flip flop.You only need one ballast for both rooms(saving money) For the veg room ebb/flow hydro system with a 600W hortilux, would be perfect.

 

[whoamI?whoRu!]

4 40W flouro's for cuttings
1 400MH for Moms...which you can keep in 1gal pots for 1 1/2-2yrs btw.

Intake/exhaust fans and carbon filter
Plastic for the room plus Panda as needed
2-3 shades
2-3 HPS 1K
5x5' and 25 plants per light
1gal pots, sunshine #1 or 4 or similar
6" "troughs" on sawhorses to place the pots on and direct runoff. (I can't recall what they are called...a major building supply store has these steel parts for building walls or something. You can get 6" wide 10' long pieces that are used as 'tops' or 'caps' or some shit)
Stakes
1/2" Poly hose and fittings, feeder line
Pump
Timer for the lights...thermostat for the fans
Dehumidifier (not supposed to expose carbon to more than 65-70% RH)

Take cuts...roots in 8-14 days
Plant and veg for 14 days
Flower for 49-56 days

 

[Kush King]

20 plants a light is pushing it.

1 gal pots... common now that asking for root bound. 3 gal atleast.

Sunshin mix #3

Hydro !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

3 rooms. 3 (or 2 if you want to miss your target) x 600w in each flower room (one month apart). c. 15 plants in each flower room. c. 800 watts in veg room. rock n roll.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Anything that is more expensive will not only pay for itself the first harvest imo, but most likely hes not going to have to go out and spend alot on dirt again.... if gonna do more than 1 run..... hydro you just need new nutes and mine usually last for awile.

Not necessarily...

 

[TokenBlackGuy]

I would run
5 Homeboxes or Hydro Huts= 1000-1200
5 6 inch squrriel cage blowers or inline fans= 500-750
5 DIY Carbon Filter= 150
2 1000 or 600 watt ballast=450-500
4 bulbs= 300-400
400 watt MH- 150
Timers, extension cords misc- 100
Soil and Ferts-100
Flip Flop Relay- 350
Air Conditioner- 200
Good Genetics 150
this seems to cover it all.. it definelty goes over your current budget but the best thing about this system is that you can add on as you get more money.. you can first start out with the 400 MH system veg and then buy 2 homeboxes with a 600 or 1000 HPS, fan and carbon filter in them.. Also if you ever wanted to sell the system, you could sell it as a whole for atleast 700 ( fan,light and homebox) and male some of your money back.. plus its easily collpasible and transportable...

 

[Guest]

i would veg under one of those 8 light T5 kits for 8 weeks while you flower in a 5x15 area with 3000

each 1000w has 9 7 gallon widemouths in it

use 1 12" inline fan and filter to cool the whole thing, you wont have to aircool your lights or do anythign stupid like that just run the fan and have some passive intakes