Abstract
GrowHouse/Room’s exhausting air is treated with strong acids compounds to react with odorous materials such as Piperidine, Pyridine, Dimethylamine, Pyrrole etc emanating from the growing area. A fine spray of an aqueous solution of the acids compound (a strong but green acid compound material) is applied over a sealed air tank. The acids compounds react with the odorous materials in the vapor zone of the tank, converting the odorous compounds to non-odorous compounds. This is a 100% odor erasing solution.
1. Science Theory Analysis
Cannabis’ Condensate Ingredient Analysis:
Why these weeds emit such skunk odor? First, we should take a look at the chemical materials contained in Marijuana. We focus on most smell materials from the Marijuana’s ingredient and find out that the materials are:
1) Acids: Hexanoic, Heptanoic, Octanoic, Benzoic, Slicylic, Hexadecanoic, Heptadecanoic and Octadecanoic;
2) Bases: Dimethylamine, Piperidine, Pyridine, 2-Methylpyridine, Pyrrole, 3 (and/or4) methylpyrdine and di-methylpyridine.
Among these chemical materials, Piperidine, Pyridine and Pyrrole are very odorous materials.
(Referred to Louis A. Jones and Robet S Foote, 1972)
All materials listed above, can quickly/easily dissolve with water, Alcohol. Meanwhile, because of bases characteristic, Piperidine, Pyridine and Pyrrole are easily reacted on some strong acids such as hydrochloric acid and sulfuric acid etc.
The reaction time is around 1~2 second (Average), and convert Pyridine, Pyrrole, and Piperidine into PiperidineAcids (kind of non odorous salt for Medicine usage usually).
Obviously, this chemical odor control solution is more efficient and economic than physical scrub methods (such as Activate Carbon Scrubber). Thus, Industrial odor control solutions are mostly based on Chemical Reaction Solutions because it is more efficient, less cost and feasible for a large and strong odor site (such as wastewater lagoon etc).
However, Industrial solution usually need a high hard-shell tower to contain air and misting fog, to scarify space to earn time that allows chemical reaction can be completed. For plain customer (family style), the hard-shell tower/tank is a very expensive investment and hard to transportation and installation as well. So if principle proves that water plus some acids can kill odor emanating from weeds completely, how to make it to be true should be a challenge for me.
I want to discuss it detail in coming section – Technical Engineering Solution.
Some Industrial Scrubber pics:
Technical Engineering Solution
My final target is:
1) Build an affordable Odor Control System based on Misting (Chemical Elimination) Solution; Here, So called affordable means whole cost is under US$1K (normally, an industrial Odor Control System with Misting Devices is over US$10K as minimum config).
2) Build an easy set-up, easy maintenance and very low cost running fee Misting System
a) The misting system should be having a flexible soft&mini reaction tower/tank to make set-up, maintenance and delivery easily and stealthily as possible.
b) Misting pump group and control subsystem should have self-error-detection, pressure measure etc functionalities and automatic device switching as essential.
c) A higher efficient misting pump should be adopted in this solution: The pump should give high fluid pressure to make Droplets less than 1/10th the size of a human hair. So the fog (mist) can exhibit a large surface area for the volume. The water in the molecule flash evaporates leaving the odor chemical free to attach itself to the malodor using van deWaal's law; successfully attaching itself and falling to the ground to degrade or dissolved into water.
d) Whole system’s power should be under 30W to keep running fee lowest as possible, and meanwhile, this pump can handle with strong acids or bases fluid as essential.
e) All materials and devices should be very easily to set-up, fix and replace. Real customers need some kind of one-minute quick set-up/fix tech to install/maintenance their devices.
f) For chemical odor control materials, they should be cheap and easy-carry on or easily purchase as possible. For a 3KW growroom, the annual fee of chemical materials should under US$40.00 as possible.
3) All chemical materials should be green as essential. That means they are safety for human beings, animals and plants.
4) 90%~99% Odor molecules should be converted into non-odor molecules finally. So there is only free-odor air exhausted from your ventilation pipes.
5) Odor Control’s efficiency should be very high. For a 0.5X0.5X1.6meter misting tower (suit for 3KW growroom), the average odor remove ratio could be 8~12 m^3(cubic meter) or around 216~324cfm. So for a 10X15X6 feet growroom, it takes 2~3 minutes to ‘wash’ entire room’s skunk air to non-odor. Meanwhile, for vent fans, the system just needs normal vent fans instead of expensive inline vent fans.
System Design
There are two design solutions to implement this Odor Control method. I list both and give some comparisons as following.
Solution A:
Compressing Malodor Air into Water.
Solution A’s Advantages:
1) Theoretically, malodor molecules dissolve with water completely and react with strong acids to convert into non-skunk materials (salt-kind of) as well.
2) Small Device Space Needed (water tank’s WxL),however water tank’s H should be more higher more efficient as req.
Disadvantages:
1) Need a powerful Air Compressor.
2) Over 2~4kw Electrical Consumption is needed for the Air Compressor Device.
3) Very Expensive for a powerful Air Compressor Device.
4) Very Noise (70~90db)
5) Very Costly for regular maintenance.
Solution B:
Idea would be like following:
1) Water compounds with some strong acids and ethanol;
2) A powerful misting pump makes the water fogging; (10~20misting nozzles to make fog)
3) Misting Fog meet with Malodor Air in a Sealed Tent/Tank;
4) Malodor molecules dissolve with water and ethanol, meanwhile, react with acids as well;
5) Fog molecules contact with de-fog device and convert to liquid status again;
6) The liquid (most of it is water) back to water reservoir and waiting for next fogging loop.
Solution B’s Advantages:
1) 100% Odor erase (Remove All);
2) Less power misting pump group and control system are needed (totally <30W);
3) Very small electrical consumption is needed;
4) In additional, an Air Cooling system is provided due to misting fog can cool down air temperature 5~15 C;
5) Rather cheaper than Solution A, and total cost is cheaper than Activated Carbon Filter Solution as well; (Running fee is very low, water is very cheaper than Activated Carbon, Ethanol/Industrial Alcohol just replaced once per month with 500ml, and 1 pound compounded solid acids just cost you $40 per year)
6) Your ventilation fan just need a normal pipe fan instead of costly inline fan, and some smart fan speed controller can be applied to make a smart vent system as well;
7) Silence System-misting pump’s noise is around 40~50db;
8) Very easy maintenance – per month change water, ethanol/Industrial Alcohol and acids, check the misting pipes and misting nozzles etc.
9) Very long lifetime for usage: Reaction Tent - >10years, Pump Motor – 10years, Pipes – 10 years, Misting Nozzles - >1 year (very cheaper to replacement), Water Filter Shell – 10 years; All under proper usage condition.
10) All materials are green than mean no harm to human beings. Compounded Solid Acids are green as well (of course, you can’t swallow them, and keep out if the eyes, nose and mouth as possible). And They just exist in the sealed tent usually.
Disadvantages:
1) Need a large space – Depends on your growroom size and your vent system’s cfm:
For example, if your room is 9(W)X15(L)X6(H)feet and you want to exchange entire room’s air in 3 minutes, so sthat, your vent system’s cfm is 270; the misting tent size is: 2(W)X2(L)X6(H) feet. Normally, for a 3KW room, a 0.5X0.5X1.7 meter tent is enough.
2) Mostly suit for large growers. For small growers, I will have other low cost, convenience, rechargeable odor control solution. It will be coming soon. Currently, I am testing it. Whole idea is based on a new material which allows react with malodor molecules to convert into non-odor materials. When this material is running off, customer just need put them into some acids liquid (5%acids plus water) overnight, then dry it on an bakery oven (or such stuff), it can be reuse again. This material can be recharged 100 times at least, and for 2~.5KW growrooms, it can work for month before recharged. Detail issue will be posted on other thread.
Tonight, it is too late, I will post my 1st period experiment result (with photos) on next day. For final product, I will post it in couple weeks because some patents issues. If you can any question, you can email me via my ic’s mail box.
GrowHouse/Room’s exhausting air is treated with strong acids compounds to react with odorous materials such as Piperidine, Pyridine, Dimethylamine, Pyrrole etc emanating from the growing area. A fine spray of an aqueous solution of the acids compound (a strong but green acid compound material) is applied over a sealed air tank. The acids compounds react with the odorous materials in the vapor zone of the tank, converting the odorous compounds to non-odorous compounds. This is a 100% odor erasing solution.
1. Science Theory Analysis
Cannabis’ Condensate Ingredient Analysis:
Why these weeds emit such skunk odor? First, we should take a look at the chemical materials contained in Marijuana. We focus on most smell materials from the Marijuana’s ingredient and find out that the materials are:
1) Acids: Hexanoic, Heptanoic, Octanoic, Benzoic, Slicylic, Hexadecanoic, Heptadecanoic and Octadecanoic;
2) Bases: Dimethylamine, Piperidine, Pyridine, 2-Methylpyridine, Pyrrole, 3 (and/or4) methylpyrdine and di-methylpyridine.
Among these chemical materials, Piperidine, Pyridine and Pyrrole are very odorous materials.
(Referred to Louis A. Jones and Robet S Foote, 1972)
All materials listed above, can quickly/easily dissolve with water, Alcohol. Meanwhile, because of bases characteristic, Piperidine, Pyridine and Pyrrole are easily reacted on some strong acids such as hydrochloric acid and sulfuric acid etc.
The reaction time is around 1~2 second (Average), and convert Pyridine, Pyrrole, and Piperidine into PiperidineAcids (kind of non odorous salt for Medicine usage usually).
Obviously, this chemical odor control solution is more efficient and economic than physical scrub methods (such as Activate Carbon Scrubber). Thus, Industrial odor control solutions are mostly based on Chemical Reaction Solutions because it is more efficient, less cost and feasible for a large and strong odor site (such as wastewater lagoon etc).
However, Industrial solution usually need a high hard-shell tower to contain air and misting fog, to scarify space to earn time that allows chemical reaction can be completed. For plain customer (family style), the hard-shell tower/tank is a very expensive investment and hard to transportation and installation as well. So if principle proves that water plus some acids can kill odor emanating from weeds completely, how to make it to be true should be a challenge for me.
I want to discuss it detail in coming section – Technical Engineering Solution.
Some Industrial Scrubber pics:
Technical Engineering Solution
My final target is:
1) Build an affordable Odor Control System based on Misting (Chemical Elimination) Solution; Here, So called affordable means whole cost is under US$1K (normally, an industrial Odor Control System with Misting Devices is over US$10K as minimum config).
2) Build an easy set-up, easy maintenance and very low cost running fee Misting System
a) The misting system should be having a flexible soft&mini reaction tower/tank to make set-up, maintenance and delivery easily and stealthily as possible.
b) Misting pump group and control subsystem should have self-error-detection, pressure measure etc functionalities and automatic device switching as essential.
c) A higher efficient misting pump should be adopted in this solution: The pump should give high fluid pressure to make Droplets less than 1/10th the size of a human hair. So the fog (mist) can exhibit a large surface area for the volume. The water in the molecule flash evaporates leaving the odor chemical free to attach itself to the malodor using van deWaal's law; successfully attaching itself and falling to the ground to degrade or dissolved into water.
d) Whole system’s power should be under 30W to keep running fee lowest as possible, and meanwhile, this pump can handle with strong acids or bases fluid as essential.
e) All materials and devices should be very easily to set-up, fix and replace. Real customers need some kind of one-minute quick set-up/fix tech to install/maintenance their devices.
f) For chemical odor control materials, they should be cheap and easy-carry on or easily purchase as possible. For a 3KW growroom, the annual fee of chemical materials should under US$40.00 as possible.
3) All chemical materials should be green as essential. That means they are safety for human beings, animals and plants.
4) 90%~99% Odor molecules should be converted into non-odor molecules finally. So there is only free-odor air exhausted from your ventilation pipes.
5) Odor Control’s efficiency should be very high. For a 0.5X0.5X1.6meter misting tower (suit for 3KW growroom), the average odor remove ratio could be 8~12 m^3(cubic meter) or around 216~324cfm. So for a 10X15X6 feet growroom, it takes 2~3 minutes to ‘wash’ entire room’s skunk air to non-odor. Meanwhile, for vent fans, the system just needs normal vent fans instead of expensive inline vent fans.
System Design
There are two design solutions to implement this Odor Control method. I list both and give some comparisons as following.
Solution A:
Compressing Malodor Air into Water.
Solution A’s Advantages:
1) Theoretically, malodor molecules dissolve with water completely and react with strong acids to convert into non-skunk materials (salt-kind of) as well.
2) Small Device Space Needed (water tank’s WxL),however water tank’s H should be more higher more efficient as req.
Disadvantages:
1) Need a powerful Air Compressor.
2) Over 2~4kw Electrical Consumption is needed for the Air Compressor Device.
3) Very Expensive for a powerful Air Compressor Device.
4) Very Noise (70~90db)
5) Very Costly for regular maintenance.
Solution B:
Idea would be like following:
1) Water compounds with some strong acids and ethanol;
2) A powerful misting pump makes the water fogging; (10~20misting nozzles to make fog)
3) Misting Fog meet with Malodor Air in a Sealed Tent/Tank;
4) Malodor molecules dissolve with water and ethanol, meanwhile, react with acids as well;
5) Fog molecules contact with de-fog device and convert to liquid status again;
6) The liquid (most of it is water) back to water reservoir and waiting for next fogging loop.
Solution B’s Advantages:
1) 100% Odor erase (Remove All);
2) Less power misting pump group and control system are needed (totally <30W);
3) Very small electrical consumption is needed;
4) In additional, an Air Cooling system is provided due to misting fog can cool down air temperature 5~15 C;
5) Rather cheaper than Solution A, and total cost is cheaper than Activated Carbon Filter Solution as well; (Running fee is very low, water is very cheaper than Activated Carbon, Ethanol/Industrial Alcohol just replaced once per month with 500ml, and 1 pound compounded solid acids just cost you $40 per year)
6) Your ventilation fan just need a normal pipe fan instead of costly inline fan, and some smart fan speed controller can be applied to make a smart vent system as well;
7) Silence System-misting pump’s noise is around 40~50db;
8) Very easy maintenance – per month change water, ethanol/Industrial Alcohol and acids, check the misting pipes and misting nozzles etc.
9) Very long lifetime for usage: Reaction Tent - >10years, Pump Motor – 10years, Pipes – 10 years, Misting Nozzles - >1 year (very cheaper to replacement), Water Filter Shell – 10 years; All under proper usage condition.
10) All materials are green than mean no harm to human beings. Compounded Solid Acids are green as well (of course, you can’t swallow them, and keep out if the eyes, nose and mouth as possible). And They just exist in the sealed tent usually.
Disadvantages:
1) Need a large space – Depends on your growroom size and your vent system’s cfm:
For example, if your room is 9(W)X15(L)X6(H)feet and you want to exchange entire room’s air in 3 minutes, so sthat, your vent system’s cfm is 270; the misting tent size is: 2(W)X2(L)X6(H) feet. Normally, for a 3KW room, a 0.5X0.5X1.7 meter tent is enough.
2) Mostly suit for large growers. For small growers, I will have other low cost, convenience, rechargeable odor control solution. It will be coming soon. Currently, I am testing it. Whole idea is based on a new material which allows react with malodor molecules to convert into non-odor materials. When this material is running off, customer just need put them into some acids liquid (5%acids plus water) overnight, then dry it on an bakery oven (or such stuff), it can be reuse again. This material can be recharged 100 times at least, and for 2~.5KW growrooms, it can work for month before recharged. Detail issue will be posted on other thread.
Tonight, it is too late, I will post my 1st period experiment result (with photos) on next day. For final product, I will post it in couple weeks because some patents issues. If you can any question, you can email me via my ic’s mail box.
