please help me, im a damsel in distress!!!

hotmamakerr · Jun 26, 2008

hello everyone at ic, I really need some help. I fried my babies a few days ago.
is there any chance they'll come back to life.

or should i give up now n order a new batch???

some are shrivled, a couple are bent over (but have put supports under & they seem to be standing up again). Also a few are just looking quite pale in area's but the new growth is darker.

Should I simply cut off the shriveled leafs and hope that'll give them more energy to cast out new fresh leafs??

messn'n'gommin' · Jun 26, 2008

I say, save the ones you can and to let the ones with partially shriveled leaves go for now, as the burnt and shriveled parts aren't using any energy anyway. They will fall off in their own good time and "helping" them along could present you with other problems later.

Namaste, mess

PharmaCan · Jun 26, 2008

I prefer to cut off/trim the dead and dying leaves, they can lead to rot, and look ugly too. Are those plants under an hps light? Maybe you should consider getting some cfl's to start your little plants.

PC

HeadyPete · Jun 27, 2008

What did you do to fry them?

CosmicGiggle · Jun 27, 2008

They look like they could really use some water. :badday:

RockyMountainHi · Jun 28, 2008

Those peat pots SUCK

they are impossible to keep the right moisture - too dry and the plant can't penetrate, too wet and the plant drowns.

Loose the peat pots and use small styro or plastic cups with good drain holes

rocketman · Jun 28, 2008

Get a water moisture tester for about $5.00 dollars and use it before you water. Don't water untill it gets down to 1 or 2 (in the red). It will take care of the problem. Good luck. RM

RockyMountainHi · Jun 28, 2008

I don't think forcing a probe into the soil and tearing/disturbing roots is a good thing.

It's prety easy to lift the pot and feel the weight.
Light is dry
Heavy is wet

Don't water early

Plus ya save $5

Look Ma, no moisture meter

Look Ma, no moisture meter

HeadyPete · Jun 29, 2008

Well no answer yet....

I'm gonna start by noting the orange hue of the photos and guess that you are frying them under hps light. Get them under low wattage cfls or floro tubes immediately. Cool blue bulbs - 6500K. Orange hps is for flowering bigger plants. What wattage is it?

and water them...and what everyone else said....

Maybe they are already toast......

Suby · Jun 29, 2008

Seedlings and clones always do better under fluros :2cents:

Peat post are the devil's backhair...
That soil mix looks to be without roughage like perlite or even vermiculite?
These help drainage and get roots developing quicker.
You need quality soil to grow quality plants.

RockyMountainHi · Jun 29, 2008

Suby said:
Seedlings and clones always do better under fluros
Peat post are the devil's backhair...
That soil mix looks to be without roughage like perlite or even vermiculite?
These help drainage and get roots developing quicker.
You need quality soil to grow quality plants.

Words of wisdom.

I used to think $25 for a bag of dirt (Foxfarms Ocean Forest) was like Cocaine - Gods way of saying ya had too much money. I as WRONG!

ESPECIALLY getting started. Ph is close - (ya still need to ckeck and adjust for optimum results) - but mix it with pearlite - and it's good to GROW

Summtin like this ----->

REZ's Strawberry D - Original release

And between you and me,,,
I started with peat pot and cheaper soil.

Peat pots suck and cheaper soil costs A LOT MORE.

ps Can you say PH test pen?

If I can do this SO CAN YOU.

thcbear · Jun 30, 2008

as another stated lose the peat. back off of the nutes and dont over water. give em time. i have grown beauties that started off worse than yours so chin and head up.

hotmamakerr · Jul 1, 2008

Hello everyone,
Id like to say ta for all the advice, I hear what your saying.
My babies are under a 400 hps lamp at present, & will need to remain there till I got some more £. But you guys reckon a fluro bulb instead??

The compost is using is Levington's Tomatorite (grow bag)

They were doing fine until a week ago. When I decided to surround them with reflective material (one of those guards to keep to keep the front of the car cool). :bashhead:

Ive been giving them plain H20 ( im very fortunate to be living in the Highlands of Scotland so have very soft water, so I bottle it then use 2/3 days later) since then, & every other day now. Partly because there not drying out as much, as ive raised the lamp.

My heart is elsewhere at the moment........ My dog is dying. Ive had her since she was a puppy. The Vet is coming tomorrow to put her out..
I dont know how to tell my kids

Guest · Jul 1, 2008

Yeah I would recon the 400w hps is wrong for seedlings. Much much better with flouros around 6500k in the color spectrum not hps spectrum. Tell the kids the dog went to a retirement farm and is happy.

ChaosCatalunya · Jul 1, 2008

You did the right thing raising the lamp, that will cool the area around the plants and stop them drying out. Next time, try bringing them on for the first week under a 15W compact flouro, about £5 is ye olde Tescos.... they are more gentle than a HPS.

They shagged out because you put your car windscreen cooler jobbie around them, lots more light, but massive heat and probably poor ventilation ?

Is your water really soft ?? Is it on a municipal supply or from the burn up the hill ? If the latter, no chlorine, so I would not leave it sitting around.

Your Levingtons could probably be improved with Perlite mixed in [when you repot]

Good luck and sorry to hear about your dog.

moonymonkey · Jul 1, 2008

good advice^^^^also i wud keep track of how much water ur given them acording to size of plant an size of pot,an type of mix ur using..use moisture meter,good,if meter is correctwen to water an still haven problems ,check the amount of water.check ph of ur water wen freshly drawn,check ph,then 2-3 days later check ph of any water u got siting around.my water after it sits for 2 days ph goes up a notch or 2,yours might not....hope this helps an peace mm/

hotmamakerr · Jul 1, 2008

Heyya folks,
will order the fluro from suggested retailer now (if posible online).

Seedlings are in a large outhouse, with loads of ventilation about 15x15ft.

Yeah the waters in a big butt up the hill, so I wont store it anymore. Just leave it too warm for a while. Dont wanna shock em...

I'll grab some vermiculite n perlite next time im in town.

Can you explain something too me. My understanding of carbon is that it is emitted from cars & factories. Carbon filters are to filter any carbon in the air yeah. Well what if there's little or no carbon in the air??
Do I still need a cfl? Am I wrong.

Im ganna just and save ones that are looking healthy. There's a new batch of seeds on there way.

I decided to be honest with the kids. They cried, but agreed with me its kinder, rather being in pain. They took some pictures they'll be ok.

Suby · Jul 1, 2008

Can you explain something too me. My understanding of carbon is that it is emitted from cars & factories. Carbon filters are to filter any carbon in the air yeah. Well what if there's little or no carbon in the air??

Carbon is just an atom, associated with other atoms they form molecules/compounds like carbon monoxyde and large odour molecules however this has nothing to do with a carbon filter.

A carbon filter uses a chacoal type carbone that has billions of microscopic holes, they are big enough to allow air through but small enough to catch odour molecules which are typically large, that's why sucking air out of your room through one of these removes odour.

Sorry about you pup, my Angel was my best friend, I miss her dearly so my heart goes out to you :badday:

Any ?'s keep them coming here :joint:

HeadyPete · Jul 2, 2008

Even though you raised the hps, it is still too much light energy (not thermal/heat energy) for a seedling, and that energy collects and heats up the interior of the leaf and dries and burns it, therefore killing it.

If you raise the light away, the plant will stretch now to get to the weaker light source. Also, red spectrum hps really promotes stretching in seedlings, so you will have long lanky seedlings that fall over and die. The problem, besides the amount of light, is the spectrum.

Blue white light keeps plants short and compact in vegging. Save the hps for flowering. You are also wasting a lot of electricity on that 400 for those seedlings. Depending on space, 6-8 15w cfls would do just fine. I use 2 - 3 bulb bathroom fixtures like this to mount my bulbs, plus I made a homemade reflector.

Careful, I've burnt seedlings on 6 x 23 watt cool white cfls from being too close. Again, light energy, not thermal energy.

Realistically, this setup has served it's purpose for me, but I really need to replace these cfls with T5 floro for both veg chamber and mom chamber. Vegging under cfl this way takes too long as the lights are not efficient at directing all the energy down to the plants, plus each bulb has it's own ballast - waste of energy and heat does build up. A one ballast T5 unit with 4 x 2' bulbs is far superior in every way - except price. Something to upgrade to....

I would hold out for every last seedling that wants to live. You never know, one of those could be that killer mom everyone is looking for. Only ditch them if they are dead. You'd be surprised how resilient they can be if the conditions are corrected and maintained. People here will help you every step of the way.

Good luck and sorry about your dog.

messn'n'gommin' · Jul 2, 2008

PharmaCan said:
"...I prefer to cut off/trim the dead and dying leaves, they can lead to rot, and look ugly too..."

PC

Thank you for correcting me. Your insight is sound.

Namaste, mess

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