Very pale, limp and crispy- help!

Hi Guys, sorry to repost about the same problem but I am really staring to worry about my babies as they're not showing any signs of getting better, and I really don't know how long they can keep growing like this before they die.






SOIL:

How long has this problem been going on? About 2 weeks
What STRAIN are you growing? bagseed
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) seed
What is the age of your plants? about 6 weeks
How Tall are the plants? 1 is 8 inches, the other about 7
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?Vege, but had them in flower for about 10 days to determine sex
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) intending on vert scrog, but haven't installed screen yet
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)7 inch pots, the largest pot has just been transplanted from a 3 inch pot yesterday
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) until yesterday both were in a local organic soil called Daltons which contains something called NuFert mixed almost 50/50 with perlite. Yesterday I changed the larger one into a generic potting mix from the garden center
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* Earth Juice Grow. The recommended amount (5ml per 4 liters I think), generally every second water- about once every 4 to 6 days
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? dont know. PH of tap water is somewhere around 8
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?one of those liquid chemical tests
How often are you watering?every 2 to 3 days
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?haven't fed anymore since the problem started happening- maybe 10 days, maybe 2 weeks. I did apply a weak dose of superthrive yesterday
What size bulb are you using?400w
What is the distance to the canopy?about 10 inches
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)dont know
What is the canopy temperature?about 74 deg F
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)maximum seems to be around 77 deg minimum is about 60
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)according to fan specs, 78cfm
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?one plant is, one isnt
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?Dont think so, I always try and let it dry
Is your water HARD or SOFT? dont know, hard I assume
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Tap water
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? One plant I cut a few fan leaves off when I switched to flowering thinking it would show quicker, the other hasn't had pruning
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?no
Are plant's infected with pest's?no


I am tempted to buy something to bring the PH of the water down, or possibly even some of that lime powder to try and regulate the soils ph, but I'm afraid of causing anymore problems.

It breaks my heart to see them hurting like this

Please help

I suspect a cluster fuck off propblems, the most important being that the plants aren't getting enough water. It could be that you are over-fertilizing while also over-watering. 2-3 days seems too often to be watering. I don't know if you were doing because of the 3 " pots or what. I can tell you that the pots they are in now are relatively big as compared to the plants....no no no, HUGE POTS. I suggest you flush the pots with water until the runoff comes out clear. After that, you shouldn't have to water for about 3 weeks, seriously, 3 WEEKS! You gotta get some water into those cells, but you can't do it without oxygen at the roots too. Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until the pots feel light before you flush.

sweet, I'll give it a flush next week

Hey Farmer!

Your lookin at all of our worst pains in the ass... could be over water, could be under water.

Judging based on my own experience the older plant (pic 1) looks to be UNDER watered and the smaller plant on the bottom looks to be OVER watered.

However...there's only one way I can usually tell. I flush em good.... then wait and watch. Every day look for signs of recovery and no matter what - dont water them again.

You 'should' see, after a week, maybe 2 or 3, the lady start to perk up. Now keep on waiting until she begins to droop again. This zone, 'happy zone' as I like to call it, is the time between when she needs water and looks healthy/happy.

My experience, in a pot that size, is about 7-10 days between watering. Again, the key here is to wait until she shows you she needs water (at least until ya get the hang of it).

Once she does this...another trick is to lift the pot... feel how light it is. Now after you water, pick it up again and feel the weight difference. THis is another way to judge when to water.

Bottom line, looks like you're killin your ladies with too much lovin.

Thanks bud love. That could very well be the case- the larger of the 2 has only just gone in a big pot, I wanted to keep it small as long as I could, but it works much better with my cabinet.

Do you think I should wait a few days before I flush? And would it help to neutralize the ph before flushing?


I've had too much time off and been an over-doting daddy!

Personally, I'd do it asap... but that's just me and I'm totally impatient. Once I have a direction to go and believe it'll fix up my ladies, I begin immediately.

Also, I'm not sure if flushing will dampen them more or give them the water they need... so chances are, when ya do flush em, they aren't going to be too happy about it for the first week... gonna be a game of patience on these I think.

Farmer-

Its like this, that is the most f'd up plant I have ever seen. Please put it out of its misery. It will be easier on everyone involved if you put her to rest and start over.

Sorry, its for the best.