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Profiling postal packages.

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This has probably been read by many of you, but just in case you haven't looked up any info on package profiling, i thought i'd make it easy for ya.

Improtant information is at the bottom where they list profiling techniques, but the whole article is a good read, as there are a couple stories that may give ya hints of what to do and what not to do when getting a package you know has something illegal in it.

o yea, this is from 1996...........so don't get to comfortable just because you're not breaking any of the rules listed at the bottom.

from: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Profiling+postal+packages-a018447923

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Profiling postal packages.




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<a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Profiling+postal+packages-a018447923">Profiling postal packages.</a>

Most Americans use the U.S. Postal Service nearly every day. Whether to send bills to clients, advertise for new customers, or exchange letters with friends, citizens rely on the Postal Service to help them conduct their professional and personal business. Unfortunately, some people use it to conduct illegal business--namely, drug distribution.

In Omaha, Nebraska, authorities have taken steps to cut off the drug trade conducted by mail. In 1988. inspectors from the U.S. Postal Inspection Service proposed a partnership with the Omaha, Nebraska, Police Department's Narcotics Unit to interdict drugs transported into the city by mail. Prior intelligence gathering revealed that dealers smuggled large amounts of cocaine into Omaha simply by wrapping up the drugs and mailing them at the post office. Smugglers often used express delivery methods because the demands of quick delivery lowered the chances of detection by postal inspectors.

The joint operation has yielded positive results. In one early case, inspectors intercepted a suspicious package mailed from Los Angeles, California, to an Omaha address. Based on the subsequent investigation, inspectors obtained a search warrant search warrant n. a written order by a judge which permits a law enforcement officer to search a specific place (eg. 112 Magnolia Avenue, Apartment 3, or a 1991 Pontiac, Texas License number 123ABC) and identifies the persons (if known) and any articles intended to be seized (often specified by type, such as "weapons," "drugs and drug paraphernalia," "evidence of bodily harm"). for the package, which contained 6 ounces (186 grams) of powdered cocaine.




The drugs led the joint team to a big arrest when an undercover postal inspector made a controlled delivery of the package to the mailing address in Omaha, and police officers immediately executed a search warrant on the location. Inside, officers apprehended a hard core gang member who had relocated from southern California and established gun- and drug-running operations in the city. The success of this operation and others like it stemmed from two factors: Use of a package profile to identify suspicious parcels and close cooperation between the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Omaha Police Narcotics Unit during the investigatory process.

THE PROFILE

To identify pieces of mail that might contain controlled substances, postal inspectors rely on a package profile based on a readily discernable, predetermined set of criteria. Past court decisions make clear that the regular application of a consistent set of criteria is not intrusive.(1) Using the profile helps establish reasonable suspicion, which is required by the Postal Service to detain mail for examination.(2)

The profile sets criteria for both the package's condition and its label. Taken individually, few of the criteria would indicate that the package contains contraband; however, a combination of these factors indicates a suspicious package worthy of a second look.

First, in terms of the package itself, inspectors look for parcels that have been heavily taped along the seams, have been prepared poorly for mailing, have an uneven weight distribution, or apparently have been reused. However, inspectors do not identify questionable pieces of mail only by sight; suspicious packages frequently emit odors of marijuana or of a masking agent, such as perfume, coffee, or fabric-softener sheets.

Second, package labels often provide clues. Inspectors look for labels that have been handwritten; contain misspelled names, streets, or cities; originate from a drug-source State; and have been sent from one person to another, not from a business to an individual. Further identifiers include a return address ZIP code that does not match the accepting post office ZIP code or a fictitious return address. Finally, the names of the sender and/or the receiver frequently have a common ring to them, such as John Smith, and have no connection to either address.

Postal inspectors receive copies of all labels from packages signed for by the recipient. If a particular address receives multiple deliveries from a drug-source State, for example, inspectors will check with postal carriers at both the sending and receiving addresses to verify names and addresses. If the return address is fictitious or if the listed names do not have a connection to either address, inspectors will be alert to intercept future packages.

THE INVESTIGATION

The Postal Inspection Service bears responsibility for detecting suspicious packages. This type of investigation requires patience, because inspectors routinely examine hundreds of mailing labels on packages sent through the mail. Through these examinations, inspectors attempt to recognize packages matching the profile characteristics. When they locate a suspicious package, the investigation begins.

Present Package to Drug Dog

Upon discovery of a suspicious package, postal inspectors notify the Omaha Police Narcotics Unit. The unit's supervisor assigns a drug dog handler to meet with the inspector and present the package to the dog.

Presentation strategies vary. Sometimes the handler hides the package to see if the dog can sniff out its location. At other times, the handler presents the suspicious package to the dog, along with other similar parcels.

The dog handler carefully records the details of the presentation for future use as search warrant documentation. The dog's positive reaction to the package indicates the presence of drugs, which in many cases establishes probable cause to prepare a search warrant to inspect the parcel's contents.

Obtain Search Warrants

Suspicious package investigations typically require two search warrants: One to open and search the package and one to search the mailing address after delivery of the parcel. Postal inspectors and police investigators work closely to ensure that all documentation for the warrants is complete and accurate, important factors in obtaining evidence and prosecuting the case.

Searching the Package

Because the U.S. mail falls under Federal jurisdiction, a Federal warrant must be obtained for any suspicious package. The police drug dog handler helps the inspector prepare the affidavit because they must provide the magistrate with a history of the dog's reliability and past achievements.

Having obtained the warrant, postal inspectors open the package. This important step must not be dealt with carelessly. The package might need to be resealed for a controlled delivery, so inspectors must exercise caution. To preserve fingerprints on any item or contraband, the person opening the package wears rubber gloves. Inspectors also photograph the opening of the parcel in a series of steps for use as future evidence.

In the formative stages of Omaha's program, postal inspectors and police investigators met with prosecutors to determine a strategy for handling cases brought by the joint team. They concurred that when a package containing drugs was identified, investigators would remove most of the drugs, leaving just a small amount to be resealed in the package and delivered later. Prosecutors agreed that they could argue successfully in court that the defendant found in possession of the resealed package actually had "constructive possession constructive possession n. when a person does not have actual possession, but has the power to control an asset, he/she has constructive possession. Having the key to a safe deposit box, for example, gives one constructive possession. (See: constructive)" of the original amount of contraband. However, to preserve the elements of the State or Federal drugs violation, it would be best if at least some of the drugs originally seized were delivered in the package.

After removing most of the illegal substance, inspectors frequently replace it with an imitation so as not to alert suspects when they open the package. For example, a recent investigation in Omaha located a large amount of crack cocaine formed into the shape of cookies. Investigators left several of the original crack cookies in the package but substituted sugar cookies for the rest.

On a practical note, this procedure safeguards against the loss of the evidence in the unlikely event that the subject eludes police officers after the package is delivered but before the search warrant of the residence can be executed. Omaha officers quickly discovered that suspects often attempt to leave the location with the evidence immediately following the controlled delivery of the package but prior to the entry team's arrival.

Searching the Address

Once the package has been searched and resealed, the Omaha Police Narcotics Unit supervisor prepares a search warrant for the mailing address. This does not have to be a Federal warrant, but the Federal search warrant used to open the package is referenced in the warrant petition and a copy is attached.

A police investigator and the postal inspector collaborate to prepare the second search warrant. The affidavit describes exactly how the investigation began--with discovery of the suspicious package--and follows with the details of presenting the parcel to the drug dog, obtaining the Federal search warrant, opening the package, and locating the drugs. The affidavit also notes that officers removed a specific amount of the drug from the package, left a small amount, and refilled the package with an imitation substance.

This type of search warrant is anticipatory in nature. That is, the affidavit clearly must show that law enforcement officers currently possess the drugs to be seized and that they intend to serve the search warrant after the controlled delivery of the package. If probable cause exists, items such as packaging materials, scales, long distance telephone bills, money, drug records, and additional drugs should be listed on the warrant to be seized. Any historical or intelligence information about the address of the anticipated delivery or the persons known to frequent the address also should be documented in the affidavit.

Prepare for Delivery

The next step involves delivering the package to the intended address under carefully controlled conditions. The Narcotics Unit supervisor handles three aspects of this operation. The supervisor arranges the controlled delivery, establishes a secure perimeter around the address to prevent the subject from leaving with the package, and supervises the execution of the search warrant.

First, the supervisor conducts an extensive reconnaissance of the address, especially noting all possible exits. Because at least several minutes will elapse between the controlled delivery and the execution of the search warrant to allow the recipient time to open the package, all exits of the address must be placed under surveillance to prevent anyone from leaving with the package.

Second, the supervisor briefs all officers involved in executing the search warrant, dividing officers between the perimeter and entry teams. The perimeter team, which keeps all exits of the target address under surveillance, must be positioned to stop and arrest anyone who might leave with the package after it has been delivered. The entry team, which typically comprises Omaha police officers, postal inspectors, and occasionally, FBI agents, serves the warrant, makes appropriate arrests, and conducts the subsequent search of the premises.

Deliver the Package

An undercover postal inspector normally delivers the package after the perimeter team takes its position. In most situations, the Narcotics Unit supervisor then gives the recipient enough time to open the package, because an opened package undermines the commonly used defense that the suspect did not know what it contained.

In addition, experience shows that the original recipient often will turn over the parcel to a second person who arrives within minutes of the delivery. For this reason, the supervisor might choose to wait a considerable length of time before sending in the entry team.

Execute the Search Warrant

At the appropriate time, the entry team executes the search warrant for the package on the target location. During the search, officers remain alert for additional drugs, drug records, money, long distance telephone bills, scales, baggies, and other labels of packages previously mailed to the address, as listed on the warrant.

Upon completion of the search, the supervisor quickly analyzes the situation to determine whether to interrogate the person who signed for the package on the scene. If such questioning could prove fruitful, the suspect is advised of his Miranda rights. On occasion, by immediately interrogating the recipient, investigators have convinced suspects to make tape-recorded telephone contact with a second suspect who, in turn, arrived at the scene only to be arrested.

Investigators question the arrested parties thoroughly to determine their knowledge of the parcel's contents and their connections with a network of people involved in smuggling the package into the city. Many postal profiling cases in Omaha have resulted in Federal prosecution of individuals in other States, such as California, for participating in drug smuggling operations.

SUCCESSES

The success of the package profiling program in Omaha proves that law enforcement can transcend jurisdictional boundaries to combat crimes that often go undetected. Highlights of the program include two separate seizures of 3-pound quantities of crack cocaine valued at approximately $250,000 each that had been mailed to Omaha from sources in Los Angeles.

Not all seizures have run smoothly. In one case, inspectors intercepted a package containing 5 ounces (155 grams) of methamphetamine. Following standard procedure, officers removed all but 5 grams of the substance, which they sealed in a tube taped to the inside of the package. A female at the target address signed for the package during the controlled delivery, but when officers executed the search warrant, no drugs could be found. Knowing that they had delivered the methamphetamine, officers conducted an extensive and thorough search of the premises but to no avail. Finally, several hours later, the woman vomited the tube intact. She had swallowed it when she saw the law enforcement officers approach the residence.

Despite the occasional mishap, the package profiling system has produced many seizures that have netted both crack and powdered cocaine, marijuana, LSD, methamphetamine, heroin, steroids, and hallucinogenic mushrooms. Prosecutors have obtained numerous felony convictions in both Federal and State courts.

CONCLUSION

Profiling postal packages represents a challenging and exciting aspect of drug enforcement. In the future, law enforcement agencies might expand the use of this technique to detect packages transported by private carriers and parcel services.

The expertise gained by working with postal inspectors to detect controlled substances sent by mail could be applied to private carriers in an attempt to choke off other conduits for transporting controlled substances. By employing every method available, U.S. Postal Inspectors can work with local law enforcement agencies to keep the Postal Service from being an unwitting and unwilling drug courier.

RELATED ARTICLE: The Profile

Postal inspectors use these criteria to identify packages that might contain drugs.

Package Criteria

* Emits odors of marijuana or or a masking agent (e.g., coffee, perfume, fabric-softener sheets)

* Is heavily taped along seams

* Is poorly prepared for mailing

* Appears to have been re-used

* Has an uneven weight distribution

Label Criteria

* Is handwritten

* Contains misspelled names, streets, or cities

* Originates from a drug source State

* Has been sent from an individual to an individual

* Contains return address ZIP code that does not match accepting post office ZIP code

* Shows a fictitious return address

* Lists sender's and/or receiver's names of common type (e.g., John Smith) that are not connected to either address

Endnotes

(1) United States v. Hill, 701 F. Supp. 1522 (D.C.Kan. 1988). (2) The U.S. Postal Service's Administrative Support Manual (ASM), Section 274.31, disallows any mail sealed against inspection (i.e., First-Class, Express Mail) to be detained, even for a dog sniff, with very few exceptions. ASM 274.31 (a) notes that "a Postal Inspector acting diligently and without avoidable delay, upon reasonable suspicion, for a brief period of time [may detain a piece of mail] to assemble sufficient evidence to satisfy the probable-cause requirement for a search warrant, and to apply for, obtain, and execute the warrant." Therefore, reasonable suspicion must exist before the mail can be detained.
 
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Some of the other things missing are overnight packages, person to person, along with the labeling (handwritten), also, sizes play a big factor especially with overnight, because most overnighted are documents (business to person, person to business)

One has to remember the typical flow and origin of packages......

If one buys something from legitimate source, even if you want it asap, your not going to go too expensive on shipping.

Also, see, most overlook that with a lot of packages,tracking, overnight, signature confirmation, registered, leave a papertrail and can be tracked....(ie: Searching through cases, they easily look up previous deliveries, and sources to determine patterns....) A lot of people ship on a consistent basis and trail left only strengthens the case when investigation made...

And it will be finally made......mail can't be used indefinitely.....Just can't...doesn't work.......and, as time goes on, just gets harder...

Now, how all factors come together is also a problem because there are a lot of cases in which sniff's come back negative, even multiple sniff's coming back negative, but, based on other aspects discovered, they still get their warrants for the package....

They do check quite a bit of info in some cases, in addition, regardless of, and even before and after the exposure to dogs.....(ie: Where sent from, how paid, check with local carrier if address and name are correct and valid, check receiving end carrier for address and name, check history to and from both addresses,etc...)

It should also be noted there is no shortage of cases that illustrate prints were taken from package to try and identify the sender...(ie: In most cases they want the sender of the product much more than the receiver......)

As in another thread...most seem to think an individual responsible for screening, when in reality it's quite a production, and, making it worse is that the schedules vary, similar to border and customs...(What they have been doing for a while now is all customs agents at border crossings have their schedules changed on a moments notice consistently to try and prevent dirty agents from having the ability to get loads through.....) Same with the mail....so that there is never a pattern of where and when they will be doing parcel interdiction at certain facilities...(They are also always available on call for all facilities if they turn something up....)

Lot of people try to send things different times, and different ways because they have preconceived notions about when teams are working at a site, but, as above...there really is no fixed schedule for any facility....(I posted a link somewhere about a case they were doing incoming from west coast at a 2:30am arrival Saturday morning.......)

Can be weekdays, weekends, morning, evening, early morning......really is no fixed schedule for them......(done for reason above....)

And, that's the bottom line about mailing.....it's not even 50/50 odds anymore....

Seeds?...not a problem.......z's or less?......not really an issue.....q'pers?....still not bad.......1/2's-p's?....starting to be an issue......p's or more?.....really starting to be a serious problem and not worth the risk.....

If doing smaller......greater the chances it won't be persued, and, as above, fake names and addresses in some (many) cases the reason it might get stopped...might assist in reasonable suspicion...

Cash also sought as much as product...no reason to do anything other than money orders....even with larger amounts.....

Cases are truly endless and the good thing about reviewing cases is you often get info left out of news articles..(ie: specific details of operation...)

Btw…….:biglaugh:

Part of that profiling for West to East and South to North for product is Hispanic sounding names and African American sounding names :smoke:…..

(Try sending a package from SouthWest to Midwest or East coast fitting criteria and names of “Jesus Garcia Moralez” and see what happens :biglaugh:….or Henry Lee Jackson to Latonya Jenkins :biglaugh:…..)

I have also seen packages that did not meet criteria and were business sent opened and searched….(I send and receive a LOT of packages…:smoke:….everything I buy is through web these days……..I had had many packages opened…legally and not :smoke:….)

The point of my input is to make people aware because I know a lot of people send packages……

You want to send something?...send a couple “test” packages first and see how it works out……make yourself aware of efforts, of cases, of profile, and, switch up your test packages every way you can before you start your schedule :smoke:……You might be surprised at what you find……





Textbook Express case

East to West cash

DeMoss case is frequently referenced in others

Frequently mentioned case and also cross referencing of package history to address

Parcel Interdiction Team services 200 to 250 package and freight delivery locations within Orange County

Old case, but, good…seizure during training session at UPS

Consistent packages from West Coast trigger a parcel watch..

Another….

Yet another…..very small amount…

Half of an LE text….one of my latest recommended….

FedEx package…..

Lot of details in case…

Priority Saturday and paid in cash

Yet another….

Extremely interesting on many levels….….


Really endless cases and resources available….one could spend weeks reading and still never come close to finishing…lot of material out there…..could do endless links…….

I’ll leave anyone with an interest to do their own research :smoke:

Mail is not as simple as easy as most believe these days....with odd's less than 50/50......

Regarding Express Mail?.....:smoke:

Another search of interest would be "Express Mail Narcotics Profiling" :smoke:

Express Mail use overview. Page 2.
 
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:biglaugh: Sorry man, just something I have quite a bit of exposure with and something to say........

You know....all criteria aside.....Let's say one knowingly alters packages (not to fit profile)...okay, you still can't avoid source and destinations......

LA to New York?.........Phoenix to Chicago?.......El Paso to Newark?........Miami to DC?.....

Pfffffff.....who needs criteria? :biglaugh: (throw in size/feel and african american names or hispanic names?...fuck?...even generic white or ethnic names?...

Still hot as all hell.......and, really difficult (we're talking product now.....)

Cash?......:biglaugh: east to west/north to south?...no reason to....no matter what the amount..(money orders and cashiers checks not a problem no matter what the amount.....)

Now.......what many overlook:smoke:...is that never a bad idea to put a little distance on it and alter your source state.....or destination.......ie: Instead of New Mexico?........run it up and send out of Denver......Source states something you just can't get around......and, believe me...I have done my share of El Paso to NY, etc.....and similar..........I mean.....that in itself screams for a closer look...just seeing the source and destination cities....and, as above and discussed...one can imagine larger packages, and, overnight packages....these days I wouldn't be caught dead having such sent out of even remotely close to any kind of acceptance......

(Probably not a great topic, but, once volume increases your avenues open up dramatically..........so many people want to "save" money....while sacrificing potentially your own ass.......Cali...SW...Texas...hot as all hell...always have been and only get worse day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year, and, yes.....interdiction efforts are not single people like most imagine......we're talking dedicated efforts with large teams that operate on a moments notice at any given facility......When I get another chance will grab some interesting cases....(no shortage......)

Of course, common knowledge about carrier issues...(ie: UPS and FedEx, DHL, freight companies, etc, are private.......warrants not required......more risky, but, flip side of USPS is of course Federal......so then your looking at Federal charges......

Then some might want to cut up amounts to smaller packages......which might help, but, as above then your still dealing with source and destinations.....and, have to run more packages to make up the volume........

(I'm pretty well versed on trains and planes and buses and highway systems also :smoke:......)

I have some experience with such matters :smoke:...and, been saying it for years.....rewards not worth it anymore....safer to just make it on site safely :smoke:...

I have known more than my share of people doing 30-40yrs down south......

(now.....some might say that currently the borders supposedly are kicking federal cases out, and, not prosecuting less than 500lb loads.......lot written about it....Feds kicking cases to local, who are already understaffed and swamped with their own case loads....and, cases just dropped.......not pursued, but, I wouldn't say such is wise because that may very well be the case at some borders/states/crossings......but, not something I would rely upon :smoke:......

Reality is I would assume almost all wouldn't be sending more than a z or so...with a couple here and there actually sending a p or more....but, nevertheless.......topic should be of value because risk is not necessarily volume of package...but what search warrants for locations might turn up...(ops, weight, cash, plant count, etc.,....), which is the true angle and risk.....(fuck the z-p.......the real issue is the 3k with 60 plants, 4p's shelf ready and 16k cash and the 9.......)

Anyone with something to lose shouldn't be dabbling in the mail....wayyy to much potential exposure...

Now of course most people will use their fake return addy's and names to protect their end, and, maybe even the same on the other side (fake name, right address.....) Okay, fine, but problem is (clearly from cases found) that even if they get a negative, or even 2 negatives on the sniff's, then when digging deeper and checking addy's with local PO's, they are going to find all bogus, which without the sniff then creates reasonable suspicion, and, your back to square one....

I just feel sorry for everyone who missed all the fun in the "good old days" when you could check baggage with 200p's on domestic west/sw to east flights, or, could easy send through 100's every day of the week and sometimes twice daily :smoke:......

Not like that anymore.......and, back to above....overnight?....just increases risk......anything carrying a paper trail?...just ammo for future investigations and establishing a pattern......

(Lot of people will try and think they can rely on the innocent claim.......which doesn't work in the first place and then completely tossed out when they execute a warrant and find communications with area code packages are from on your phone records :smoke:....

Now.....some might see the heavier holidays as opportunities to act on (Christmas,Mothers Day,etc...) due to increased volume....and, sad truth is they increase manpower for heavier traffic holidays....

A classic....single post office....2000lbs in 48hrs.....

Always a soft spot for that area.....spent a lot of my youthin that neighborhood.......Those were the days :smoke:....Those were the days......few people can even imagine what it's like down south....

Bottom line is it has to be spotted and pulled before subjected to sniff....but, then again,....you can get around most of profiling criteria, but, always stuck with source/point of origin and destination.......
 
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Julian said:
(now.....some might say that currently the borders supposedly are kicking federal cases out, and, not prosecuting less than 500lb loads.......lot written about it....Feds kicking cases to local, who are already understaffed and swamped with their own case loads....and, cases just dropped.......not pursued, but, I wouldn't say such is wise because that may very well be the case at some borders/states/crossings......but, not something I would rely upon :smoke:......
Here is the reference for that btw.....also found in many other news and government sources on a simple search...
 
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Now of course most people will use their fake return addy's and names to protect their end, and, maybe even the same on the other side (fake name, right address.....) Okay, fine, but problem is (clearly from cases found) that even if they get a negative, or even 2 negatives on the sniff's, then when digging deeper and checking addy's with local PO's, they are going to find all bogus, which without the sniff then creates reasonable suspicion, and, your back to square one....

What if you use a real address in your zip code, i.e. a business, someone you don't know etc?

Any ways to beat the West-Northeast profiling?

I'm glad you stepped in with some real knowledge here Julian.
 

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Trancerdancer said:
What if you use a real address in your zip code, i.e. a business, someone you don't know etc?
Names and addresses will be checked into if package grabbed to validate them (found in virtually 100% of cases....they check if "real".....) I can't recall (will check) but, it is possible that if everything checks out their suspicion may drop, but, still might subject to sniif ("to be sure...")

Yes....address (return) has to be real....(even if not yours.....has to be a real name and address that can be verified as true, otherwise will create suspicion, and, as above, address should match zip code mailed!(This can be seen just by glancing at package...you , or I, or anyone can spot this easy......) Another documented red flag (mailed at different zip code than address.......)
Any ways to beat the West-Northeast profiling?
Nope.

Aside from going a state or 2 (or 3) over and sending out from there (which really isn't feasible or cost effective unless talking larger packages......)

Nope.....I might have said that above....that's the real problem....

Can't counter it with any measures......as above...Cali to NY?......Texas to New Jersey....Miami -New York......El Paso -Minneapolis?....(just picking examples out of the air......no amount of counter measures can change those facts......

For some....the real problem....(again, we're talking larger...smaller still comes under the gun, but,m a little easier to a degree..........) Mail's an issue these days...seizures fuckin through the roof, more than ever before in history.....

yeah..."source state" is an issue....Cali/LA among hottest...along with SW and South Florida.....(hence the above...if cost efficient.....in some cases not a bad idea to move it a little first.........in some case s though, not possible......)
I'm glad you stepped in with some real knowledge here Julian.
I know a little :smoke:....have a little experience with these matters :smoke:....Something I pay attention to :smoke:....

Yeah....source states a serious issue impossible to counter, along with destination......trick is figuring out what kind of packages are best suitable (bigger you go, bigger the problem.....)...you know......not hard to figure out an LA-NY package is a problem...or, again, example, as above.....a San Diego-Newark.....Miami-DC.....(fuck, if I was on a parcel interdiction, I'd be eyeing those carefully:smoke:...doesn't take a rocket scientist to see your looking at product...(they do reverse also to catch cash, and, yes, people send hundreds of millions in cash through the mail..(which I personally don't understand....team of 4 and a 12hr day you can produce 1MM in money orders.....so....
 

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I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the months of November and especially December are your smartest bets for passing items through the mail. There's much less emphasis placed on packages during the Christmas shipping season. Items sent inside boxes of chocalates also works well at Valentines Day.
 

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Incorrect. Misconception.

Regarding the Southwest, October through January are typically the hottest time period with manpower and hours being increased due to harvest season.

While Christmas brings a dramatic increase in packages, manpower is increased.The same applies at many source states and destination states.

Square one:
The first issue is source state/destination.
The second set of issues then are profiling criteria and packaging.
Smell (assuming appropriate methods taken) is actually third...

Why?

Because it's not going to be subjected to a sniff until after it has been pulled from the belt (or wherever it's at depending on size)

Until after it has been pulled.......

Again back to square one:
Smaller amounts?....no reason should be a problem if profile countered and appropriate methods taken.....

But then goes right back to source and destination...which will always stick out but possibly blend a little better with smaller packages and letters....
 

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When it absolutely positively has to be there overnight, ship FexEx. The only thing I have shipped FedEx has been clones. Use one of their many dropoff points (no actual record of who shipped what). Great results. And I would imagine UPS offers equally excellent service and a great price.

Fuck the United States Postal Service.
 

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JJScorpio said:
One of my relatives is a Postmaster in a large city and my comment comes directly from him.
My statements don't come from relatives. They are readily documented. Either he's new, or in an extremely small town.
The extra help comes in the forms of sorters and deliverers.
The abovementioned are always looking out for things. That's their job. As posted elsewhere, people seem to be under the impression the issue is a sorter/handler, when parcel interdiction activities can run upwards of 50 city/state/local/DEA and National guard (documented). (Upwards of.)

50+ extra law enforcement (with K9) on a site is more than more realize (imagine 20-30-40-50+ people.....) And that is a typical effort...not a holiday one....

No. I don't buy it at all and goes completely against everything we know to be true, documented.
When there's very few cars on the road you are much more likely to have a LEO behind you checking you than if there are hundreds of cars on the road......
Good analogy.

You mean like on Holidays, when they have an increased presence on the road and extra checkpoints thrown up.:biglaugh:

Yes, one is much safer on the road at many times throughout the year than on holidays.

Fact of the matter is, source states activities surge dramatically during harvest season, as well as known destination states.

People also forget the flow of mail......yes, you might be a small town in xx state, but, your package is passing through larger centers....package doesn't go directly to you....might pass through up to 3-4 larger center's before gets to that small town post office.

Nah......everything found by anyone supports that is not true.
 
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I'll be glad to look at the documentation you speak of. But until then I have to go by information obtained from someone directly involved in the USPS.....It's obvious you haven't seen some of the people the USPS hires on as part time help at Christmas, lol. I got one of my neighbors kids a job and he's in his thirties and still lives at home.....He wouldn't know a pound of pot if someone opened it and put it in his hands.....
 

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JJScorpio said:
I'll be glad to look at the documentation you speak of. But until then I have to go by information obtained from someone directly involved in the USPS.....It's obvious you haven't seen some of the people the USPS hires on as part time help at Christmas, lol. I got one of my neighbors kids a job and he's in his thirties and still lives at home.....He wouldn't know a pound of pot if someone opened it and put it in his hands.....
With all due respect.......your coming into a topic which has spanned several threads in several weeks, and, your comments far from what actually takes place.....ie: Your referring to Christmas hires...I'm referring to joint parcel interdiction efforts run by law enforcement during harvest season....which is very old news.....

You feel free to go by his/their statements.....anyone else who has been following subject by now knows not to.
 

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I simply asked you to show the documentation that you spoke of. Instead you seem to be getting angry.

The thread title was regarding profiling mail. This basically includes looking at suspicious packages, where the packages come for, etc, etc. I stated something I was told from an employee of the USPS. You stated you had documentation that what I was told was false. Instead of showing the documentation you instead state that everyone knows what you have said is true. I have no idea why you're getting so angry.....
 

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Absolutely nothing said in any way indicates anger......(unless you took my italics highlighting relevant points as such.....:biglaugh:)

(Although, your post above completely ignored mine, which stated your talking Christmas sorting, I'm talking LE)

Look it up yourself
. (Any search words mentioned will turn up hundreds if not thousands of cases, news reports, government reports on the subject.) If you knew what you think you do, I would not have to provide it, you would know already, now wouldn't you? :smoke:...

From your statements, your woefully out of your depth in this matter.

Back to topic:
FedEx is actually the worst, because they have only 4 regional facilities, everything else is channeled in/out of those, so,...as above....it is not necessary for a team to operate at every single stopping point. They merely target such centers (UPS,FedEx,DHL,USPS,etc) and go from there, and then you have less active trickle down effect......They are also though always on call to service all parcel related facilities. If one was to check, as above or somewhere else, one would see certain task forces and efforts, city,state,local and federal are sometimes covering hundreds of facilities in major metro's. (Smaller also included...anything you can name. They approach them when started up for all agreements and review of procedure on questionable packages...)

Now, people also forget they're running them on both ends, so, your looking at multiple points which packages have to break....(ie: Just because it makes it through one, your not out of woods yet, which is what most seem to do when tracking packages.) I think most also don't pay enough attention to the schedules, as it's easy to see delays in some cases.
 
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i don't think there's any anger here, just a topical debate and both parties attempting to share what they each consider to be their respective knowledges of the subject.

I think that most of us probably haven't been directly involved in the package interception process despite past experiences or people we know who are involved in such activities. IMHO, it is best to take into account that this leaves us with secondhand information at best in most cases.

It seems to also be the case that each post office or distribution center most likely operates slightly differently than the next due to factors such as location, different package handlers, and different people running the show.

I do understand that any wrong information here could lead to someone getting themselves in trouble. However, I think we can all agree that mailing large amounts of money (in the form of cash OR moneyorders) as well as mailing illegal substances is inherently risky and utmost precaustions should be taken whether or not there are people attempting to stop such packages from getting through.
 

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My apologies for thinking you were upset.

I think it boils down to making sure the package has no odor and looks good. I will tell you something I have done when it comes to mailing out of the Country. I went to the post office and told them my child has a penpal in the Country I was mailing to and asked them the best/cheapest way to send it. I then told the worker that I wish I had brought the item to mail and instead had them put the postage on the package, because it was a set price up to a certain weight. I then went home and got the package ready and dropped it into the box a few towns away. In the US, it'd easy to do this because for a certain size package you have a set rate for anywhere in the States. This takes away from the part I hate the most, and that's going to the PO to send it....
 

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irishSoCo said:
i don't think there's any anger here, just a topical debate and both parties attempting to share what they each consider to be their respective knowledges of the subject.
Mine supported through documentation, posted here, and elsewhere, and elsewhere, and readily found by the most simple of keyword searches.

Btw, for people who don't know: a postmaster is not the individual who participates in the interdictions, they're called postal inspectors :smoke:. 2 completely different individuals with a completely different set of duties and powers.

Anyone who has actually read thread has seen a link above regarding SW post office and harvest interdiction. Do a search, there's more where that came from.
I think that most of us probably haven't been directly involved in the package interception process despite past experiences or people we know who are involved in such activities. IMHO, it is best to take into account that this leaves us with secondhand information at best in most cases.
But not all cases.........:smoke:

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It seems to also be the case that each post office or distribution center most likely operates slightly differently than the next due to factors such as location, different package handlers, and different people running the show.
Incorrect.

All operations are the same. The level of activity is what differs from site to site.

Parcel Interdiction efforts are uniform, whether public or private, regardless of location, only altered by the carrier (public warrant, private no warrant)
whether or not there are people attempting to stop such packages from getting through.
Whoa,whoa,whoa..........We have discussed and addressed how things work. The above would be counterproductive.

They are. They do. We know how. We know where. Readily documented and known.

There is no "whether or not".....

(I know statement was mad diplomatically to promote harmony......:biglaugh: but, fuck that man.......someone's ass, and their freedom is more important that a perceived slight on here....)
 

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