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WARNING TO ALL ORGANIC USERS

mrwags

mrwags

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I just wanted to give a heads up to all organic users regarding the storage of our nutes. This paticular run has given me a kick in the ass and has taken a few weeks to figure out the cause so I thought I would share my story. I recently added a c02 burner to my room and during the burn cycle I let the temps get to 85-87 to allow the stoma's to open and use it(nutes are stored in the same room). During this run I've noticed what looked like a deficiency and have tried damn near everything to cure it only to find out that (after a call to American Agritech) any temps above 80 degrees are bad for any and all organic nutrients.

My Liquid Karma went bad and man I gotta tella ya it sucks to see your kids suffer. The smell was not that much different then from the new bottle but a trained nose and a good bottle to compare with will let ya know it's POISON. He went on to tell me that if heat is ever an issue to put it in the refrigerator and that will keep it the best but HEAT kills organic nutes.



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70s_PotHead

Not being a organic user but I would like to bring up a point in reference to the nutes needing to be stored below 80 degrees.
What happens to the nutes when there are not in air conditioned warehouses, delivery trucks, storage closets at a hydro store etc.....I'm in 100% agreement to mrwags about storing nutes in a cool dry place, I've had GH flora nutes go bad on me before, but what about before we recieve them?? Are there potency or effectiveness less then they were when the were manufactured.....just some food for thought thats all.

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IronLung OG

interesting.... i bet i got a bad bottle of big bloom... i agree with this aftert thinking about it..... everytime I get new ferts it seems to work great but toward the end of the bottle I notice some funky things going on... and i to store my nutes in my grow room with co2 over 80.
 
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all messed up

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70s_PotHead said:
Not being a organic user but I would like to bring up a point in reference to the nutes needing to be stored below 80 degrees.
70s :joint:
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Slightly off topic but for hydro, the water temps in the reservoir must be kept below 76 degrees so oxygen is present for nutrient uptake.
 
clowntown

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Wow I did not know this. All my nute bottles are going into the fridge starting now. Are there any particular nutes (chemical or organic) that do not like to be stored in fridge-like temperatures?

Thank you very much for sharing.
 
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Sorry that you had to go to the trouble to learn for us Mr Wags. Hope that the troubles didnt cause you a great loss. Good thing I still have that Mini Fridge from those college Days. It could hold 3 1/2 cases of beer in those days. I guess now I will measure in gallons of Nutes.
 
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70s_PotHead

clowntown said:
Wow I did not know this. All my nute bottles are going into the fridge starting now. Are there any particular nutes (chemical or organic) that do not like to be stored in fridge-like temperatures?

Thank you very much for sharing.
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I don't store mine in the fridge and don't really think its nessasary, but I do keep them in a cool dark cabinet and they do fine. I see allot of grow pics with ferts inside the grow cab or room, thats a big no no IMO

70s :joint:
 
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treble

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nice heads up mrwags thx. my future plans would have involved bringing all my kit closer together... nutes etc with grow space. I'll try and keep storing my nutes where they are I think.

peace
treb
 
mrwags

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treble said:
nice heads up mrwags thx. my future plans would have involved bringing all my kit closer together... nutes etc with grow space. I'll try and keep storing my nutes where they are I think.

peace
treb
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treb buddy I to thought the same thing BUT:







The lower is the spoiled LK the upper is after the new nutes were introduced.

All is green now and all will be well just held me up a month to reveg.


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stevr59

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How would one know his ferts were? Bad I got bottles of flora nova and GH 3 parts and I had been trying to grow tomatoes… And I have had nouting but problems… GH web site said the self life is only a year, and one question is, if the store had the ferts for over a year before they sold it… There shot by the time you get them home... And I am sure my batch has been stored in over 80 degrees a few times… And the 3 part is 2 years old and the flora nova is 1. And it seems each run get worse than the one before it… More reason to make your own ferts… Which I will do as soon as I get the money to buy the chemicals... Seems to me they need to but dates on there products so we know it’s fresh.
 
Rattrap

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I always try to take my nutes from the back of the shelf & if there is any dust on the bottle i won't go near it. I also pointed out to the new owners of a nursery that its not a good idea to have nute bottles in direct sun. To their credit they reorganised their shop so the nutes were out of the sun completly.
 
mrwags

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stevr59 said:
How would one know his ferts were? Bad I got bottles of flora nova and GH 3 parts and I had been trying to grow tomatoes… And I have had nouting but problems… GH web site said the self life is only a year, and one question is, if the store had the ferts for over a year before they sold it… There shot by the time you get them home... And I am sure my batch has been stored in over 80 degrees a few times… And the 3 part is 2 years old and the flora nova is 1. And it seems each run get worse than the one before it… More reason to make your own ferts… Which I will do as soon as I get the money to buy the chemicals... Seems to me they need to but dates on there products so we know it’s fresh.
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stevr the picture is to show the difference between good and bad all that we have in a situation like this is our gut and our heart that our girls are not happy. Please understand I have sat for many hours simply watching them grow, the new lime green color in new growth is something over the years I have come to except. When in the course of time I see NO new lime green I sit and I watch and I understand this: I have done the same thing for years but I know something is wrong so I went back to square one good ole mother earth (water) and see what happens then Pure Blend grow only and then the Karma and then the shit came back. TK taught me many years ago "Control the environment and the rest is easy" water is what showed me my nutes were bad stevr. My girls have the best of everything even the ones in my garden :yummy: So if your girls stop showing you the love (new lime green color or easy sex your choice) something is a miss.



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fjällhöga

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shit , i´m not alone :) This summer my Plagron Alga Grow went in the ass with to high storage temps ... - my started to get a sour smell - the only fuck was i just applied it and then wondered about the crazy smell ... dont get me wrong this algae juice is a weird smell already .. :) some of my plants got those spots too :) and lost some fans ...
I flushed the soil with 3 times the amount of water / ph´ed and applied 1/3rd strength new bought nutes :)

Fj
 
mrwags

mrwags

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Well guys it's been 9 days and felt it was time to show some love.










Yeah Guys the Karma was bad. Hope this never happens to you guys but now instead of having 3 foot bushes I'm gonna end up with 5-6 foot trees AGAIN:













Hope everyone had a good bird day.



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Father Time

Looking great as usuall Wagsie!
great show comming up me thinks!
Kindest Regards,FT :wave:
 
mrwags

mrwags

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Damn the luck Father 2 in a row freakin cranky's. Well all i know is those buggers can't get them all. Keep the faith and good will come.



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junglistni

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roughly how long would they tlke 2 go bad? mine wer near 2 my ballast, i didnt notice until about 2 days later that the bottles wer warm.
 
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