Hermaphrodite from a female clone.

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StonerPoker

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• Apr 2, 2016

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I've been told that clones from a mother plant that came from seed can turn hermaphrodite even though the mother is plant was flowered and proven to be only female.

To avoid this, they say that the clones must also be flowered to see if that some (up to 90%) don't turn hermaphrodite. Are some genetics of the mothers plants more likely to turn hermaphrodite just from the cloning process alone?

I've been checking up everywhere, and have so far only found that stress or light leaks cause female clones to hermie.

I got the info from someone who I think is a professional, but this has me doubting as I can't find anyone else who thinks this.

As far as I know all clones have the same genetics as the mother, and only stress can make them hermaphrodite.

Please help me here, they have me so confused with this right now as they are the only professionals I know. And a lot of my knowledge has come from them.

P.S. they won't back down from this argument

 

MicroRoy

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• Apr 3, 2016

• #2

All mothers started from seed. At least the first generation.

Hermies are most likley caused by some kind of stress. Light cyle interuptions watering or mishaps with fertlizer.

 

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igrowone

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• Apr 3, 2016

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i have seen the odd post or 2 about stable clones suddenly showing intersex
suppose that stress is what many will say is the cause
but the growers were 'certain' they weren't stressed
i will be curious of the answers that get posted

 

WelderDan

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• Apr 3, 2016

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You can get just about any plant to herm if you stress it enough.

This 90% thing though, is silly. A clone, being a part of the original mother, has exactly the same genes as the mother. It is the same plant.

The purpose of taking clones is that you have a known mother and you know what to expect from the clones.

And no, you don't have to flower the clones to see if they herm. That's BS. If the mother was stable, the clones will be too. You flower 'em because you want more of the same thing, not to see if 90% of them herm.

 

Hammerhead

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• Apr 3, 2016

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Agree with WD.. That's a bunch of crap. Just agree to disagree and move on. Fem line or reg line both have the same potential to toss herm's depending on the genetics used to make the cross. If the intersex trait was DOM or recessive..

 

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StonerPoker

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• Apr 3, 2016

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Thanks for the replies, it helps me loads. I thought no-one would even read this post, due to the uninviting title I gave it, that's why I repeated the question in the infirmary.
While researching this I have also found out that flowering the plants too soon after cloning can cause plants to herm, depending on veg time of the genetics. I'm pretty sure that they normally advise that clones can be put into flower 2 weeks after cloning too, this could be why they think clones need flowering to test.
Thanks again, you've been a massive help

 

moses wellfleet

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• Apr 3, 2016

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StonerPoker said:

Thanks for the replies, it helps me loads. I thought no-one would even read this post, due to the uninviting title I gave it, that's why I repeated the question in the infirmary.
While researching this I have also found out that flowering the plants too soon after cloning can cause plants to herm, depending on veg time of the genetics. I'm pretty sure that they normally advise that clones can be put into flower 2 weeks after cloning too, this could be why they think clones need flowering to test.
Thanks again, you've been a massive help

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Where are you getting your info? You know that flowering plants can be successfully cloned? I have done just about everything imaginable to clones over the decades and I have never had one herm that wasn't genetically inclined towards it.

You seem to be irrationally hung up on 'herming' of clones. I'll bet the source of this info are ill informed and incompetent growers, light leaks everywhere and plants are stressed to hell and back!!

It is really not that big a deal maintain your mothers properly and take cuttings correctly, you should be fine. Plenty of great threads on here explaining cloning techniques!!

 

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StonerPoker

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• Apr 3, 2016

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From a specialized shop believe it or not, they are friends, so i'm not going to say which one. It's a small local shop, who I hope are going to listen to the advice you have all given to me x

 

moses wellfleet

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• Apr 3, 2016

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No surprise, the biggest bullshit always comes from the local hydro guy!!

Do yourself a favor and rather gather info on this site!!

 

DoubleTripleOG

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• Apr 3, 2016

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StonerPoker said:

From a specialized shop believe it or not, they are friends, so i'm not going to say which one. It's a small local shop, who I hope are going to listen to the advice you have all given to me x

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You say your expert is a friend that runs/works at at a hydro shop. Do they have some bottle of magic cure all they want to sell you, to make the hermie's not show up anymore? If so, you may want to re-evaluate your friendship.

 

MrBungle

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• Apr 3, 2016

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I've been taking clones from confirmed females of clones for years, and never get a herm.... if you tried to flower a clone from a confirmed female plant and it hermed in flower. I would look at the environment the clone is in... could be light leaks or even heat stress

 

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StonerPoker

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• Apr 3, 2016

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DoubleTripleOG said:

You say your expert is a friend that runs/works at at a hydro shop. Do they have some bottle of magic cure all they want to sell you, to make the hermie's not show up anymore? If so, you may want to re-evaluate your friendship.

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Haha. No I've not been offered any magic potions. I do feel like I have helped them out a lot in the past for them to blatantly lie to me and tell me they learned this from a "Cannabis Bible".

 

mowood3479

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• Apr 3, 2016

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Listen, some of most knowledgable cannabis growers in the world can be found on these forums, (although Iam not one of them)...
I'd say 95% of the growers (and especially hydro store clerks) I know IRL believe some things that are bullshit... This plant had been shrouded by the veil of prohibition for a long time.

There is so much bro science and anecdotal "evidence" being tossed around as fact...
But To add to the anectdotal evidence; I've never seen a female plant hermie from being cloned... This is over the course of many years. I've cloned in many different ways.. I've cloned flowering plants and had to re-veg the rooted cuts. I've cloned plants in poor health under major stress... No hermies
IME a plant either has hermi tendencies or it doesn't.
Again I'm not an expert but several members who's opinion I've come to value have already said the same thing...
Good luck

 

WelderDan

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• Apr 4, 2016

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StonerPoker said:

Haha. No I've not been offered any magic potions. I do feel like I have helped them out a lot in the past for them to blatantly lie to me and tell me they learned this from a "Cannabis Bible".

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Never discuss growing with the employees of any shop. Even in legal mmj states. Just a bad idea no matter what.

 

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