Phychotron
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For the Record!
I’ve decided to finally post a grow log on ICMAG to have something on this site to reference to people, but also because I just broke my record for this garden.
Grapegod, from perpetual cloning (no mother, over 10th generation from original seed)
Overview:
I’ve been growing this Grapegod out for quite some time now and have dialed in my entire garden to this plant. I started out fine and normal but quickly I broke the largest branch off of the largest plant right before it started flower when I was trying to weave it into a tomato cage. I also lagged on this crop a bit by not transplanting it when I should have and also felt too tired to mix up nutrients so it got pure water for almost a week starting the second week of flower. I had to buy an ozone generator because they were smelling outside my apartment and down the block a bit.
Grow area:
Six plants in five gallon pots with four gallons of Coco Coir (Canna) 4th use. Supported with tomato cages. A total height of about 36” from the top of the coco. 18” or so of flower space.
4x4 veg tent for about two months. Started in aero cloner, planed into a 1L SuperRoots Airpot as soon as roots develop. Then into 5 gallon cloth pot after it develops a root system.
4x8 tent using a 4x6 area (24sq-ft) with tower fans on both ends. Three 2x4 flood trays lifted off the ground with some X-Mass tree stands (clearance 50 cents each) and are all hooked up to drain out of one hose for flushing.
Total electricity draw for all equipment including lights is 24.53 Kw-h/day.
Training:
Starting in the 1L Airpot I top them at least once. Then I try and branch the thing out as much as possible by bending branches over and occasionally topping to get it to bush out. I try and get the plant as even as possible, but it’s still difficult to get that perfectly branched out plant. No topping a week prior to flower, and sometime two or three weeks into flower I trim the lower branches and remove anything too small from lack of light.
I take 30 clones to plant 9, to select 6 to transplant and flower out.
The 1L airpots are essential to fast roots. This was cut from the mother 27 days prior, and all original leaf had tips removed. This photo is not this garden, just to show why the airpots are the BEST for preparing a plant to transplant. Those tips EXPLODE into the new medium.
Lighting:
All LED. In veg I used two Advanced LED DS100’s and two Blackstar 240 UV (one running half the diodes)
In Flower I use an Advanced LED DS400 (390w), four DS100’s (95w * 4 = 380w) and a GrowBlu Apollo 240x3 (500w) for a total of 1270 watts.
The DS400 was on the end with the four DS100’s between it and the Apollo, not how it’s pictured.
Water system:
Drain to waste, but not really to waste. I use a cycle stat to feed about thirty seconds at lights on and 8 hours in. That gets adjusted as the plants demands it. I have a 32 gallon trash can reservoir that gets filled about once a week. The best part about this system is that it is non recirculating hydroponics! Which means there is NO tank maintenance.
The recirculating valve is opened slightly to prevent siphoning, otherwise the system will suck half the tank into the plants.
Each plant has a homemade shower ring using thick clear hose and a T from the hardware store. I drilled holes and then used a hot nail to clean and expand them. They work really well. To support them I used plastic clothespin clips. Then I used some plastic stakes to hold those down into the medium. The manifold is made out of a cheap 5/8” garden hose.
I flush once before PK boost and once before harvest and have not had any problems yet. Sometimes if I push the first flush I can see the tips starting to yellow but never anything serious.
Nutrients:
I’ve been pretty happy with the Canna line after switching from Advanced Nutrients, but have recently begun replacing some of the expensive components. For example the Canna Boost, at $100+ a liter and Canna Rhizotonic at $65/L cost only $20 per liter for both in one product from MBFerts.com
Canna Coco A/B Base (full cycle)
Canna P-K 13-14 (10 days in week 5)
Cannazym (full cycle)
Humboldt Nutrients Verde (veg)
MBFerts.com Vitamin/ Hormone booster (Boost and Rhizotonic replacer) (full cycle)
Pro-Tekt Potassium Silicate (full cycle)
General Hydroponics Ca/Mg
Advanced Nutrients pH-
Harvest:
I was planning on 8 weeks but it started to foxtail so I let it go another week to fill out a little. Then I chopped most of top colas (any that were starting to get yellow on the trim leaf receding into the buds) and let the lower branches go another week (70 days total). The whole thing could have gone another week but that second week mishap left them yellowing up sooner than normal. That really helped eliminate most any larfy and undeveloped buds on the lower branches. I‘ve gotten good at trimming this plant to avoid those stragglers. The main branch I broke off accidentally early on left a big dent in the numbers as well.
I use a spreadsheet that I created to calculate all this stuff for me, I just record how much nutrients I use, set flower start/end and power draw.
Some quantitative analysis
20 hours to trim it all with a friend. That is a lot more than I’ve had to do in the past by myself.
1345.1 grams of well-manicured bud. 48 ounces or 3lbs exactly. That’s counting an ounce at 28g (28.34 technically) and 16 ounces per pound (448g instead of 454g in a lb.)
140 grams of the bud will go to food because it’s a less dense but would also have been decent smoke, just not the top colas I’m spoiled with. I need stuff to cook with anyway and that’s perfect.
603.27 g/m^3
56.05 g/sq-ft.
1.06 g/watt
0.78 g/kw-h (1717kw-h total electricity for 70 days, not counting veg time)
2 oz. per gallon of coco coir
150g of high grade trim. (Not in calculations)
7 tanks full of nutrients (195gallons, but some plain water at the end might not have been kept track of), averages to $12.81 nutrient tank.
$0.46, the average price of nutrients per gallon of feed water, includes some plain water
$0.07 in nutrients per gram. $1.87/oz., $30.27/lb. (43% cost) $89.67 total.
$0.09 in electricity per gram. $2.48/oz., $40.18/lb. (57% cost) $119.04 total.
$0.16 total per gram, $4.34/oz., $70.44/lb. $208.71 total.
There are a few miscellaneous costs, like technically the coco cost $100 per year when reusing it, but not much else other than that. Maybe add a penny or two per gram to the total cost and you’ll be really close, if not over.
Conclusion:
Some thoughts about efficiency, the GrowBlu is 500watts compared to Advanced LED’s 390 to cover the same area (2’x5’ and 2.5’x4’ listed, respectively) of 2’x4’ The GrowBlu is pulling too many watts and has less overlap because of the 60 degree lens. I’d prefer all Advanced LED, and will probably work on some XTE series lights that pull 330 watts each (so 990w total) and see how that compares.
Also the plant with the most bud was on the end under the DS400. I put the largest plants in the center to get the most light, but this one did well with only one side light up.
One thing I’m going to do to lower cost even more is swapping out my enzyme product, trying Big Time Enzyme right now, it’s cheaper and takes less. Looks promising.
Next time I'm going to use SuperRoots Airpots instead of the cloth (3.6gal, 5 gallon equivalent) and add two tiers of trellis net to support the buds. I tied (most) the buds up this time but have been lazy in the past and just let them flop over when weighed down.
You can't post more than 5 photo's at a time so it'll have to span multiple posts. I also didn't take a lot of photo's because I wasn't expecting to do a log with it. Photos start at day 15.
UPDATE:
Tested the bud from either this batch or the previous. Tested at 26.15% THC
Potency Profile:
0.40% CBG-A
< 0.01% CBG
0.40% CBG-TOTAL
24.84% ∆9-THC-A
1.31% ∆9-THC
< 0.01% ∆8-THC
< 0.01% CBN
26.15% THC-TOTAL
0.07% CBD-A
0.10% CBD
0.17% CBD-TOTAL
0.04% CBC
1.45% ACTIVATED-TOTAL
∆9THC + ∆8THC + CBN + CBD + CBG + CBC, Cannabinoids that have been activated through decarboxylation (curing/storage of flowers, or heating/cooking of edibles, tinctures, & concentrates)
Terpene Profile:
< 0.01% Linalool
< 0.01% Caryophyllene oxide
0.13% Myrcene
< 0.01% beta-Pinene
< 0.01% Limonene
< 0.01% Terpinolene
< 0.01% alpha-Pinene
0.32% Humulene
0.78% Caryophyllene
1.23% TERPENE-TOTAL
A better overview of my garden can be seen here:
www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/759102 and there is a link to another growlog, which then links to another growlog following the same basic principles.
I’ve decided to finally post a grow log on ICMAG to have something on this site to reference to people, but also because I just broke my record for this garden.
Grapegod, from perpetual cloning (no mother, over 10th generation from original seed)
Overview:
I’ve been growing this Grapegod out for quite some time now and have dialed in my entire garden to this plant. I started out fine and normal but quickly I broke the largest branch off of the largest plant right before it started flower when I was trying to weave it into a tomato cage. I also lagged on this crop a bit by not transplanting it when I should have and also felt too tired to mix up nutrients so it got pure water for almost a week starting the second week of flower. I had to buy an ozone generator because they were smelling outside my apartment and down the block a bit.
Grow area:
Six plants in five gallon pots with four gallons of Coco Coir (Canna) 4th use. Supported with tomato cages. A total height of about 36” from the top of the coco. 18” or so of flower space.
4x4 veg tent for about two months. Started in aero cloner, planed into a 1L SuperRoots Airpot as soon as roots develop. Then into 5 gallon cloth pot after it develops a root system.
4x8 tent using a 4x6 area (24sq-ft) with tower fans on both ends. Three 2x4 flood trays lifted off the ground with some X-Mass tree stands (clearance 50 cents each) and are all hooked up to drain out of one hose for flushing.
Total electricity draw for all equipment including lights is 24.53 Kw-h/day.
Training:
Starting in the 1L Airpot I top them at least once. Then I try and branch the thing out as much as possible by bending branches over and occasionally topping to get it to bush out. I try and get the plant as even as possible, but it’s still difficult to get that perfectly branched out plant. No topping a week prior to flower, and sometime two or three weeks into flower I trim the lower branches and remove anything too small from lack of light.
I take 30 clones to plant 9, to select 6 to transplant and flower out.
The 1L airpots are essential to fast roots. This was cut from the mother 27 days prior, and all original leaf had tips removed. This photo is not this garden, just to show why the airpots are the BEST for preparing a plant to transplant. Those tips EXPLODE into the new medium.
Lighting:
All LED. In veg I used two Advanced LED DS100’s and two Blackstar 240 UV (one running half the diodes)
In Flower I use an Advanced LED DS400 (390w), four DS100’s (95w * 4 = 380w) and a GrowBlu Apollo 240x3 (500w) for a total of 1270 watts.
The DS400 was on the end with the four DS100’s between it and the Apollo, not how it’s pictured.
Water system:
Drain to waste, but not really to waste. I use a cycle stat to feed about thirty seconds at lights on and 8 hours in. That gets adjusted as the plants demands it. I have a 32 gallon trash can reservoir that gets filled about once a week. The best part about this system is that it is non recirculating hydroponics! Which means there is NO tank maintenance.
The recirculating valve is opened slightly to prevent siphoning, otherwise the system will suck half the tank into the plants.
Each plant has a homemade shower ring using thick clear hose and a T from the hardware store. I drilled holes and then used a hot nail to clean and expand them. They work really well. To support them I used plastic clothespin clips. Then I used some plastic stakes to hold those down into the medium. The manifold is made out of a cheap 5/8” garden hose.
I flush once before PK boost and once before harvest and have not had any problems yet. Sometimes if I push the first flush I can see the tips starting to yellow but never anything serious.
Nutrients:
I’ve been pretty happy with the Canna line after switching from Advanced Nutrients, but have recently begun replacing some of the expensive components. For example the Canna Boost, at $100+ a liter and Canna Rhizotonic at $65/L cost only $20 per liter for both in one product from MBFerts.com
Canna Coco A/B Base (full cycle)
Canna P-K 13-14 (10 days in week 5)
Cannazym (full cycle)
Humboldt Nutrients Verde (veg)
MBFerts.com Vitamin/ Hormone booster (Boost and Rhizotonic replacer) (full cycle)
Pro-Tekt Potassium Silicate (full cycle)
General Hydroponics Ca/Mg
Advanced Nutrients pH-
Harvest:
I was planning on 8 weeks but it started to foxtail so I let it go another week to fill out a little. Then I chopped most of top colas (any that were starting to get yellow on the trim leaf receding into the buds) and let the lower branches go another week (70 days total). The whole thing could have gone another week but that second week mishap left them yellowing up sooner than normal. That really helped eliminate most any larfy and undeveloped buds on the lower branches. I‘ve gotten good at trimming this plant to avoid those stragglers. The main branch I broke off accidentally early on left a big dent in the numbers as well.
I use a spreadsheet that I created to calculate all this stuff for me, I just record how much nutrients I use, set flower start/end and power draw.
Some quantitative analysis
20 hours to trim it all with a friend. That is a lot more than I’ve had to do in the past by myself.
1345.1 grams of well-manicured bud. 48 ounces or 3lbs exactly. That’s counting an ounce at 28g (28.34 technically) and 16 ounces per pound (448g instead of 454g in a lb.)
140 grams of the bud will go to food because it’s a less dense but would also have been decent smoke, just not the top colas I’m spoiled with. I need stuff to cook with anyway and that’s perfect.
603.27 g/m^3
56.05 g/sq-ft.
1.06 g/watt
0.78 g/kw-h (1717kw-h total electricity for 70 days, not counting veg time)
2 oz. per gallon of coco coir
150g of high grade trim. (Not in calculations)
7 tanks full of nutrients (195gallons, but some plain water at the end might not have been kept track of), averages to $12.81 nutrient tank.
$0.46, the average price of nutrients per gallon of feed water, includes some plain water
$0.07 in nutrients per gram. $1.87/oz., $30.27/lb. (43% cost) $89.67 total.
$0.09 in electricity per gram. $2.48/oz., $40.18/lb. (57% cost) $119.04 total.
$0.16 total per gram, $4.34/oz., $70.44/lb. $208.71 total.
There are a few miscellaneous costs, like technically the coco cost $100 per year when reusing it, but not much else other than that. Maybe add a penny or two per gram to the total cost and you’ll be really close, if not over.
Conclusion:
Some thoughts about efficiency, the GrowBlu is 500watts compared to Advanced LED’s 390 to cover the same area (2’x5’ and 2.5’x4’ listed, respectively) of 2’x4’ The GrowBlu is pulling too many watts and has less overlap because of the 60 degree lens. I’d prefer all Advanced LED, and will probably work on some XTE series lights that pull 330 watts each (so 990w total) and see how that compares.
Also the plant with the most bud was on the end under the DS400. I put the largest plants in the center to get the most light, but this one did well with only one side light up.
One thing I’m going to do to lower cost even more is swapping out my enzyme product, trying Big Time Enzyme right now, it’s cheaper and takes less. Looks promising.
Next time I'm going to use SuperRoots Airpots instead of the cloth (3.6gal, 5 gallon equivalent) and add two tiers of trellis net to support the buds. I tied (most) the buds up this time but have been lazy in the past and just let them flop over when weighed down.
You can't post more than 5 photo's at a time so it'll have to span multiple posts. I also didn't take a lot of photo's because I wasn't expecting to do a log with it. Photos start at day 15.
UPDATE:
Tested the bud from either this batch or the previous. Tested at 26.15% THC
Potency Profile:
0.40% CBG-A
< 0.01% CBG
0.40% CBG-TOTAL
24.84% ∆9-THC-A
1.31% ∆9-THC
< 0.01% ∆8-THC
< 0.01% CBN
26.15% THC-TOTAL
0.07% CBD-A
0.10% CBD
0.17% CBD-TOTAL
0.04% CBC
1.45% ACTIVATED-TOTAL
∆9THC + ∆8THC + CBN + CBD + CBG + CBC, Cannabinoids that have been activated through decarboxylation (curing/storage of flowers, or heating/cooking of edibles, tinctures, & concentrates)
Terpene Profile:
< 0.01% Linalool
< 0.01% Caryophyllene oxide
0.13% Myrcene
< 0.01% beta-Pinene
< 0.01% Limonene
< 0.01% Terpinolene
< 0.01% alpha-Pinene
0.32% Humulene
0.78% Caryophyllene
1.23% TERPENE-TOTAL
A better overview of my garden can be seen here:
www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/759102 and there is a link to another growlog, which then links to another growlog following the same basic principles.
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