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Curious on how many switched back
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Not anytime soon, but I'm at 150W. Curious who went back?
. My un-dialed vert garden is still outyielding my dialed horizontal space.
Ttystikk
Member
Yeah, count me in with the vert for life crowd;
1. Less floor space, by 2/3 to 3/4
2. Less watts, by anywhere from 2/3 to 4/5 vs a recent comparison with a licensed commercial indoor warehouse.
3. Less work that requires less bending, stretching and contortions around flatlander ScrOG panels
4. Three times the yields on average
5. Being able to say flatlander in reference to obsolete growing methods!
I followed the numbers and they led me here. It's just plain BETTER. I'll run another flatlander grow someday, but it will be for the same reason I ride a horse; for fun, not because it's a better transportation alternative to my Ford.
1. Less floor space, by 2/3 to 3/4
2. Less watts, by anywhere from 2/3 to 4/5 vs a recent comparison with a licensed commercial indoor warehouse.
3. Less work that requires less bending, stretching and contortions around flatlander ScrOG panels
4. Three times the yields on average
5. Being able to say flatlander in reference to obsolete growing methods!
I followed the numbers and they led me here. It's just plain BETTER. I'll run another flatlander grow someday, but it will be for the same reason I ride a horse; for fun, not because it's a better transportation alternative to my Ford.
I tried it then went back to horizontal for a few reasons. The big one is it doesn't work well with all strains and too long to veg or too high a plant count to get the most out of it.
Still vert.
Stayfoolish
Member
Pretty sure vert for life. In at least some form. Vertical bare bulbs are just too effective.
I run both. Horizontal setups work way too well with higher plant #s. Building stacked trays is just ridiculous IMO. When I have the plants laying around to just squish into a tray and flip that's what I do, but there is no way in hell it is more efficient.
For my main trays I go vert. A reflector is just a massive waste of light, and a massive heatsink keeping the heat inside the tent.
For my main trays I go vert. A reflector is just a massive waste of light, and a massive heatsink keeping the heat inside the tent.
RedBeardy5
Active member
Yup, went vertical and I can't switch back. Vertical is way more efficient
Well you got to look at it this way you say massive waste of light ??? well i looked at your 3 k donut how many plants you got going in them and also noticed .7 GPW to me thats so in efficient
i look at it as ,, i got all light going in one direction and thats to the plants Sure if your tight for space running vert can be beneficial as in your donut 3 k but does it mean its really efficient
now there are some vert growers doing well and i am not here to bash vert growing i could really care less but most are struggling to achieve gram per watt and that is also cramming em in there coliseum, stacked trays etc
just by looking at your last posts of your plants in your 3 k donut thread there is a shit load of larf under developed buds meaning shake when dried
So saying vert is more efficient many could say baloney it is
hell i get 1160 - 1180 dry grams per 1000 watt 4 plants and not a huge yielder PPP 3000 watts 7.5 pounds 12 plants
CriticAL MASS i can hit 1.6 - 1.8 GRAMS PER 1000 WATT
There are many ways to skin it what ever works well for your situation right???
here 7 pound 2000 watt grow love to see a vert compare ???????? lets stack em lol
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Ttystikk
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Well you got to look at it this way you say massive waste of light ??? well i looked at your 3 k donut how many plants you got going in them and also noticed .7 GPW to me thats so in efficient
i look at it as ,, i got all light going in one direction and thats to the plants Sure if your tight for space running vert can be beneficial as in your donut 3 k but does it mean its really efficient
now there are some vert growers doing well and i am not here to bash vert growing i could really care less but most are struggling to achieve gram per watt and that is also cramming em in there coliseum, stacked trays etc
just by looking at your last posts of your plants in your 3 k donut thread there is a shit load of larf under developed buds meaning shake when dried
So saying vert is more efficient many could say baloney it is
hell i get 1160 - 1180 dry grams per 1000 watt 4 plants and not a huge yielder PPP 3000 watts 7.5 pounds 12 plants
CriticAL MASS i can hit 1.6 - 1.8 GRAMS PER 1000 WATT
There are many ways to skin it what ever works well for your situation right???
here 7 pound 2000 watt grow love to see a vert compare ???????? lets stack em lol
I'm not proud and I'm not scared; just exactly how the Fuck did you get seven elbows from 2kW, vertical or any other way?
76 plants vegged 5 weeks 1 mh 1 HPS veg and flower Horizontal
That is illegal where I am.
Since you decided to pick on my comment, whatever, I'll bite.
#1 Reflected light loses intensity, and that loss in intensity is turned into infrared HEAT which is either reflected back at the plants or adsorbed by the hood. This is a fact. Light intensity is also lost over free space/distance from the bulb. Vert wins in pure efficiency NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY. SCIENCE SAYS SO.
#2 I have little to no larf. I do vast amounts of lolipopping/defoliating during flower. If you are seeing larf in my thread its from a horizontal grow turned vert, or looking at the strain that foxtails like no ones business. Calling the top colas of a fluffy strain "larf" doesn't count at all IMO.
#3 There is a variety of reasons for lack of yeild. If you read my thread you will see multiple differing lights. Some starting under 600 moving to 1k. Some from horizontal to vert. And plants having to be stuffed into a uhaul so the landlord can do a walkthrough, and others moving between newandd old rooms. Things have been in constant flux for me while I'm learning. Ive slowly learned more and more about growing, from lights, to training, to environment, to coco in the last year and a half and Im proud of my progression. I think i will easily break 1gpw this round.
#4 - 76 plants would create a situation where I couldnt keep plants flowering, and couldnt even take clones until after harvest without going over 100 plants which is 5years mandatory minimum prison sentence in the US. Even though there are no limits on medical growing in my state, I would like to stay out of federal prison.
#5 if you actually read what I wrote I even agreed that horizontal was the way to go with high plants numbers....
RedBeardy5
Active member
You can't compare a tree grow to a small plant grow. Legal is the name of the game.
Yea pretty much everywhere
Only about one of every six people convicted in marijuana grow-op cases goes to jail, says a newly released Justice Department study.
The finding suggests the new minimum-sentence provisions in the Conservative government's omnibus crime bill could dramatically increase the number of people behind bars for running grow-ops.
Bill C-10, now before a House of Commons committee, would impose a minimum sentence of six months in jail for anyone growing between six and 200 marijuana plants. Minimum terms increase in steps to two years for higher quantities, with even more severe terms for using rented premises so if your going to jail for 6 months you might as well make it worth it right lol
IMO and probably right 90 percent of people in this forum and other forums and growers alike are probably growing illegal anyways so there on purpose growing small watching power bill etc , right ????? and others that got the means and most importantly the BALLS will grow large difference is you neighbours find out when your raided , on other side the whole city and country knows that a 200 - 10,000 plant grow op was taken down right ??? the Cops want that on the news
most of the growers in CA are growing gorrela grows high up in the mountains Illegal big time but FEds / cops let it go WHY ???? cause it costs to much money to go up there and take it down etc
LSWM Do not be mistaken that having light reflected back to the plants is so drastically lost think again you light open ended reflector is still laying down 96 percent if not more of that light might i say both ends of that light downward to that canopy
THink of heat as horsepower PAR photo active radiation
#1 Reflected light loses intensity, and that loss in intensity is turned into infrared HEAT which is either reflected back at the plants or adsorbed by the hood. This is a fact. Light intensity is also lost over free space/distance from the bulb. Vert wins in pure efficiency NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY. SCIENCE SAYS SO.
let me think here most vert growers run cool tubes and science says by cooling you light it never hits the proper operating range PEAK power or par here check out the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLzsrmJfdlE
So with blowing cooler air on the bulb par rating drop so now some vert growers run fans on floor like your self blowing heat up could this also which in turn is cooling your bulb
Science also tells me that a light coming from a point source and directed into a area will in fact have more intensity then a light placed in the same area but being thrown 360 degrees i always wondered why the NAvy or hollywood used this type reflected beam of light rather then just holding up a light vertical make sense to you ??
2 You mention little to no larf could you please post a picture of one of your plants that you did vertical let some others chime in as to what is larf i call larf buds like the one in my hand in picture once dried it will be 3/4 less in size and eventually be shake thats a guarantee in them pound bags
3 - THats whats great about these sites people can learn,, take ideas ... I have not bashed your style or grow in any means and i hope you do hit GPW
here picture of buds that will be larf / shake in a pound bag
PS: most commercial grow ops run horizontal for a reason yes they will place vertical in shaded areas i guess jack and some other big time growers are just doing it all wrong lol
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What's your definition of larf, small nugs? It has nothing to do with density?
In my grows the nugs get larger from the bottom up, but the bottoms have great density. Everything comes out much more even. In horizontal grows of my own, and others I've helped with, the tops of their nugs get great light, and the bottoms get fluffier. Anything below that I call "larf". It has everything to do with density and doneness and nothing to do with size.
I see no larf here.
I smell a troll....
In my grows the nugs get larger from the bottom up, but the bottoms have great density. Everything comes out much more even. In horizontal grows of my own, and others I've helped with, the tops of their nugs get great light, and the bottoms get fluffier. Anything below that I call "larf". It has everything to do with density and doneness and nothing to do with size.
I see no larf here.
I smell a troll....
Omg not only is 1/2 to 3/4 of that plant buds like i posted in my hand lol really dude and they get bigger bottom up ??? ok i see that now i must need fucking glasses hahaha
i see some decent buds up top but half the plant down is it really what ??? you got some dry bud shot pics ??? hahaha i got to see this here some lower bud shots from horizontal and of course dried buds 
and waht top buds look like you see a difference under 1k
i see some decent buds up top but half the plant down is it really what ??? you got some dry bud shot pics ??? hahaha i got to see this here some lower bud shots from horizontal and of course dried buds and waht top buds look like you see a difference under 1k
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Reflectors is the way to go
Reflectors is the way to go
Boostin shortys... soggin it, floggin it
Reflectors is the way to go
Boostin shortys... soggin it, floggin it
I would love to give horizontal another try. Can't argue with numbers and I seen some killer yields lately from some members. Been about 5 years or so since I ran a garden that way. I actually have thought hard about it since I'm in a new location now but I have a pretty small space to work with it's like 9x10 and that's for the whole op. Still trying to plan out exactly how it's gonna be set up.
Lately I've been thinking of just sticking with vert cause I can just stack and build up. I was thinking 4 x 600 in 2 stacked 4x4 tents. That would still give me space to move around and have a veg area.
Dr Fever, curious what you would do with a room that size to get the most out of it?
Lately I've been thinking of just sticking with vert cause I can just stack and build up. I was thinking 4 x 600 in 2 stacked 4x4 tents. That would still give me space to move around and have a veg area.
Dr Fever, curious what you would do with a room that size to get the most out of it?
