My battle with BM's rages on!!!

So I've been battling bm's since my last grow. My PPP seedlings were sprouted at the end of my last grow so for sure they got bm's as well. Before bringing them into my room this round I dipped them in forbid and avid. At the same time I had dipped my new kush clones in avid and forbid. One week later PPP girls showed signs of stress and sickness from the dips. Clones looked fine. We are now almost 2 weeks from when they got dipped. Clones are starting to take off but PPP seedlings were starting to grow quite well 4-5 days ago but in the last 2 days have started looking ill. Pale in color, droopy, dark spots on leafs. All plants are getting the same feed. H&G Aqua Flakes 700-800ppm, Aptus, OG Biowar Tea. Plants are in 2 gallon smart pots and just started getting feed once a day. Humidity 67%, 82-84 degrees lights on, co2 1050-1100ppm.

So just finished yet another heat treatment!! Will cut a couple more leafs off tomorrow and have a looksie for BM's.

Here is some pics of my PPP girls. Let me know what guys think is going on with them? They are getting the exact same feed as my kush clones and they are looking good.....

Some leafs are getting these spots


Picture of my clones for a comparison

damn bro that sux. im in the same boat. been prolly six months. I havnt done the heat treatment yet myself. ive been spraying with avid every 3-4 weeks. if I wait a couple days more im seeing bm damage quickly. although its working I wish I could just deal with spidermites again! keep up the good work bro! cya

good luck with the fight

Im telling you. Biphenthrine dips. every 5 days for 3-4 weeks. BUT you need to be a way off from flower. CANNOT use if your close to flowering.

defoiliate, cut plants back. dip with one tablespoon per gallon. Use a wick agent. filter leaves an sediment out, seal an save the dip for next time. place in dark cool area. you can use the dip multiple times.

clean floors, clean walls, clean containers, clean stakes, throw out bamboo or wood, bugs love to hide in them.

i dip in 3 gal buckets. i can fit a 2-3 ft mom in there. after dip, filter out medium that may got into dip. take a half gallon an use it to spray an wipe containers, walls, stakes. top spray the medium. spray floors. NOOOOO ANIMALS NEAR WET SOLUTION!!!!

Get some nice long chemical gloves that go up to your elbows. Do not let dip sit on your skin, immediately rinse

things gotta get clean. i do not fuck arround anymore. biphenthrine!!!. Spider mites, broad mites, white flys, aphids, gnats. DOOOONNNNNNEEEEE.

trick is you need to reapply every 5-7 days. u need to hit the newborns. biphenthrine will stick on the leaves. when they bite the leaf again to feed they will get another dose. they will posion themselves while they feed. eventually they will not be able to control any body functions. it brings me pleasure watching under a microscope that a spider mite will convulse uncontrollably, they cannot mate, they cannot feed. DONE.

make no mistake, biphenthrine is poisonous. it has a short half life an decays under 30days. No plants in flower.

it will not kill off your leaves either. repeat dips for a few weeks, clean again every week. anything new comes into garden quarantine an dip it for 2 weeks before it enters the main room. I really should make a thread.

best of luck an b-safe

You may also have a nutrient issue going on as well.


But the other thing about broad mites is they attack the plant an lower its immunity. When the plant has a lower immunity other infections or problems will arise from the attack masking the first issue.

b-safe

this is where i differ from most and i just refuse to mess with mites and i junk it all and start over ,mites make growing NOT FUN AT ALL .

LEDNewbie said:

So I've been battling bm's since my last grow. My PPP seedlings were sprouted at the end of my last grow so for sure they got bm's as well. Before bringing them into my room this round I dipped them in forbid and avid. At the same time I had dipped my new kush clones in avid and forbid. One week later PPP girls showed signs of stress and sickness from the dips. Clones looked fine. We are now almost 2 weeks from when they got dipped. Clones are starting to take off but PPP seedlings were starting to grow quite well 4-5 days ago but in the last 2 days have started looking ill. Pale in color, droopy, dark spots on leafs. All plants are getting the same feed. H&G Aqua Flakes 700-800ppm, Aptus, OG Biowar Tea. Plants are in 2 gallon smart pots and just started getting feed once a day. Humidity 67%, 82-84 degrees lights on, co2 1050-1100ppm.

So just finished yet another heat treatment!! Will cut a couple more leafs off tomorrow and have a looksie for BM's.

Here is some pics of my PPP girls. Let me know what guys think is going on with them? They are getting the exact same feed as my kush clones and they are looking good.....
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Can't imagine why you started a new thread on this. All of your questions have been answered many times in the broad mite thread. However, I now see that you are growing in soil, and that knowledge, coupled with how the plants look, makes me think you have root aphids too. Better pull one of them out of it's pot and examine the roots very carefully with a loupe. I'm not even going to tell you how to treat for that until confirmation.
It seems you have a tendency to overdo things, ie, more heat than is necessary, more poisons than are necessary, more water than is necessary. This is not a criticism, just an observation. My best suggestion to you is to scrap that grow, completely sterilize that room (I think you already have), and start over in Hempy buckets in coco.
In two weeks, the plants will be bigger than those, and final yield will be 4 times what you are going to get there. Go to the Hempy buckets in coco thread, and learn a very simple method to get huge, healthy plants, without the hassle of soil. By the way, I'm guessing they are over watered too from the pictures. You cannot over water in coco in Hempy buckets. In fact, best results are gotten by watering/feeding daily, or even continuously with drippers. Use the K.I.S.S. method (another thread), and you will get plants that will blow those away in a matter of weeks.
That is my best advice to you, and if you try it, you will be amazed at the results compared to soil, and you will be thanking me later. Also you might want to start with some feminized seeds, rather than buying infested clones from dispensaries, which seem to be par for the course now.

BM's legacy

BM's legacy

Spray Forbid or Judo (same thing)...don't have to soak plant and I use a little less concentration than suggested. Spray again about two or three weeks later. I was BM free for over a year. You won't notice instant results. After last spray it will take about three or four weeks until you see real new healthy growth.I have them again cause you never get totally rid of them as they are in your yard and home. I will do the same as I did last time. And I even wait another length of time before putting them in flower so it ends up being at least around four weeks from last spay before they go into flower.I will have the end medicine tested this time as I have found someone who will test for The active ingredient of Forbid and Judo but I don't expect any harmful levels of this product if I do I will not let people use it.

I would add I'm talking about mothers and how to keep going with this menace.But the Mothers after sprayed and the resulting clones where BM free for over a year doing what I did. Your experience may have different results.May use a couple of heat treatments in early flower just to be extra cautious.

Thanks some old dude.

It would surprise me if I had root aphids but at the sme time I will open up my smart pot tomorrow and examine to see if I see anything???

I may just junk my PPP seedlings. Why suffer threw this bs if my kush clones look good and healthy!! I was going to junk my PPP seedlings at the End of last round but kept them under the recommendation of someone else. Should have just went with
My gut feeling!!!

I'm also going to check the run off from my coco tomorrow to see where ph is at. Will let u guys know what I find. Thanks everyone.

LEDNewbie said:

Thanks some old dude.

It would surprise me if I had root aphids but at the sme time I will open up my smart pot tomorrow and examine to see if I see anything???

I may just junk my PPP seedlings. Why suffer threw this bs if my kush clones look good and healthy!! I was going to junk my PPP seedlings at the End of last round but kept them under the recommendation of someone else. Should have just went with
My gut feeling!!!

I'm also going to check the run off from my coco tomorrow to see where ph is at. Will let u guys know what I find. Thanks everyone.

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I thought it was soil from the pictures, and therefore looked over watered. But if coco, your PH is probably off from the looks of them, if you don't have root aphids. They sure have that root aphid look though, which resembles the look of PH problems. If so, you need PH 5.8, and if you start anything new, try coco in Hempy buckets, 2 gallons. You will be amazed at the growth rate, and a Hempy bucket costs $2 @ Home Depot for 2 gallons, which is all you need, even for huge plants. Yield will be significantly bigger than any other kind of pot, and I've tried them all. There is no simpler method of growing. Almost impossible to screw it up. Impossible to over water. I gave away my expensive smart pots after discovering Hempys. Hempys blow them away. Once you try Hempys, you will never grow in another type of pot.

OK, this is what I found today. Took the largest ppp seedling which was the one that looked the worse and opened up the pot. Took some time but I did manage to see a few white very skinny things moving around. Every time I would see one it would scurry and hide. Then when I went to get my magnifying loupe I couldn't find one again!!!! Looked for another 5 minutes digging through the coco and couldn't find squat. I could see them with the naked eye but they were tiny kinda looked like a little centipede. From the pics I've been looking at of root aphids that doesn't seem to fit the description? So what are these little fuckers???? The big plant that I found these bugs in also had the least mount of root development. Virtually no roots poking out of the pots. Roots in the pot did look nice and white just not much growth. The rest of the ppp seedlings did have roots poking out of the pots but I said fuck and through all 10 seedlings out!!!! My kush clones which are all right next to my ppp seedlings have roots growing out of the damn pots!!!!!! Seriously, some of them have roots 4-5" long dangling from the pots!!!

After throwing out the 10 ppp seedlings next thing i wanted to do was check run off from one of my kush clones. I made a batch of nutes at 1.2 ec and 5.6 ph. I also put some Aptus Bio Shark Soil Attack which is basically essential oils at full strength which is 2ml per gallon in with the mix. Watered plant till I got a little run off and checked it out. It was 0.8 ec and 6.4 ph. The tea I feed the plants with on Monday was ph of 6.7. This is only my 2nd or 3rd watering since then each time I gave them 1.2 ec and 5.8-6.0 ph. Think my ph is high just from the tea?? Plants look healthy and have great root growth.....

Guess first thing first is I need to figure out what bug was in the coco??? Even though my kush plants look OK I'm sure those little bastards are in there as well???? Next things is where the fuck did they come from? And then what should I do for my kush clones? Hoping the aptus soil attack will keep them at bay until we can figure something out!!!! I'm assuming I had these little bastards with my ppp seedlings before I transplanted them into my 2 gallon pots? But the weird thing is the most unhealthy one, the largest one had completely filled the 4" pot it was in with roots!!! And now it had the least amount of root development! Only thigh I did different when I got my kush clones was I dipped the 1.5" rockwool cubes they were in, in some merit 75 which has imid in it. Ppp seedlings only got the miticides. Then when I first pre charged the coco I hit the coco with 1.0 ec and 5.8 ph with some aptus soil attack but only at there maintenance rate which is 1 mil per gallon. Let that sit for a day and then transplanted.

Let me know what u guys think. I gotta get this shit in order before I go crazy!!!! Thanks everyone!!!

essential oils try it, its works! i was given san diegos finest broadmites free of charge, karmas a bitch! good luck..

LEDNewbie said:

OK, this is what I found today. Took the largest ppp seedling which was the one that looked the worse and opened up the pot. Took some time but I did manage to see a few white very skinny things moving around. Every time I would see one it would scurry and hide. Then when I went to get my magnifying loupe I couldn't find one again!!!!

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Probably soil mites. Don't ruin your plants and waste time trying to kill em. cause you can't. You're currently surrounded by millions of mites (dust mite)right now and you don't go and try killing em, cause you can't. Having soil mites can mean nothing or if in large numbers may indicate too much bacteria/fungus/decaying matter. But other than the bulb mite not much is known if there are any other plant parasitic soil mites. Not to be confused w plant parasitic terrestrial mites like spider, broads, etc.

Have you actually seen live Broad mites on your plants?

Hey bud. I responded to your pm before reading your post. What I saw was like a really tiny little centipede. White, super skinny. Think that could just be a harmless soil mite?

No have not see a dead or alive bm in a long time. But from what peeps have told me what eggs look like I keep seeing those....??? Maybe what I'm seeing isn't eggs??

If there are eggs. There are mites/insects. Eggs dont lay themselves. But im not exactly sure how you would see eggs without seeing mites first.
Not sure if you have a 100-60x scope... if not go to radio shack and pick one up. real cheap.

first step here is to verify/identify if you actually have broad mites, or something else... if anything.
white skinny centipede looking doesnt sound like a mite to me.



does this look like what youre seeing? and where exactly are you seeing them? in the medium, on the plant itself? sorry if I did not catch that if posted prior.

a very vague google image search should also point you in the right direction once you get a look at the insect.

if you simply cannot find any, I would move onto another possible issue.

Yes I have a 100x scope. I also bought a 400x USB scope and been using that lately. But have found no adults!!!

What I saw kinda looks like that. Saw them in the root zone of the sick plant I threw out. Was digging threw the root zone looking for aphids and saw something like that but all white.

intotheunknown said:

If there are eggs. There are mites/insects. Eggs dont lay themselves. But im not exactly sure how you would see eggs without seeing mites first.
Not sure if you have a 100-60x scope... if not go to radio shack and pick one up. real cheap.

first step here is to verify/identify if you actually have broad mites, or something else... if anything.
white skinny centipede looking doesnt sound like a mite to me.

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does this look like what youre seeing? and where exactly are you seeing them? in the medium, on the plant itself? sorry if I did not catch that if posted prior.

a very vague google image search should also point you in the right direction once you get a look at the insect.

if you simply cannot find any, I would move onto another possible issue.

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Those are springtails in the pic, right? They don't cause issues as far as I know. Can you confirm?

those plants are too far gone. scrap and start over.