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thefanfx

Member
Hey fellows

I'm having issue with this decease on the pictures bellow
Short Description:
White Widow plant 36 days old
Perfect temperature 27 Celsius
Perfect Ventilation with 2 fans
Soil from BioBizz 14 liters inside the pot with pH 6.4
Watering once per 48h 800ml pure water
Nutrition till now only 2 times x 0.5mg per 2 liters of water from Canna Bio Flores
Air Pot - 10 liters

The Decease:
Brownish spots . shown first on my top big leaves edges , then spread to almost all top big leaves and some little once too
The decease makes the leaves dry in 3 days after the spots are shown and if you touch the leaf it falls apart totally dry (see pics)

Please help me to define this , no idea why it appears , it started from pure green and healthy plant before 4 days and now it almost destroyed every leaf which is affected , there were no critical changes in environment or any other

P.S: I suspect Ca-Mag deficiency , but it sound impossible with this amount of soil and nutrition ... dunno try to help

Full Album here:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=40234
 
Which soil are you using from Biobizz? The website for the All-mix says " it has enough power to sustain lush plant growth for a couple of weeks with no extra fertilizer input required." If you've been in that for 36 days, you need to feed more. If you're using any of the other soils they make, you need to feed from the beginning. I'm not exactly sure what def. you have, it doesn't really look like cal/mag to me, and I'm not good at calling defs., but I'd say give them some nutes. I'm sure Seamaiden and others will chime in and tell you exactly what nute you're deficient in.
 

thefanfx

Member
Hey

I'm using BioBizz Light Mix soil solution , the pot is 10 Liters and it collected 10-11 liters soil inside fresh from the pack

These are the nutrition's i have

http://www.4hydroponics.com/nutrients/items.asp?ItemNo=bioFlores

I used it already 2 times till now, 0.5mg per 2 liters of water which is almost nothing like 1/5 from normal dosage

But the plant is very big for 36 days age and maybe now it needs to feed him a lot more

Tomorrow i will use standard dosage 1.5mg per 2 liters of water

Will keep ya posted , thanks for your feedback
 

Granger2

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thefanfix,
Feed at feeding chart strength. I think you should go by the chart and use what it calls for at this stage of growth. Waaay underfed. Good luck. -granger
 

cody2white

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Looks like heat stress. I know you said perfect temps but you can still get the light to close. You have any twisty leafs? Seen any bugs flying around?

I think their hungry after looking at your album. Goodluck to you! Keep us posted
 
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Infinitesimal

my strength is a number, and my soul lies in every
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Hey fellows

I'm having issue with this decease on the pictures bellow
Short Description:
White Widow plant 36 days old
Perfect temperature 27 Celsius
Perfect Ventilation with 2 fans
Soil from BioBizz 14 liters inside the pot with pH 6.4
Watering once per 48h 800ml pure water
Nutrition till now only 2 times x 0.5mg per 2 liters of water from Canna Bio Flores
Air Pot - 10 liters

The Decease:
Brownish spots . shown first on my top big leaves edges , then spread to almost all top big leaves and some little once too
The decease makes the leaves dry in 3 days after the spots are shown and if you touch the leaf it falls apart totally dry (see pics)[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=40234&pictureid=951921&thumb=1]View Image[/URL] [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=40234&pictureid=951922&thumb=1]View Image[/URL] [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=40234&pictureid=951923&thumb=1]View Image[/URL] [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=40234&pictureid=951924&thumb=1]View Image[/URL] [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=40234&pictureid=951925&thumb=1]View Image[/URL]

Please help me to define this , no idea why it appears , it started from pure green and healthy plant before 4 days and now it almost destroyed every leaf which is affected , there were no critical changes in environment or any other

P.S: I suspect Ca-Mag deficiency , but it sound impossible with this amount of soil and nutrition ... dunno try to help

Full Album here:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=40234

hey there,

every response you have gotten so far is different... don't you know what it is by now??? jeez... just kidding man. all of the proposed answers are different and all of them are wrong... the best advise you have gotten so far is UNDER FED.

You sir, have a potassium deficiency... aka potash... aka K... low PH can lock out K... what is the PH of your water/Nute solution?

it is DEFINITELY NOT nute burn!... here is an excerpt from Joe Fresh's thread.

Potassium Deficiency

The onset of potassium deficiency is generally characterized by a marginal chlorosis progressing into a dry leathery tan scorch on recently matured leaves. This is followed by increasing interveinal scorching and/or necrosis progressing from the leaf edge to the midrib as the stress increases. As the deficiency progresses, most of the interveinal area becomes necrotic, the veins remain green and the leaves tend to curl and crinkle. In some plant such as legumes and potato, the initial symptom of deficiency is white speckling or freckling of the leaf blades. In contrast to nitrogen deficiency, chlorosis is irreversible in potassium deficiency, even if potassium is given to the plants. Because potassium is very mobile within the plant, symptoms only develop on young leaves in the case of extreme deficiency. Potassium deficiency can be greatly alleviated in the presence of sodium but the resulting sodium-rich plants are much more succulent than a high potassium plant. In some plants over 90% of the required potassium can be replaced with sodium without any reduction in growth.

Potassium deficiency, also known as potash deficiency, is a plant disorder that is most common on light, sandy soils, because potassium ions (K+) are highly soluble and will easily leach from soils without colloids.[1] Potassium deficiency is also common in chalky or peaty soils with a low clay content. It is also found on heavy clays with a poor structure.

Potassium plays a big role as well. Having good amounts of potassium in your plants helps in having sturdy and thick stems, disease-resistance, water respiration, as well aids in photosynthesis. Potassium is also found in the whole plant. It is necessary for all activities having to do with water transportation. Potassium is necessary for all stages of growth, especially important in the development of Buds.

Having to little of Potassium in your plants causes the plants leaves to show retarded growth and show a scorched tip and edges around the leaves. Plants may stretch and your branches can be easily broken or weak. Don’t get this deficiency confused with iron, because it almost acts like iron but to tell the difference in the two is: for potassium the tips of the leaves curl and the edges burn and die. Older leaves may show a red color and leaves could curl upwards. Dead patches (Necrosis) can happen on the margins of larger fan leaves thus, the leaves will eventually die off and turn brown. The Older leaves will show different patches of color (mottle) and turn yellow between the veins, following by whole leaves that turn dark yellow and die. The plants overall growth slows down, mostly when they are in vegetative stage. To little amount of potassium also slows the growth of buds during flowering stages. Dark edges will appear around the edges of the leaf when the deficiency is starting to happen. When your Relative humidity is low, you can almost bet your going to soon get a potassium deficiency from your plants perspiration.
Potassium can get poorly absorbed when having too much Calcium or ammonium nitrogen, and maybe cold weather. Having to much sodium (Na) causes potassium to be displaced. SO keep those in mind… Parts affected by a Potassium Deficiency are: older leaves and leaf margins.


When you have too much Potassium in your soil, it can lead to big troubles, like salt damage and acid fixation of the root system, as well as too much potassium can cause a calcium deficiency. Your fan leaves will show like a light to a dark yellow to whitish color in between the veins. Due to a molecular imbalance, potassium toxicity can cause a reduced uptake and lead to the deficiencies of Mg, and in some cases, Ca. Also leads to the other nutrients to not be absorbed properly leading to lots of other deficiency such as: magnesium, manganese, zinc and iron and can cause problems with calcium as well.



Problems with Potassium being locked out by PH troubles
Soils with excessive Leeching and High ph soils and or water.Soils that are potassium fixated. An excess of kitchen salts (sodium) in the root system/enviroment.


Soil

Potassium gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
Potassium is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-9.5. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Potassium deficiency.


Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Potassium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0-4.5, 6.0-6.5.
Potassium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.7-5.3, 6.7-8.5. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a potassium deficiency.



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HAPPY GROWING.

Peace,
Infi
 
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thefanfx

Member
Heeeey fellows

So far the decease is still ruining my plant but the buds and the little leaves are healthy and smelly

Let me start answering all your suggestions

My pH is 6.5 , my water pH is 7.2 straight from the sink :)

About the temperature it is 26 Celsius constant , well yeah the growbox is closed but i have 1 huge fan at the bottom and 1 not so small one attached directly to the lamp which blows straight to the plant top

The nutrition product i'm using is Canna Bio Flora ,and i use it 3 times till now 1mg per 2 liters of water for 12 liter Air Pot and Soil is almost like nothing but not like without , the soil contain all necessary things too and it is not like 1-4kg but 12kg so it can go discharged so fast the plant is just 43 days old since i put the seed into the soil

So far none of any suggestions sound reasonable , maybe it can be heat stress due closed growbox but why it's not affection the whole plant but only the bigger nice leaves ? no idea

It looks like potasum really , but i have no explanation why potasum can appear in such conditions like mine

And if it's Potasum ? How to fix it any good suggestions ?

Thanks all for now
 

unspoken

Member
Biobizz light mix has very little nutrients in it at all. Did you amend it from the standard stuff? I don't think you can flower a plant in light mix without full strength feeding of nutes. Isn't light mix a seed starter blend?
 

thefanfx

Member
hey

i'm more and more thinking that it's all because of less food

last 2 times i feed it very well with 2mg/2liter Canna Bio Flores

and i will continue with this dosage each 48 hours , the pot is Air Pot and the Soil is 12 liters so there is no way to over water it or anything like moisture or mold damage for the roots

Yes i guess BioBizz light mix is not enough strong , but the idea was that the plant is only 40 days old and 12 liters are not a small amount

so i'll continue to feed it strong for next 2 weeks at least and then will get back to half of normal dosage which means 1mg/2liters water per 48 hours , but for now will keep it on 2mg

the battle is not lost , i have no single huge leaf alive anymore , but all little are healthy especially these around the buds all around the plant , but all huge one are dead , the thing which worries me is that the top little leaves are dead too , but i hope new one will pop up so the bud will not die

All other buds are super good and healthy , with a lot of white snow over the little leaves around them

Thanks to everyone
 

Infinitesimal

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yeah it is K def.

several reasons why you have K def.

K dissolves in the water and runs out of the medium very easily... plus K doesn't absorb well in cold temps... it is essential to water retention, transportation and transpiration (which is why the leave dry out and die) and you need to add it through fertilization or you will suffer K deficiencies

and no 10 liters of bio buzz will not get you through a grow... I would feed with 1/2 strength every watering. then add some PK booster until new growth is fine... what kind of PK booster? IDK I've topped dressed... with guano's and other dry amendments along with watering molasses for a few years now and I am not familiar with products.

palm bunch ash
hard wood ash
kelp
for some reason I can't think of more K sources... but there is a bunch
 

Granger2

Active member
Veteran
You're feeding at 1/15th or 1/25th strength, and you think increasing feeding is unreasonable advice???!

Why don't you try one feeding at, say 15 ml/gal., and see what happens? Don't expect the damaged leaves to repair, but the new growth should show improvement. -granger
 

thefanfx

Member
thanks fellows

i have to feed it tomorrow morning , so i'll double the dosage for sure

about the pH currently is between 6.5 and 7.0 can't be sure cause the i don't really trust these devices but for sure is over 6.5

i have wood ashes anyway so i can put some

i'm not going to remove the dead leaves anyway ...it will looks a bit like undead :) but i don't care

so more food more will be

thanks again
 

thefanfx

Member
Day 45 - Survival - Aftermath

Day 45 - Survival - Aftermath

High fellows

Good news , it's official , i blocked the spread of this f'okin decease

It's not going worst anymore , and now it's time for recovery

I used double dosage nutrition from Canna Bio Flora double dosage per 48 hours till now 3 times , and it seems it works

Yeah the damage left but there are no new deadly signs anymore

So follow the pictures and feel free to comment

QUESTION:
I have couple of Bud's with Orange hair , i'm not sure if that some damage or it's normal , As far as i know when the Bud's went from white to brown etc different color it's near to harvest but it can be just a different color plant (as i know the White Widow sometimes have orange hair) . I have no idea , please comment that , you can see from the pics . Thanks




Find the full album of Day 45 here:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=40382
 
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Sat X RB

mate, I 'd message SeaMaiden or Clackamus Coote or Joe Fresh about this one.

the idea of K shortage makes most sense but I can't see how you can be short of that ... short of anything actually ...

puzzled ...
 

thefanfx

Member
Question

Question

Hey fellows

about the Potasum (K) problem it's more than clear and it's already stopped , as you can see from the pics the plant is not dying anymore and it's in restoration phase already

my questions now is:
QUESTION:
I have couple of Bud's with Orange hair , i'm not sure if that some damage or it's normal , As far as i know when the Bud's went from white to brown etc different color it's near to harvest but it can be just a different color plant (as i know the White Widow sometimes have orange hair) . I have no idea .

Because when i touch these brown hair pieces they fall out easily

Thanks in advance.
 
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