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interesting article on silicon

jammie

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380 Differential Responses of Container-grown Ornamental Foliage Plants to Silicon Application
Jianjun Chen*,1, Russell D. Caldwell1, Cynthia A. Robinson1 and Bob Steinkamp2
+ Author Affiliations

1University of Florida, Mid-Florida Research and Education Center, 2725 Binion Road, Apopka, FL 32703;2 Fafard, Inc. Apopka, FL 32703
Abstract

Silicon (Si) is the second most-abundant element in soils, and its concentration in soil solution ranges from 0.1 to 0.6 mM, which is the same concentration range as some of the major nutrient elements such as calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and sulfur. Increasing evidence has recently suggested that Si plays important roles in improving plant growth. However, little information is available on Si effects on container-grown ornamental plants, particularly since most are grown in soilless media where Si sources are greatly limited. The objectives of this research were to evaluate Si absorption and translocation in diverse container-grown ornamental plants and to determine whether Si absorption could improve plant growth. Liners from 39 plant species were potted in peat and pine bark-based soilless media and grown in a shaded greenhouse. Plants were fertigated with a Peter's 24–8–16 water-soluble fertilizer containing 0, 50, and 100 mg·L–1 of Si. Once marketable sizes were reached, plants were harvested and fresh and dry weights determined; Si and other nutrient elements in roots and shoots were measured. Results indicated that 32 of the 39 evaluated species were able to absorb Si, with large quantities further transported to shoots. Of the 32 Si-responsive species, 17 showed significant dry weight increases, whereas the other 15 only exhibited Si absorption and translocation with no apparent growth responses. The seven non-responsive plant species showed no significant increases in neither Si absorption and translocation, nor dry weight.
 

Neo 420

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So....some plants have no benefit from (Si)and some do. Some accumalte and some don't. Any links to get more info?? Very interesting....
 

FatherEarth

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Not a research paper although manufacturer claims supported by the above report...

http://florawww.eeb.uconn.edu/msds/Pro-Tekt_DataSheet.pdf

I use this product frequently and I have seen very positive results, especially when foliar feeding. I also use it almost every watering as recommended on the label.


Potential horticultural and disease management benefits of silicon
http://ccfc.org/files/datnoffsil-1228076369.pdf

ORIGINAL ARTICLES Evaluation of Nitrogen and Silicon Application ...
http://www.aensiweb.com/jasr/jasr/2012/686-692.pdf

Silicon uptake and accumulation in higher plants
http://www.aseanbiotechnology.info/Abstract/21019928.pdf
 

joe guy

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For sure it works for mj its the reason my big ass golf balls few damn near tennis ball flowers are under no support at all being held up by twigs. Hell i have to tie them down its roids for this plant.. Couldnt tell ya if it helps for resin or not since iv never not used it with this strain but wont not use it ever for the price ud b stupid not to.. I have protekt and its like 6.8 or 7.8 percent si for under 15 bucks at .25 to .5 tsp a gal it last for ever i even use it on my bean stalks and tomatoes fking awsome stuff
 

dansbuds

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Started adding it about 3 years ago (protekt ) & haven't looked back sense . the difference in branch strength , frostyness of my buds & the denseness is hands down 5x better with it .
 

headband 707

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Okay I can't help but notice that the article talks about "Ornamental foliage" and is this real silicon? Cause if it is I might be worried about using it on plants I was smoking.. I don't know enough about this particular article but I do know about silicon and ornamental foliage....The article does keep refering to ornamental foliage for a reason.. headband 707

Ornamental plants are plants that are grown for decorative purposes in gardens and landscape design projects, as houseplants, for cut flowers and specimen display. The cultivation of these forms a major branch of horticulture.
 

Oliver Pantsoff

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Protekt stop me from having to stake my SFV OG up. Anybody that grows her know how lanky she can be at times. Ill never grow w/o it again....

OP
 

FatherEarth

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From CC's link

Potassium silicate is a good soluble form of silica but it is not compatible with many other fertilisers and must often be applied as a standalone. One way out of this limitation is to use a pre-formulated potassium silicate-based fertiliser which includes other synergists.
 

MileHighGuy

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CC - Check this out...

Si Sol B PDF

Si Sol B website

I was thinking about the process that breaks SIO2 down into SiH4O4 so that it can be absorbed by plants.

In my head I'm thinking... can't they find some microbe in a rock quarry or something?

Lol..... well the above PDF is for a product that contains bacteria from a quarry and once inoculated into the soil will make the Potassium Silicate Agsil16H more readily available for the plants.

I'm itching to try this, have you any experience?

This would be my answer to those looking for duplicate Fasilator's Silicic Acid at a much lower cost.... if it works.....

But I don't know where to buy it to try it. I just emailed agrilife.
 

Granger2

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When they said no benefit, that means none that they looked for. Silicon gives cannabinauts lots of return for the cost. -granger
 

MileHighGuy

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Well, CC answered me elsewhere.

His response was along the lines of....

Comfrey and Kelp have plenty of Silicic Acid in them.

and I was like..... Sweet.
 

shaggyballs

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Silamol, a formulation of , potassium silicate chelated with PEG400,
Is it better to chelate potassium silicate with peg400???

IF so at what ratio?
 

MileHighGuy

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I can't see a reason to use Glycol.

I use the Potassium Silcate agsil16h

picture.php


That I mix at 70 Grams per 16 ounces of water to duplicate the percentage levels in Dyna Gro's ProTekt. I mix up a fresh bottle every so often from the pound of Agsil16h that I bought.

This 4lb would last a couple years or more depending on how many plants.

https://customhydronutrients.com/ze...ge=product_info&cPath=1_60_68&products_id=131

You could also use it this way:

Mix 1.5 grams AgSil 16H with 1 ounce Dyna-Gro Pure Neem Oil to emulsify the oil. Then mix this emulsified oil with one gallon final volume spray solution. Spray every other week covering all plant surfaces (top and bottom of leaves) until it runs off.
 

shaggyballs

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I can't see a reason to use Glycol.
potassium silicate, chelated with PEG400/Surfactant,
http://www.siliforce.com/pdf/7c/Bel...t foliaire du Si contre Mildio sur BLE GB.pdf
Plants treated with Kasil and Silamol through root applications had the highest levels of Si
deposition (Figure 1c and 1d). By contrast, foliar-treated plants accumulated very little Si. In
most cases, concentrations were
comparable to that of control plants with only a few spots appearing above the background level

gave a lower
disease control than Kasil and Silamol (Figure 2; Contrast B). Interestingly, Silamol, a product
formulated for foliar


applications, also yielded excellent control of powdery mildew, comparable to that of Kasil, when
used as a soil drench at 1.7
mM Si
 

dizzlekush

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Well, CC answered me elsewhere.

His response was along the lines of....

Comfrey and Kelp have plenty of Silicic Acid in them.

and I was like..... Sweet.
Not to be a dick but that's not really true.

Kelp does NOT contain 'plenty' of Si (especially compared to comfrey). Being a plant that grows in the ocean it does contain some Si but not at significant enough levels to be considered a potential Si amendment at practical (or beneficial) application levels.

Also this Si in plants is almost entirely in the form of amorphous silica, a.k.a. silica gel, not silicic acid, and its intentionally deposited in plant tissue in a way that makes me highly dubious of any claims to extract the Si with a simple aqueous solution or mulching.
I can't see a reason to use Glycol
Hear Hear
 
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