Super Silver Haze Is she just Overwatered ?

DamnUglyDogE · May 8, 2012

Is this just overwatering ? Please help..lol

Problems: Scrog # 1 Super Silver Haze has yellow leaves.
Had to cut a branch. it died and i dont want mold.

I drilled a lot of holes in container for better drainage and dug a 1 inch hole 3\4 the way down dirt and filled with perlite
to help with aeration and help dry out faster & add some (Mycorrhizal Beneficial Fungi) for root growth.

Cut 5-6-12

SCROG #1-- SSH x 4 & SourD x 1- Flowered on (3-26-12) Day 43

Grow Type - Soil with Organic top dressing

Medium - 50% Perlite -30% Organic Soil 10% Potting Soil -10% Chicken manure, moss & other

Was till ( 5-3-5 ) All CFL now 5-7-12 under

Lights - 400W HPS/MHTube grow lite with 400w Harvest Pro Elite Switchable ballast.

+ 2 64W cfl's

Bulb - 430 w hps UltraGrow SuperLux bulb- on par with(Eye Hortilux Super HPS 430Watt Bulb) 1/4 the price. *Test*
Added a Equalizer Hot Spot Diffuser HPS 600/400

I have a home made tea brewing:

Home made tea,Bad or good idea ?
Home made tea brew--
3 gallon water container
4 1/2 TBSP Guano
1 tbs M.O.A.B
2 1/2 tsp Hydroplex Bloom maximizer
1/4 cup Molasses
2 1/2 tsp Epsom salt
4 1/2 TBSP Blood meal- For nitro def -
2 tsp Mycorrhizae

Added a air pump with bubbler and figure 48 to 72 hours I will
put into 1 gallon jugs and use to feed the ladys.

Is this a bad idea ?
I did put some thought into the mix Yet dont really know
if it will help or kill.
I look at my ladys and this is what they say they want.
To me at least.

Please feel free to be honest and if you care to share why I should not do a mix like this. I would appreciate the input.

At the same time I have

AGE OLD ORGANICS GROW
AGE OLD ORGANICS BLOOM
AGE OLD KELP (0.30-0.25-0.15)
AGE OLD FISH AND SEAWEED (3-3-2)
on the way..

Weedninja · May 8, 2012

It's hard to tell what's going on with the plants from those pics. Can you get one that's closer in to the problem spots?

I will tell you what stands out to me. I am a perlite junkie myself, but 50% is high. 30% is good and you can even get away with 20%.

Chicken shit is very high in nitrogen. I honestly can't believe you still have plants that are alive if your mix is 10% chicken manure.

I would hold off on the tea for now. It sounds good for vegging plants, but it's a little high in N for flowering.

What kind of guano are you using-seabird or bat? What's the N-P-K number?

DamnUglyDogE · May 8, 2012

Weedninja said:
It's hard to tell what's going on with the plants from those pics. Can you get one that's closer in to the problem spots?

I will tell you what stands out to me. I am a perlite junkie myself, but 50% is high. 30% is good and you can even get away with 20%.

Chicken shit is very high in nitrogen. I honestly can't believe you still have plants that are alive if your mix is 10% chicken manure.

I would hold off on the tea for now. It sounds good for vegging plants, but it's a little high in N for flowering.

What kind of guano are you using-seabird or bat? What's the N-P-K number?

Yeah im kinda worried about the tea myself- was Kinda thinking 1/2 strenth yet now I think I will just wait for the AGE OLD ORGANICS line to show up in the mail and use that.
Figure it would give more time to dry out.

I will use the tea for my other plants outside.lol

I used the chicken shit in the top dressing mix only
The top 2" of the scrog and training ladys- I have only watered
once since.
She started showing yellow a week before and I did the top dressing and holes in the pot when she started getting worse.

I will take some better close up in the am.
The other ladys in the same pot look a lot better. just seems to be this one ssh.

I'm using Bat Guano 1-10-1

I could remove the top dressing and go with another blend.
Any suggestions using these items?

1- AGE OLD ORGANICS GROW QT 12-6-6--A fast-acting natural high nitrogen formula with a 2 to 1 nitrogen ratio to encourage continued growth and vigor to your plants. Age Old Grow is manufactured by combining fish, seaweed, and naturally-occurring nutrients to form a stable, odorless, liquid plant food.

1- AGE OLD ORGANICS BLOOM QT 5-10-5--
A fast-acting natural high phosphorus combination of two of the oldest forms of fertilizer known, with added micronutrients. Odorless and concentrated Age Old Bloom will encourage early growth, better fruit set, increase germination rates, help flower and bud formation, and will help overcome stress caused by natural or chemical damage.
1- AGE OLD KELP (0.30-0.25-0.15) qt size
Liquid Kelp concentrate supplies your plants with fast-acting and an odorless sources of minerals. When applied as a soil drench, Age Old Kelp helps build soil tilth and will restore the biological life of damaged soils. When used as a foliar spray, Age Old Kelp provides needed nutrients while improving the uptake of most nutrients.
1- AGE OLD FISH AND SEAWEED (3-3-2) QT SIZE
The original organic fertilizer is a blend of processed fish hydrolysates and North Atlantic sea kelp. Loaded with macro-nutrients Age Old Fish & Seaweed makes for an effective plant stress reducer, encourages root growth and is rich in carbohydrates.

Thankz for taken the time...

Hash Zeppelin · May 8, 2012

it does look over fed. also you may have made your soil mix to dense.

stonedwarrior · May 8, 2012

Switch to 100% Perlite and hydro nutes. Best answer I can give, sorry, I'm not a fan of organics....

DamnUglyDogE · May 8, 2012

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DamnUglyDogE · May 8, 2012

Hash Zeppelin said:
it does look over fed. also you may have made your soil mix to dense.

Could be too dense. When I did the pots I used way to much moss and have worried about root rot ever since.

They never dry out. I am hoping the holes in the containers will
help with that.

She is dying a slow death. one branch at a time.
I may just pull her in a couple days at most.

Glad I made a few extra ladys as back ups just incase.

rrog · May 8, 2012

It's tough with ferts. I have good luck with SSH in soil

DamnUglyDogE · May 9, 2012

OK
well Ive come up with a game plan.
Going to take off the 2'' of top feed soil I put in 3 days ago.
I'm going to dig into and break up the side of the scrog soil. carefully of course.
aerate the soil as best I can then for a top cover im thinking.
60% perlite / 35% soil... then a little bone & blood meal
a touch of lime and Epsom salt.

lol my plants outside are loving all these changes... they get the leftovers... Fat roses everywhere this year...hummmmm....

Weedninja · May 9, 2012

Honestly, man I think you're throwing too much stuff at them. MJ is a very light feeder compared with almost any other plant.

DamnUglyDogE · May 9, 2012

Weedninja said:
Honestly, man I think you're throwing too much stuff at them. MJ is a very light feeder compared with almost any other plant.

Yep Seems to be my theme...lol

Trying to work on that..
The whole K.I.S.S style grow is tough for me.

Going simple from here on tho. way over the learning curve.

Do u think the new top cover is still to much ?

Should I just go with 70% & 30% soil-?
I want good air flow on the top 2" to help dry the bottom.

DamnUglyDogE · May 9, 2012

Trying ta fix...5-8-12

Trying ta fix...5-8-12

There is one lady ready to die and another showing stress. the other 3 look fin and healthy.

To try and fix. I took the top 2" top feed layer of soil back off and dug the top of the soil
up a little to airate.

Leaving it open to air for a day then I will put 2" of just perlite with a little soil.
I will water tomorrow a little then feed a few days after that.

Weedninja · May 9, 2012

Do you have holes in the bottom of those containers?

TripleDraw27 · May 9, 2012

Let em dry and they will reach for the sky.

Less is more.

Maxibloom just winked at me, brb

DamnUglyDogE · May 10, 2012

I just put a ton of holes in everything and have the fan working on drying her out.
I just hope it is not to late.

Yes... Im going simple from here on...lol
I have a 347 part game plan to finish her off... <---- Joke

Just going with the perlite/soil top back on once dried out, lite watering a day later
and go with "Age Old Organics" from here on.

Thanks for the input ya'll..

Weedninja · May 10, 2012

No need to ditch the molasses or mycorrhizae. Everything else can be used for any deficiencies that pop up in the future.

Remember you can always try for a re-veg if this run doesn't work out. I've smoked plants that looked like that, and let's just say don't be surprised if they taste like sweaty gym socks.

Good luck.

DamnUglyDogE · May 10, 2012

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DamnUglyDogE · May 13, 2012

Well... she is still dying a slow death & the lady next to her is going the same way..
Any thoughts. Could really use some advise ... Otherwise I'll pull her and try to put into a new
pot. Use her hole to dig bottom of scrog. out and put perlite in as best I can.

DamnUglyDogE · May 13, 2012

I also trimmed her dead leaves a day ago. Let the light through. No improvement ..

Scrappy-doo · May 13, 2012

Start fresh with new plants dude those are not worth saving.

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