SOG vs Scrog?

GrowBox420 · Nov 25, 2010

I wanted to start a thread that could be used as a reference point for growers that want to take a look at the different benefits of Sog vs Scrog... but there is a problem I dont know anything about the two.

So to all the growers please help...

I was woundering about the use of sapce, plant #'s, knowledge needed to execute the different methods.

Any knowledge of the two different methods is greatly appericated. (and if there is a thread based on this please let me know)

superpedro · Nov 26, 2010

In short:
ScrOG.: Can be done with as little as one plant or more, demands some veg time, easy to control the shape and size, high yield if you get it right.

SOG.: Uses a lot of plants, very short veg - if any - I start at 12/12 even before the plants are rooted with some strains. Uses way more vertical space than a ScrOG needs to do, high yield if you get it right.

High Country · Nov 26, 2010

SOG = SEA OF GREEN

Female clones only of the same strain so sex and height is known. Indicas are perfect for this method.
Clones are planted at 4 per sq/ft in rockwool cubes, hydroton or pots with whatever medium you want to use. Some people do it in soil but I prefer hydro, ebb/flow.
So in a 3x3 table 36 clones, a 4x4 64 clones.
Clones are vegged for a week max. I don't and put them straight on to 12/12.
Trim any lateral growth that does not look like it will stay close to the main stem. What we want are single colas. Lot's of them.

One must have known female mother plants, have a very reliable cloning method and not be nervous about plant numbers.

36 CLONES IN A 3X3 TABLE UNDER A 1000W HPS

A MOB OF CLONES AND ONE SINGLE COLA OUT OF 36

Here's a good read for those wanting to try a SOG.

Tutorials - - International Cannagraphic Magazine

Go to
HOW DO I GROW SINGLE COLA STYLE, SEA OF GREEN EBB & FLOW?

FreezerBoy · Nov 27, 2010

While SOG produces faster from lack of veg time, the real benefit is variety. You can have as many strains as plants. ScrOG severely limits strain variety but, if you only grow one variety, one plant takes the place of 20-50-100 plants.

GrowBox420 · Nov 30, 2010

Thanks Guys,
How long is the average veg for a Scrog? Also do you weave while in veg or flower?
I have a medical card am allowed six plants would I be able to SOG (with only 6) perpetually or would I be better of trying to get a max yield once a harvest? Clones would have to be included in that number.

Guest 168361 · Nov 30, 2010

the veg time for a scrog depends on how big a screen your trying to fill up. the bigger the screen the longer the veg time. i weave during later veg stages and really early flower. If I were you with the restrictions I would just do 6 huge banger plants in a big ass scrog. Veg for a month and fill a fat screen. imho

FreezerBoy · Nov 30, 2010

6 plants is more of a POG (Puddle of Green) With ScrOG, If you don't mind waiting on the first harvest, you may well get buried in weed. My 250/single plant ScrOG produces more than I can handle. ScrOG is a form of LST (low stress training) they both accomplish much the same thing. Some like a screen, some hate it. Some simple LST might combine well with a mini SOG.

Filling the screen depends largely on the variety. With 8 week strains, fill 1/2-2/3 the screen and flip to 12/12. With 20 week sativas, start at 12/12 and train once it hits the screen.

You don't have to weave. Anything that pokes through the screen, poke it back under the same hole it came through. Few days later it will try again one hole out, poke it back under. Wait for actual bud formation before you allow it to come through the screen. If you like long flowering sativas, once it's above the screen keep tying it down throughout the grow. Horizontal colas look funny but, smoke just fine.

High Country · Nov 30, 2010

POG, Puddle Of Green, that's funny. But yeh, you don't need 1000W and a full on SOG at 4 per sq/ft for a good yield. A SCROG is good if plant numbers are an issue, then you can keep a couple of mums and clones in a veg cycle while the SCROG flowers and you don't need big lights. You can still almost do a perpetual grow if managed right. Two mums, two clones vegging and two in the SCROG. POG, love it.

Warped1 · Nov 30, 2010

A Sog maximizes the total number of plants per square foot.. or meter..damn metric system. Sorry I'm in the U.S. And a Scrog maximizes the total growing area with fewer plants,but uses a screen to spread out the canopy to cover the growing space. If the number of plants is a concern then a Scrog is the way to go.

JWP · Nov 30, 2010

GrowBox420 said:
Thanks Guys,
How long is the average veg for a Scrog? Also do you weave while in veg or flower?
I have a medical card am allowed six plants would I be able to SOG (with only 6) perpetually or would I be better of trying to get a max yield once a harvest? Clones would have to be included in that number.

I'm from the same place as High Country. We arent even supposed to have 1 single plant.
He has big brass balls so he is smashing it with his SOG.

I on the other hand dont feel comfortable with more than 4 plants (min charge lol).

But im hitting +1gpw with every grow. 1 flowering clone scrog. You would be best to scrog with your restrictions.

Wanna scrog like a pro? See NBG's thread 400W HPS Scrog - 1Plant - 450gr Harvest

I keep my numbers down by using flowering clones and they are also awesome for scrogs.

stihgnobevoli · Nov 30, 2010

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VerdantGreen · Nov 30, 2010

if you dont have a separate veg space then sog is probably better (but keep in mind the implications of your plant count should you get busted)

scrog is good for those who can veg plants a bit and want to keep their count down.

modular scrog allows scrog to be run in a perpetual fashion and makes it much easier to run multiple strains.

VG

basspirate · Nov 30, 2010

word up, i think the mod scrog is the way to go and you should read verdant's threads...

personally, i would go scrog in this whacky day and age.

cheers to ye and good luck!

GrowBox420 · Dec 4, 2010

So if I go with a Scrog I will be able to keep my numbers down and be able to veg a plant to replace it. I just dont know how to Scrog right now I am doing some LST because my plant is getting out of control for its space. I am worried because I am running out of room for it.
Thanks everyone for the help... If anyone has any experience with the scrog please tell me how to train thanks

kcbudz31 · Dec 6, 2010

GrowBox420 said:
So if I go with a Scrog I will be able to keep my numbers down and be able to veg a plant to replace it. I just dont know how to Scrog right now I am doing some LST because my plant is getting out of control for its space. I am worried because I am running out of room for it.
Thanks everyone for the help... If anyone has any experience with the scrog please tell me how to train thanks

Scrogging is pretty much just LST except instead of individual wires you just have a screen or some chicken wire or something laid out horizontally. Think about it for a sec - if it pokes up before flower, you just tuck it underneath. So you get massive veg mass under there and then as you flower you let only the buds come up, and it all just fills in beautifully.

FreezerBoy · Dec 6, 2010

GrowBox420 said:
I just dont know how to Scrog

Niether did I and lookie what I got stuck with my first time out of the gate. I didn't have a clue and learned it all on the fly. The pvc frame is 29 inches long meaning several colas were 20 inches and longer. Watercured, I got over 4 oz. Aircured, had I not smoked along the way, i may have hit 8 oz or more. Everytime it pokes through the screen, poke it back under through the same hole. When it pokes up again one hole out, poke it back under. Once you see buds form (real buds not preflowers) let her through. The screen does all the work.

BigBuck · Dec 12, 2010

word. spot on.

BigBuck · Dec 12, 2010

Skruddles said:
the veg time for a scrog depends on how big a screen your trying to fill up. the bigger the screen the longer the veg time. i weave during later veg stages and really early flower. If I were you with the restrictions I would just do 6 huge banger plants in a big ass scrog. Veg for a month and fill a fat screen. imho

word. spot on

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