The History of Cinderella 99

Originally Posted By Mr Soul:
(Co-owner of Bros Grimm)

In 1997, I discovered a few seeds in a bud of Jack Herer I bought @ “Sensi Smile” Coffeeshop in Amsterdam [Owned and Operated by Sensi Seeds] while there to buy seeds.
I didn’t expect much when I grew them, but one of those seeds from the JH bud produced a very special female that I call “Princess”.
Therefore Princess’ mother was a Jack Herer (IF we can believe what Sensi Smile printed on the package) and her Father is a totally unidentified mystery plant.
I also got 2 more females (Genius & Cafe’Girl) & several males from those seeds. I used pollen from one of the males on a heavy-yielding, dense, resinous Shiva Skunk (from Sensi Seedbank) female, then grew the resulting seeds to get males to produce pollen to cross Princess with, beginning the Cubing process.
The First Generation of seeds from Princess were called P.50 because they were 50% Princess. I used males from the P.50 Generation to Back-Cross to Princess to get P.75 and again Back-Cross with the P.75 pollen to get P.88 and again with the P.88 Pollen to get P.94 which is “Cinderella 99", a Cubed version of Princess.
The name “Cinderella” was chosen because of the Parallels between this story and the well-known Fairy Tale in which Cinderella becomes a Princess despite her humble beginning. It’s also VERY similar to the story of the “Morgan Horse”…go Figure...

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Simplified Cubing Project:
Shiva Skunk

x [Jack Herer x ?

] = Pollen for Initial Cross Process (SSxJH/?

)
Princess Clone

x (SSxJH/?

) = P.50 (50% Princess)
Princess Clone

x P.50

= P.75 (75% Princess)
Princess Clone

x P.75

= P.88 (87.5% Princess)
Princess Clone

x P.88

= P.99 AKA Cinderella 99 (94% Princess)

I'm Sure Many People Knew JH Was the Mother of (To Prevent Complications - Technically Princess) Cinderella 99.
But How many Knew Her Brother was the Famous Elite Genius Clone??

Cafe' Girl...Anyone Ever Heard of Her??

Theoretically the Jack (Cindy's Mother) Didn't Hermi because, as stated "Several Males" Where Found, Plus C99 is Very Insusceptible (Opposite of Sensitive) when it Comes to Hermi-ing.

Mr.Soul said:

“I personally think the plants these Cinderella 99 seeds produce are every bit as good as a cutting from Princess herself (or better).
I say better because the flavor of no two plants is “identical”; there’s a personality to all living things. Like Princess herself, Cinderella is sweet & fruity to the palette and nose,
and when you take a hit you’re BLASTED…with the same “racy” high as Princess!
The improvement comes in the yield department; 25% greater yield and a stronger branch structure, which I accomplished by starting with some Shiva Skunk genes in the original father in the cubing process.
I knew I’d blend out the majority of the traits from Shiva Skunk in the cubing process, but I was hoping to incorporate the Shiva Skunk’s stronger branches because Princess had a tendency to need supports in the final two weeks of flowering. As it turns out, I got lucky and it worked.
The name suits the strain IMO – it’s a true Cinderella Story.” – MrSoul

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I Wondered why a Breeder, Who received Males (Princess' Brothers) Would Use Shiva Skunk in the Mix
The Original Princess, Must have been Real Spindly and Lanky (Cinderella Still is a Little)


I Spent A Lot of Time Trying to Figure Out Who the Potential Father Could be...Coming from a Sensi Shop, Obviously Hes a Sensi Strain.
First Thoughts (I'm Sure for Many) is Shes a JH F2, However I Disagree...Theres Plenty of JH F2-F5's and Even a White Label Jack F2, None of Them are Anything Like C99 or Genius.

Jack Herer (Sensi Seed)= Skunk #1 x Northern Lights #5 x Haze

So I Thought about the Phenotypes NOT Expressed in Jack Herer (Which is Very Difficult Because of Jacks Diversity/Instability) which are:
-Very Short Flowering Time (Especially for a Sativa) 50-55 Days
-Almost Overpowering Citrus Smell and Taste
-Very Thin Sativa Looking Leaves with Very Distinctive Double Serrated Leaf Blades

Picture Courtesy of jonas@diesel

The Double Serrated Blades is a Common Trait in What Seems to be the Better Phenos of Skunk and Skunk Crosses. Although Very Rare, Its Can be Found on Some Jack Herer Phenos...


Flying Dutchman's The Pure (Pure Skunk #1)

In Conclusion, my Theory is C99 Dad was a Very Special, Fruity Skunk (#1 or Shiva). Unfortunately Even if That was Fact, C99 Could Never be Replicated. Its Was a Chance Meeting of 2 Very Special Phenos... Ironic, How many of Our Great Strains are Accidents...

SOURCE Contains A lot of Redundant Info, But Also Goes into Detail Information about Cinderella 99, Invaluable to Someone Trying to Breed or Simply Select Better C99 Phenos
-Capt Dutch

you double posted.

But How many Knew Her Brother was the Famous Elite Genius Clone??
Cafe' Girl...Anyone Ever Heard of Her??

Cafe girl and Genius where the JH pheno's mr soul found along with princess, When he popped some beans he found in some JH bud form sensi coffee shop in Dam

Double bladed leafs off some c99 I have grown

nothing like a good old strain history story

Awesome thread!!! I love C99

RollmeoneKenobi said:

you double posted.

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Huh?? I Only See One Post...Wheres the Other??
Double Post or Double Thread?? Cuz I Can See Something Odd is Going on...Like When I Came Back to Finish/Edit Thread, It Started a Second Post/Thread??
Sorry


-Capt Dutch

great thread man. I love c99, a-11, jH, and ssh. basically the base three strains for all of them are skunk 1, NL, and Haze, just in different orders with different phenos picked. it is cool to see the variety that you can get just through the randomness of genetics with a little human guidance.

Great read mate! Fantastic post. Thanks for taking the time

EmpireSeeds said:

But How many Knew Her Brother was the Famous Elite Genius Clone??
Cafe' Girl...Anyone Ever Heard of Her??

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BigPhil said:

Cafe girl and Genius where the JH pheno's mr soul found along with princess, When he popped some beans he found in some JH bud form sensi coffee shop in Dam

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Those are Whats Called Rhetorical Questions. The Answer is Right in the First Article I Posted...

Hash Zeppelin said:

great thread man. I love c99, a-11, jH, and ssh. basically the base three strains for all of them are skunk 1, NL, and Haze, just in different orders with different phenos picked. it is cool to see the variety that you can get just through the randomness of genetics with a little human guidance.

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Thanks Man
Yah, I Read That Jack Herer and SSH (Mr. Nice's) Have Similar Lineage...

Jack Herer (Sensi Seed)= Skunk #1 x Northern Lights #5 x Haze

Super Silver Haze (Mr. Nice)= [Northern Lights #5 x Neville’s Haze] X [Skunk #1 x Neville’s Haze]

I'm Not Sure Which Haze Sensi Used, or How They Where Crossed. Because I Seriously Doubt The Recipe Is 33% of Each Strain, I.E. 1/3 Skunk #1, 1/3 Northern Lights #5, 1/3 Haze. Like Mr. Nice, Only 2 Strains can be Crossed at a Time
Perhaps it is [Skunk #1 x Northern Lights #5] X [Northern Lights #5 x ? Haze]

But Who Knows?? I'm Not Sure How They Know Whats in Jack Herer, Because According to the Sensi Description: Like the "Coca Cola Recipe, this Sensi Variety will have to remain a Secret"
(Well, It Used to Say That...I Just Checked They Changed it For Some Reason

)
Well Anyway, They are Made From the Same 3 Strains

Back to C99, I Wonder What Causes (What Parental Strain Contains the Phenotype) the Ever So Elusive and Exclusive Black Pheno??


Source Found in a Pack From Mosca Negra's C99 BX

-Capt Dutch

Damn the black pheno looks sick ES. What's the smell and flavor like on her? She's gorgeous. Keep it sticky

nevil shanti crew used to own or co produce for sensi back in the day i do believe all these gentics are linked in some form or another is what some people dont get i love mr nice seed co got some mango haze dry'n right now a nl5 pheno not that shabby i do say my self lol

Awesome thread!

EmpireSeeds said:

I Wondered why a Breeder, Who received Males (Princess' Brothers) Would Use Shiva Skunk in the Mix

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My guess is that it was the most viable genetic at hand. Perhaps it was the most potent, most stable, most disease-resistant, etc.

Nice read ES and that black pheno OMFG what a killer looking plant

Funny Thing is I Completely Dismissed Cinderella 99 While Building my Seed Collection (Click on Vault in Sig)
The Thought of Pineapple or Grapefruit Herb Doesn't Appeal to Me

My Collection is Based on Seeds for Future Breeding Projects...Now I'm Really Regretting Not Picking Some Up...

After Reading about Bros Grimm Breeding Practices (They Used Several Different Males in Each Seed Harvest) I Feel I Would Need about 4-6 Original BG Packs to do a "Proper" Selection...Probably a Couple Hundred F2's...
I'm Surprised There Isn't a Real Popular Clone, like most Great Strains

-Capt Dutch

^ I have never been disappointed with any beans I got from brothers grimm.

ive only had moscra c-99 pure never had the chance with bros grim but had lots crosses good mention rez c-99 but geez she sure is a one off blow even the best choofer into the sofa i sure she never be far from me

yes had the original grimms and currently have Dutchgrowns and both rock

I grew out Mosca's C99 BX and currently have two strong keepers: one has an overt pineapple/guava smell and the other pure citrus heaven. One takes about 52 days to finish, the other about 70. Both are stellar smoke with the 52-day specimen being a bit milder: the 70-day one is rocket fuel.

I also have Dutch's C99 on reserve in the fridge as a just-in-case kinda thing. I may even purchase another pack

It's interesting to see how prolific C99 has become in breeding projects. Dutch's C99 male seems to be used in almost all of her crosses. I've noticed with her Witches Weed that the C99 presence is almost nil compared to the OG Kush/ChemD presence - must be why.

I will say this, though: I am actively avoiding C99 crosses in my recent purchases. I almost purchased Mikado99 but am worried I have wayyy too much C99 influence in my garden and reserve seeds. Perhaps I'm being alarmist, but I'm a bit concerned about the collective gene pool relying to heavily on C99 as a backbone. I feel the same about the recent explosion of OGK/Chem crosses. I love these plants, but man, they seem to be everywhere!

well c99 gave me the most resinous male ever for me .^^^^^^^^^