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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread
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yeah I wanted to make sure I got that in there.
Its a shame the world we live in that if you have any criticism of a place or people you are instantly regarded a racist and ALWAYS by people who have no 1st hand experience in it. In another thread here we were talking about jamacians and homophobia and I referred to many jamaicans being poorly educated, often shirtless, shoeless, extremely poor, etc. and people had the nerve to call me a racist, because thats not how the jamaicans they know in london are. Not even dawning on them that the jamaicans in london do not represent the masses of extreme poverty stricken locals that are the true backbone of the country. If they had enough money to end up in europe then 95% were not living how most jamaicans lived back in jamaica, much less europe. Problems need addressing, not ignoring, and it seems people are too PC nowadays to even bring up real issues.
Thats what I was talking about when I say I can't live in these suburbs. It seems most of them share these simple beliefs and are taken from tv, or music. Reggae music in this particular instance. Or Rap music and Menace to Society if they want to talk about cities.
The truth is Jamaican governemt pushes the poor out of sight of all the tourists, all the crippled and beggars. They view the poor as lower citizens. You gotta go walk around the cities and towns to see them. and they are everywhere, just not where you get off the cruise boat to the sex resort. And that pisses me off to no end. Thats one of the reasons I backed down on Brasil. They do the same thing, pushing all the poor to massive slums to keep the girls in thongs on the beaches all anyone remembers about Rio.
Its a shame the world we live in that if you have any criticism of a place or people you are instantly regarded a racist and ALWAYS by people who have no 1st hand experience in it. In another thread here we were talking about jamacians and homophobia and I referred to many jamaicans being poorly educated, often shirtless, shoeless, extremely poor, etc. and people had the nerve to call me a racist, because thats not how the jamaicans they know in london are. Not even dawning on them that the jamaicans in london do not represent the masses of extreme poverty stricken locals that are the true backbone of the country. If they had enough money to end up in europe then 95% were not living how most jamaicans lived back in jamaica, much less europe. Problems need addressing, not ignoring, and it seems people are too PC nowadays to even bring up real issues.
Thats what I was talking about when I say I can't live in these suburbs. It seems most of them share these simple beliefs and are taken from tv, or music. Reggae music in this particular instance. Or Rap music and Menace to Society if they want to talk about cities.
The truth is Jamaican governemt pushes the poor out of sight of all the tourists, all the crippled and beggars. They view the poor as lower citizens. You gotta go walk around the cities and towns to see them. and they are everywhere, just not where you get off the cruise boat to the sex resort. And that pisses me off to no end. Thats one of the reasons I backed down on Brasil. They do the same thing, pushing all the poor to massive slums to keep the girls in thongs on the beaches all anyone remembers about Rio.
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again, couldnt agree with ya more man.
ive been to Jamaica quite a few times, and well aware of what you speak of, its a damn shame
'tis like that no matter the island tho. i recall St. Maarten/St. Martin to be even worse.
and those folks get the brunt of the hurricanes and have nothing but misery after a storm.
homeless. its terrible. makes ya cherish what you have here in this country
and respect the folks struggling for one of the simplest of human neccesities-SHELTER.
most live in huts made from scrap metal and the like...
truly heartbreaking.i was relating to your post bigtime when u were describing the high differences on page one.
the trippyness from the caribbean strains, and it bein more prevalent in the more lime green/neon colored mexi's.
we have a highland oaxacan (supposedly,it was a hand-me-down) and its a bit different than Oaxacaspice's.
it may be the fact that we were growin it outdoor in the north for a while,
but it has not lost its psychedelic high.
after a 3+ month cure it is in the top 3 most trippy strains i have ever smoked. and ive been around a bit
closest thig to lsd type effects i have experienced in an herb!
just needs a lot of work to be suitable for growin nowadays.
we were growin it way back when before the internet etc
but now i have some things to try against it to improve taste, perfume, and flowertime.
everythin else (including frost/color/cosmetics) and resistance + strong stems, it already has.
and o yeah, did i mention the most far-out high ive ever experienced?
be good motaco
ejoyed chattin with ya. keep the kickass thread goin brotha 
yeah I've got an oaxacan collected in oaxaca in '67 from one of those passing through hippies. and OS's highland. and this one other mexican bagseed I have high hopes for.
check out these boards I make. I perserve the leaf with a single calyx. good for just remembering, identifying leaf pattern from region, decoration, etc. I got a thread up in flower pix on how to do it if you like. two on left molokai frost phenos, top middle oaxaca, bottom middle hawaiian sativa, top right vietnam black pheno willi nelson, bottom right nep pheno willi nelson f2's or 3's of course. You wanna find some wild herb don't be scared of making your own beans and weeding out through them for the exotics.
check out these boards I make. I perserve the leaf with a single calyx. good for just remembering, identifying leaf pattern from region, decoration, etc. I got a thread up in flower pix on how to do it if you like. two on left molokai frost phenos, top middle oaxaca, bottom middle hawaiian sativa, top right vietnam black pheno willi nelson, bottom right nep pheno willi nelson f2's or 3's of course. You wanna find some wild herb don't be scared of making your own beans and weeding out through them for the exotics.
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I always come back to my mexicans one oaxacan gold was a hand me down one oaxacan pelo rojo junglebud was picked up in the east oaxacan jungles near the chiapan border in 95 and the other is greenthumb's acapulco. None of the three to me are psychedeluc at all but what I'd consider the closest thing to green organic mdma. Maybe its my environment but I'll get those same waves of ecstatic happiness I used to get with mdma. I always come back to them because I cannot build a tolerance to them. I'm sure you know this but the thing to look for with a good mexican is the airiness. If its not a really airy bud its not pure.
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well that has more to do with elevation than purity.
the lowland or coastal varieties are the airy ones and tend to be the most physically potent. The highlands have tighter buds and are usually more psychedelic.
but that also depends what you meant by airy. If you meant airy as in opposed to dense nugs you are right yes, that is an imported plant. But many native varieties do grow tight together making broomsticks. but they aren't dense, they are just tight airy buds.
like this coastal oaxaca is totally open structure.
this highland oaxaca is still airy but the colas grow together, not away from the stem. but they are both pure.
the lowland or coastal varieties are the airy ones and tend to be the most physically potent. The highlands have tighter buds and are usually more psychedelic.
but that also depends what you meant by airy. If you meant airy as in opposed to dense nugs you are right yes, that is an imported plant. But many native varieties do grow tight together making broomsticks. but they aren't dense, they are just tight airy buds.
like this coastal oaxaca is totally open structure.
this highland oaxaca is still airy but the colas grow together, not away from the stem. but they are both pure.
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muddy waters
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motaco that top plant looks like it was light-starved to me. do you know under what conditions and where it was grown? was it shaded maybe? i've had flowers similar to that here, with plants that only got about 4 hours of direct sun.
just wondering. both of those look delicious though.
just wondering. both of those look delicious though.
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Just thought I'd show you some pure Santa Marta Columbian Gold I have going at the moment. This is the smallest of the 7 ladies I have and was just grown to make more Columbian seeds, the others werre vegged longer to make big sensi ladies.
I absolutely love this strain, its so easy to grow and extremely tough and hardy. Only two minor bad points are the lower yield and long flower time. This one has has 11 weeks, probably needs 2 more.
I kept a Columbian male and am in the process of making a bunch of crosses. This is a very stable, consistent strain, all the plants I've started from seed grew like clones, they were identical. I have not seen any phenos, they are all the same.
I absolutely love this strain, its so easy to grow and extremely tough and hardy. Only two minor bad points are the lower yield and long flower time. This one has has 11 weeks, probably needs 2 more.
I kept a Columbian male and am in the process of making a bunch of crosses. This is a very stable, consistent strain, all the plants I've started from seed grew like clones, they were identical. I have not seen any phenos, they are all the same.
muddy no those are the natural growth, no low light buds, its just how alot of sativas grow. that particular nug was right under a 600w cool tube. true hazes and alot of LR's do that. that particular bud came from a nug about the size of a 2ltr bottle. they just don't weigh anything because of how airy they are. Thats what I was saying about the highland and lowland difference. that plant has adapted to extreme heat and humidity of coastal areas of oaxaca. and that bud structure is the product of nature defeating mold and heat.
it was a pheno too. some of the other phenos were much more dense but were nowhere near as good as that one.
Nice colombian british hempire.
it was a pheno too. some of the other phenos were much more dense but were nowhere near as good as that one.
Nice colombian british hempire.
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Even my chimalapas oaxacan (highland) is quite airy. But its airy in a way that's more typical to the reminiscent of imported oaxacan herb seen for brief periods in the us where the buds are composed of small calyxes that sit a distance off of the stem. Its one of the traits the oaxacan sativas tend to have. Motaco I believe our different take on the high of a oaxacan differ because I solely grow mine outside. The effect of when I grew it inside was a bit more racy/speedy which didn't fit my tastes so I only grew it outside. Plus unlike yours mine aren't that resinous indors but only reach full potency outside and then they're marvelous.
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The Columbian is airy too, the Gold is a highland variety from the Santa Marta Mountains so will also need to be adapted to humid conditions.
Interestingly, this Columbian is not at all sensitive to temperatures, I had an exhaust fan failure a while back that sent temps in my veg box into the high 40's celsius for a few hours, that killed a load of plants like Herijuana, White Widow and Blueberry but the Columbians didn't even flinch, they looked green, healthy and happy, didn't even wilt.
At the other end of the scale, I have successfully grown Columbian Gold outdoors in the UK at 53N. It doesn't finish till early November and we have frost then, but the Columbian doesn't care at all, I had a pic of one last year with frost all over the buds and leaves but can't find it. I guess they must be adapted to large variations in temperature, the Santa Martas are pretty high mountains so I imagine the nighttime temps could easily drop to freezing. The Columbians have purple stems and petioles so they must contain a fair bit of anthycine pigment and the belief among many is that anthycine is plant anti-freeze which is why plants tend to turn purple when exposed to low temps, especially at night. The outdoor Columbian had light purple hues in the buds, if you starve an indoor Columbian of ferts, especially nitrogen for the last month before harvest they also show a little purpling.
Interestingly, this Columbian is not at all sensitive to temperatures, I had an exhaust fan failure a while back that sent temps in my veg box into the high 40's celsius for a few hours, that killed a load of plants like Herijuana, White Widow and Blueberry but the Columbians didn't even flinch, they looked green, healthy and happy, didn't even wilt.
At the other end of the scale, I have successfully grown Columbian Gold outdoors in the UK at 53N. It doesn't finish till early November and we have frost then, but the Columbian doesn't care at all, I had a pic of one last year with frost all over the buds and leaves but can't find it. I guess they must be adapted to large variations in temperature, the Santa Martas are pretty high mountains so I imagine the nighttime temps could easily drop to freezing. The Columbians have purple stems and petioles so they must contain a fair bit of anthycine pigment and the belief among many is that anthycine is plant anti-freeze which is why plants tend to turn purple when exposed to low temps, especially at night. The outdoor Columbian had light purple hues in the buds, if you starve an indoor Columbian of ferts, especially nitrogen for the last month before harvest they also show a little purpling.
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im sure i can toss a few pix up here of some sativas i have come across in my time .. theres been a few ....
i grew that one a few years back ,, some seeds given to me as panama red ...
not sure what the variety actually was , but it was certainly a pure sativa given its habits and had a beautiful lemony smell about it ,, oh and some quite large buddage too ...
i grew that one a few years back ,, some seeds given to me as panama red ...
not sure what the variety actually was , but it was certainly a pure sativa given its habits and had a beautiful lemony smell about it ,, oh and some quite large buddage too ...
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heres some pix from jamaica ..
we were there during their winter crop , so the plants are small and stunted ... but still producing some nice buds ...
i honestly didnt think a whole lot of the jamaican herb ,, but where im from we smoke a lot of sativa , it reminded me a lot of the earlier days of herb in australia ...
the jamaican herb did however make some lovely hashish ....
we were there during their winter crop , so the plants are small and stunted ... but still producing some nice buds ...
i honestly didnt think a whole lot of the jamaican herb ,, but where im from we smoke a lot of sativa , it reminded me a lot of the earlier days of herb in australia ...
the jamaican herb did however make some lovely hashish ....
Zam yeah thats really odd you say that
when I grew them outdoors I had much racier highs from them than when I did them indoors, but the buds stayed about the same.
I'm a notorious late harvester though and I probably got to keep my indoors oaxaca alot longer and harvested the outdoors earlier due to weather restrictions, but I really don't remember anymore.
Its also really plant dependant. There are alot of plants that don't do well outdoor, alot of plants that don't do well indoor, and some that do fine either. Just depends on random genes I suppose. I couldn't really tell you why LR sativas from relatively the same region will vary how well they come out on indoor product. But they certainly do there is no debating that.
Wally those are some nice plants. Yeah it takes some real doing to find the good jamaican. So many of them are illiterate or just cash croppers growing random seeds. But I assure you they have some jamaicans that will stop you in your tracks. I assume its not too much different than mexico. Lord knows they have some SHITTY mexican plants. But they have some that will literally make you hallucinate too.
BRITISH HEMPIRE I know exactly what you mean. that coastal oaxaca I posted will not flinch. It was growing taller than some other plants that were being burned by the light and it wasn't flinching. same thing from general (not light induced) heat. And that bud structure WILL NOT mold. I always say you could flower it in a glass of warm water.
and thats what we end up needing out here. I mess with alot of jamaicans, mexicans, and hawaiians because they got to handle and thrive in our coon ass swamp heat/humidity. IMHO its not heat that is bad for plants. Plants that are adapted to it are as potent as weed from anywhere else in the world. its just that no breeders set up shop in swamps to make seeds for the southern growers.
peace from the swamps.
(first humboldt import of the season, some bubblegummy indica)
when I grew them outdoors I had much racier highs from them than when I did them indoors, but the buds stayed about the same.
I'm a notorious late harvester though and I probably got to keep my indoors oaxaca alot longer and harvested the outdoors earlier due to weather restrictions, but I really don't remember anymore.
Its also really plant dependant. There are alot of plants that don't do well outdoor, alot of plants that don't do well indoor, and some that do fine either. Just depends on random genes I suppose. I couldn't really tell you why LR sativas from relatively the same region will vary how well they come out on indoor product. But they certainly do there is no debating that.
Wally those are some nice plants. Yeah it takes some real doing to find the good jamaican. So many of them are illiterate or just cash croppers growing random seeds. But I assure you they have some jamaicans that will stop you in your tracks. I assume its not too much different than mexico. Lord knows they have some SHITTY mexican plants. But they have some that will literally make you hallucinate too.
BRITISH HEMPIRE I know exactly what you mean. that coastal oaxaca I posted will not flinch. It was growing taller than some other plants that were being burned by the light and it wasn't flinching. same thing from general (not light induced) heat. And that bud structure WILL NOT mold. I always say you could flower it in a glass of warm water.
and thats what we end up needing out here. I mess with alot of jamaicans, mexicans, and hawaiians because they got to handle and thrive in our coon ass swamp heat/humidity. IMHO its not heat that is bad for plants. Plants that are adapted to it are as potent as weed from anywhere else in the world. its just that no breeders set up shop in swamps to make seeds for the southern growers.
peace from the swamps.
(first humboldt import of the season, some bubblegummy indica)
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nice swamps it reminds me of my home-towns landscapes sweden is full of swamps
peace
it reminds me of my home-towns landscapes sweden is full of swamps peace
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