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caterpillar710 · Oct 8, 2016

Well again that data is from work done on cherry orchards but as you said it's possible to apply similar concepts across multiple crops.

Cannabis is an annual and can make 1,000 cu ft of biomass in a season from April to October. We have no idea how much this thing can eat and I'm seeing more it's about balance of certain elements than just a single one. Try getting your silica up past 75ppm. That's where magic starts

plantingplants · Oct 8, 2016

Hey cat, in tess' thread you said healthy plants don't mold just from rain, which makes a lot of sense to me and as simple as it sounds, it's kind of a revelation. It's frustrating to see my flowers not fully ready but beginning to mold from one short rain. Is there anything else about this or is that pretty much it-- keep them healthy? I imagine having enough copper Is important.

slownickel · Oct 8, 2016

Cater,

Is that a foliar level of Si? Are you doing leaf analysis and if so, it includes Si?

slownickel · Oct 8, 2016

caterpillar710 said:
Well again that data is from work done on cherry orchards but as you said it's possible to apply similar concepts across multiple crops.

Cannabis is an annual and can make 1,000 cu ft of biomass in a season from April to October. We have no idea how much this thing can eat and I'm seeing more it's about balance of certain elements than just a single one. Try getting your silica up past 75ppm. That's where magic starts

Cater,

Cherries are perennials, not annuals. So where did that 20% Ca short at 10 days past half way come from?

I too see that this thing has huge consumption capacity once it is well established.

Agreed, balance. The question is what balance and for what soil/mix, etc..

caterpillar710 · Oct 8, 2016

It just has to do with getting correctly formed cells the first time you can't u make and remake cells if you have too much no3 and k you'll never have good tissue

caterpillar710 · Oct 8, 2016

slownickel said:
Cater,

Cherries are perennials, not annuals. So where did that 20% Ca short at 10 days past half way come from?

I too see that this thing has huge consumption capacity once it is well established.

Agreed, balance. The question is what balance and for what soil/mix, etc..

Just look it up on Nova they have a database you can seafxh

jidoka · Oct 8, 2016

Ca, Si, B for the win. My biggest plant has 60% Ca, 90 ppm Si and i sprayed a bunch of B

slownickel · Oct 9, 2016

jidoka said:
Ca, Si, B for the win. My biggest plant has 60% Ca, 90 ppm Si and i sprayed a bunch of B

60% Ca using M3?

caterpillar710 · Oct 9, 2016

Consumption starts at germination. No Ca directly touching tap root how will you get enough in after that?

You can't get Ca up in the plant without Si

caterpillar710 · Oct 9, 2016

slownickel said:
Cater,

Is that a foliar level of Si? Are you doing leaf analysis and if so, it includes Si?

I wish we could get nova to take some weed or come up with an extra million in revolving cash flow to license the tech

Sideways · Oct 9, 2016

plantingplants said:
Hey cat, in tess' thread you said healthy plants don't mold just from rain, which makes a lot of sense to me and as simple as it sounds, it's kind of a revelation. It's frustrating to see my flowers not fully ready but beginning to mold from one short rain. Is there anything else about this or is that pretty much it-- keep them healthy? I imagine having enough copper Is important.

In my experience, most plants get mold from caterpillar/ bug damage. They eat and shit in the buds and mold occurs. Check your buds frequently for caterpillar signs- specific areas of dead rot, black pellets (cater shit).
Mold may be more present in wetter, more humid climates, but I think the resin makes them resilient to rain. Spinosad and BT work to control them but there will always be damage that occurs. We have cut our losses from around 25% to around 5-10% for the little buggers. I've started a couple of threads over the years and you can look them up if you think this has been your issue.
My question is: Has anyone (at least in CA) been able to keep them out. Completely? I've often thought of draping some mosquito netting over the plants at night, at least around full moons as it's said that that's when the moths lay their eggs. I have not been able to find any literature this would work.

caterpillar710 · Oct 9, 2016

Absolutely zero bugs mildew mood etc at summer camp

jidoka · Oct 9, 2016

slownickel said:
60% Ca using M3?

Yea. Logan...not a calcareous soil

Sidebranch...the tops are stupid

slownickel · Oct 9, 2016

jidoka said:
Yea. Logan...not a calcareous soil

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Sidebranch...the tops are stupid

They are amazing.

Let's do this.

You send a sample to Spectrum and I will pay for it.

caterpillar710 · Oct 9, 2016

jidoka · Oct 9, 2016

slownickel said:
They are amazing.

Let's do this.

You send a sample to Spectrum and I will pay for it.

Does spectrum do silica?

slownickel · Oct 9, 2016

Never inquired. I will ask.

Avenger · Oct 9, 2016

ask what test procedure they use too, please.

jidoka · Oct 9, 2016

If they dont do si i dont see the point...it is si, b first and then ca. Hugh Lovels theory

slownickel · Oct 9, 2016

Avenger said:
ask what test procedure they use too, please.

What procedure are you all working with, the procedure at Logan I imagine? It is not listed on Logans page.

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