Papua New Guinea Gold?

hello all

thanks again for sharing your pictires of MM/ PNG /THAI also experiences and info on these rare strains which there is not many reports/pics/info available of these strains


donald mallard described his indo PNG
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very resiny fruity herb

and outdoor
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It had a smell like adhesive


bushweed

Naturally one of the Mullum Madness lines had a large dash of PNG Gold in it

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i dont really follow this quote ,IMO if a hybrid is created there is only one select line that can hold that title ,im sure the MM was worked late down the line as many legends are ,but i dont understand wat you mean by one of the MM lines ,as shanti stated he worked on the line which was lumbo Xthai

The best I encountered around there in the late eighties was chocolate brown and purple schwaag that looked like it had been cured under a log. No clear energetic Old Mother Sativa high - knock your arse down with one harsh drag, Blackfella Deities and Clever-men dancing in the silhouettes, Taipans whispering your name from the corners.

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this above quote is perfect sounds magical a definte gem,id lov to hear the taste/aromas of this specific crop ,its great to hear about some of these sky high but knockout sativas ,such as the reported asian fantasy

The other stuff we had could have passed for Mango Haze. Gold colored connoisseur buds with fruity floral incense smell/taste

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intriguing sounds delicious

which exactly is this other stuff you refer too,PNG/MM ?another crop of PNG

Shanti would know if the MM had PNG init?

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agreed

id lov to hear more info/thoughts/history from shanti on this line but for som reason he hasnt posted much and ive asked questions

thanks to all for contributing info on these aussie gems


1luvbigherb

bushweed Quote:
"Naturally one of the Mullum Madness lines had a large dash of PNG Gold in it."

bigherb Quote: "i dont really follow this quote ,IMO if a hybrid is created there is only one select line that can hold that title ,im sure the MM was worked late down the line as many legends are ,but i dont understand wat you mean by one of the MM lines ,as shanti stated he worked on the line which was lumbo Xthai"

Yeah bigherb, I know what you're saying, but just like the so called Haze - the MM developed and changed thru the years and of course many imitations to confuse the histories. I know of at least three distinct MM lines of lore:

1. Early 70s strain
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=83417&page=2

posted by Raco:

here the author mentions Thai origins

2. Mullum Madman's strain

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ss&cd=18&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a

".... as an OVERGROW veteran, I witnessed the one called Mullum Madman (one of the family members of the supposed originators of the strain) do several grows of these monstrous sativas that he called...Mullumbimby Madness... in the Nimbin region... anyhow.. for a while, the good man made some seeds and made them available through Seeds Direct.. this was great... untill a bunch of kids tried to grow these tropical landrace (pretty much.. IBL at least) sativas in their superheated closets with their little crap lights and whatnot.. well, thats just not agreeable to a strain that has been bred for 30 years outside in the tropics as a plant that just gets sooo monstrous that its hard to control in an open friggin field. They had hermies, poor potency, and poor yeild on a long ass flower time.. they got upset.. Mullum Madman was run out of the game and havent seen him since,.

According to him and his circle, a good component of the Mullumbimby Madness was Papua New Guinea Gold and some other sativas from the pacific rim.. apparently this genepool contributed greatly to the nimbin area, cause alot of the old school sativas grown around there are (supposedly) some version of the original Madness, just showing what the different growers have chosen in ther selections...

A review of Mullum Madman's MM by Delta9 in strainbase viewer states:

http://cannagenetic.phpwebhosting.com/cgi-bin/showstrain.pl?StrainChoice=mullimbimbymadness

"I've heard many conflicting reports as to what actually is the parent makeup 4 the Mullimbimby. I know 4 sure that there is Thai, Colombian, Mexican, Hawaiian, New Guinean, Indian and Lebanese. In the late sixties and early seventies many a hippy and surfer traveled to those wonderful areas bringing back with them a bit of personal stash. From what I gather after talking to a few of the older guys is that it took them quite awhile to get the finished product.

They kept adding strains after guys came back and grew out their seeds. When they had a plant that was near perfect they stopped and started to let it pollinate itself over many years. It's very Sativa apart from the Lebanese but I think 4 the wait it is well worth it."


3. Old Mother Sativa from Kog and 20"Thai

20’Thai:

"You're about to grow an old sativa crossing that came to Ozz from Thailand in the form of stick(buddah) in the late 50's. She was passed onto me in the mid 70's by me departed Uncle, though I had seen him grow here many times since I was young. This a strain Mark that can yield massive outdoors, and is the most IndoorFriendly Sat I know. IT stretches stuff all. Indoors she can finish anywhere from 90-110 days and it produces some one of the most focused stones around. Focused yet strong and very soaring but not debilitating. Has NO ceiling. The more you smoke, the more stoned you get. If you gave the smoke to soemone who was a choofer in the 60'and 70's in the States, it'll vividly remind them of the old days mate. No one refuses this smoke, and everyone who tries it will tell you it is one of the finest smokes around. When grown out, it has an incredibly long shelf-life. A year later she smokes better than when she is fresh - like the Nam and many other near pure sativas.

The strain spread to every corner of ozz as in those days we only had sats and satDom. The sticks it came in at the time went everywhere also. You could by the for years in any part of Ozz. Sometimes Sins, sometimes seeded. When seeded only 1-5% of the seeds weren't crushed. We had hardly any indicas apart from a few IBLs, and they were as rare as hens teeth anyway. I have a mate who's known KOG since he was a boy and I had passed it onto him 2 decades ago. KOG loved her so much he devoted himself as keeper of the strain. So as long s KOG lives, she'll be around - and he doesn't look like he's about to leave us in a great hurry anyway - fit as a fiddle and living the clean life just outside of Nimbin in Kyogle.

The name Mullum, MullumbimbyMadness, OldMotherSativa is ALL the same strain under differing names....

BTW, the stretch factor of the Mullums are no more than 3 to 1, and is often 2 to 1, especially the shorter pheno which is ideal for indoor SOG grows when left unclipped.

So the Mullum is NOT a strain that was developed here as many erronously thought till recent times. That is how she came directly from Thailand mate.
BTW - Mullums are much more potent than the DALAT. They'll equal or better Shanti's NevillesHaze in potency and in quality of stone. Shanti asked me to send him some 2 years before he was busted and was about to start them when he did. He knows the strain from when he lived here way back in the 70's but couldn't get his hands on it by the time he left as he was from the state of WA where it was harder to find. He just told me that within the next year he'll do them to to produce seeds and then he'll do a much bigger grow of them if he's pleased with them initially to select an outstanding mum for crossing to make a new breed, or to include in an existing updated one - depending on how they pan out for him. But with these things Mark, one cannot be sure till they try them. In that I mean that he may give them a go and a half, and at the end he may not be happy with them for a range of reasons. REal breeders like him are festidious mate. But I feel he will find something thast he likes - I'd be suprised if he doesn't. When you grow them, you'll see why.

20'Thai Old mother Sat

20’Thai sometime later:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=61961&page=5

"These are now plagued with hermi rpoblems and need someone who is capable of breeding it out of them. Believe it or not, these are the very LAST batch of the true Mullums left anywhere that I am aware of. The original 'keeper' of this strain KOG from Kyogle NSW has long discontinued using and selling them because he was unable to rid them of their hermi traits.

I do not know of any other PURE IBL sativa that is as indoor friendly as the real Mullum. It’s has the ability of a near ZERO stretch factor in flowering. In fact, most of the newAge Indica hybrids will stretch more than a Mullum in preflower and flower. The trick to eliminating nearly all its stretch is to crop the mainstem once during veg and have it branch out heavily before 12/12’ing. It is then that we experience a few inches of stretching even in a 4-5foot tall vegged plant. So the old age fear of the plant outgrowing your room is non-existent with OMS/Mullum.

Even in the ground outdoors with everything they need as far as water and feed are concerned, they will rarely exceed a height of 10foot tall. I have had a couple of freaks over the last 2 decades that went 12foot uncropped, but that is a rare event for OMS. Their awesomeness is in their branching; it branches like MAD. Hence Mullumbinby MADness - the name itself.

Most will tell you it has 2 phenos, but I know it has 3, and the third is rarer than any other pheno of any other strain that I have ever come across. Of the hundreds of Mullums I have seen and grown myself, and of the thousands that KOG has grown over 25years to full inground maturity, and of the many many other OMS’s that other people ‘I and KOG’ know who have grown it all over central and northern Ozz in the last 30years, it has only appeared 3 times. The last time being over 15 years ago. It is the SUPER rare all Purple pheno of the Mullum, and it is purple almost from day1. If anyone can get one of these pheno’s, I would advise they firstly mother it for future breeding as it has it own aroma that differs to the other phenos and is more potent than the other phenos. Then they should immediately go out an buy a lottery ticket that has huge dividends, ‘cause chances are they’ll win it too if they were lucky enough to find the true purple pheno of Old Mother.

Pheno No1.
Large stature heavy branching and hi yielding

Pheno No2.
SOG pheno. Collimated growth pattern with very little side branching and height. Potency is identical to the 1st pheno.

Pheno No3.
All purple, and it is not a dark purple. It is a violet-y to medium purple (MARONE) that makes the plant look spectacular with slivers of lime green coming in ‘here and there’. It has NEVER been found in a SOG pheno plant, only with the large heavy branching stature has it ever appeared. This pheno in full bloom is basically a showpiece of a sativa. The stone does it no injustice either. Very cerebral with a spectacular initial soaring that can take you upwards for over an hour before settling into another 2-3 hours of focused bliss.

As to the level of potency compared to other sativas? It has been said by many who have tried ‘it’, and Shanti’s Neville’s Haze, including MullumMadman himself at OG years ago, that they are on par in potency with the exception that OMS’s stone is more focused. IOW, of a higher caliber/quality… less narcotic less debilitating but just as zoomy/soaring without any edge on the nerves…smooth as silk.

It is without a doubt, one of the better sativas this world has had, but it is time to stabilize her back to her original glory or she will be lost forever if left alone.

She is ‘the’ original White strain. She produces lush white resin-ed lambsbread long running buds that are not too thick, but there are a lot of them. You know when she is ready, because when you look at her, you know that you can throw away your manicure/pruning scissors. ALL primary and secondary fan leafs fall off naturally just before she’s ready to take. Leaving one with just plain bud laden branches that with other sativas would take a long time to trim to that level because of the remaining secondary fan leafs that are just about everywhere on an in the buds.

4. Kangativa

- Both 20'Thais OMS and Mullum Madman's MM have well documented hermie problems, Kanga has grown MM for 30 years and never once encountered hermie problems.

- Kangativa saw 20'Thais OMS/MM picture shown above and said that the Mullum Madness he collected from Mullumbimby in the late 70s /early 80s, bares no structural resemblance to the OMS. (note: Kyogle where Kog lives, is at least 2 hours drive from Mullumbimby) Kanga said he has never seen the horizontal branching as evident in the OMS, but his MM is remarkable for the way its branches shoot for the heavens.

- OMS flowers between 90-110 days, Kangativa's MM flowers between 130-160 days.

Kangativa's MM reaches beyond 20 feet (documentation forthcoming.)

If you look closely at Kangativa's May photo of the month winning shot, you can observe that he is actually standing behind what may appear to be the largest tree - a 15 foot Indo/Thai, but is in fact gazing up at the highest tops of MM tree that is behind and is even taller at 18 foot?





Kangativa has smoked a batch of what was purportedly from the Hunter Vally landrace crop and remarked upon the similarity of that and his MM - potently psychedelic beyond other existing Australian sativa varieties. Others have also mentioned the two strains in the same breath.

5. Shanti has commented on his experience growing MM and stated that it was comprised of various Sat landraces:

"I was working in Australia on varieties like Mullumbimby Madness and Thai and Columbia strains of sativas, as well as a lot of original Afghan stock."

This statement does not explicitly state the presence of Thai and Colombian in Mullumbimby Madness. However some have interpreted this, most notably British Hempire and Tom Hill, as confirming their suspicions about an alternative origin for Neville and Shanti's much vaunted Haze hybrids.

Sam the Skunkman evidently does not share this view.

Shanti has stated that he never encountered hermie problems with the MM line he worked on, so there must be some other reason why he has not put this strain on the market Although a report from a Canadian journalist at an early 90s HTs Cannabis Cup states:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc08/smokefest/cannabiscup.html

"The Green House told me they supply this bud to Dutch chemotherapy patients. Their house breeder also told me that he used an Australian strain (Mulanimbee Madness) to develop the White Family. He claims the Madness is the most potent pot he's seen on this planet."

20'Thai states above that Shanti had ordered seeds of his OMS strain. But it has been suggested that 20'Thai's statements need to be taken with a grain of salt.


So in summary
- OMS was said by 20'Thai to come from late 50s Thai stick
- In the Overgrow post from Raco the author states the early 70s variety came from 72' Thai stick
- both reported purple phenos
- the early 70s variety grew to 23 feet, while OMS only grew occasionally to 12 feet with little stretch
- Mullum Madman's MM grew to 20 feet, but was a mix of hybrids including Thai, Colombian, Mexican, Hawaiian, New Guinean, Indian and Lebanese.
- Little is known of Shanti's MM other than that it was a hybrid of various sativas on par with Neville's Haze
- Shanti's MM had no hermie problems
- Both OMS and Mullum Madman's MM had hermie probs, no reports from the early seventies variety exist
- Kangativa's MM grows to 20 feet with no hermies, no report of true purple coloured phenos
- Kangativa thinks his plants are indistinguishable from the Hunter Valley landrace varietal - origin possibly Indian
- OMS sounds distinct from all of these, a smaller plant with a significantly shorter flowering period

To confuse matters further here is a MM strain lineage from the BongGirl website:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ss&cd=65&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a

"Mullumbimby Madness = traditional South-Asian and landrace Australian (Nth NSW in Aus) sativa mix from “Old Mother”: Thai (50%, female) x Colombian Sativa (25%, male) x Bangladesh Sativa (25%, male)"

My own psychedelic experience with MM described before was grown by some hard local lads who grew large commercial crops and never elaborated on the history of their MM genes.

The Mango Haze-like MM I scored around the same era came from Main Arm (about 10 miles from Mullum, where Shantis crew hailed). This stuff sold for up to $500 an oz. to tourists in nearby Byron Bay - in the late 80s. It wasn't psychedelic, but blissful and uplifting with a superior nose, much like what I've experienced with modern Haze hybrids like SSH and MH in Dutch coffee shops.

Apologies for the long post and various ruminations. As you can see from all this information, it is very difficult to isolate a concise lineage of this strain. I will endeavour to post a smoke report of Kanga's MM once it's finish curing. If as he states, it is significantly stronger than his Oaxacan Space shuttle ...https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3662481&postcount=5352 ...I may be in no condition to file a report on anything.

bushweed


thanks you very much for those indepth detailed reports,thats som compilation ,i wish this was presented an mns ,id really lov to hear shanti's opinon on all of this


its very true that the haze an MM share similar stories seems as MM might hav more stories,but wat really kills me just as the true original haze reports are counted on one hand especially reguarding taste/aromas ,soo does the Mullumbimby Madness ,all that info you just posted wit comments on effects but NO taste/aromas even about the SUPER RARE pheno (it has it own aroma that differs to the other phenos and is more potent than the other phenos) LMAO but not really it kills me just as the lack of report on haze bros haze

below is another quote from shanti

well I am also originally from down under and cut my teeth with Mullumbimby madness...one version from my crew in Main Arm...we worked on it for years spending the joy from late 70s to mid 80s...so I am familiar with and do have seed stock of it. I would compare it to Nevils Haze if I was asked to do so...

Any photos? Also we do not get it going hermie ever so that must have been unselected seed or selfing problems. However there are a few version of the same name. I believe Wally Duck has some good versions still and is a good bloke...

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bushweed quote

This statement does not explicitly state the presence of Thai and Colombian in Mullumbimby Madness. However some have interpreted this, most notably British Hempire and Tom Hill, as confirming their suspicions about an alternative origin for Neville and Shanti's much vaunted Haze hybrids

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i believe becaz of the lack of info he's presented wit the comparison of NH n reported LUMBOxTHAI lineage of NH and statement of strains he was working on has lead many to these assumptions.though it seems agreed it the majority of reports thai was part of the lineage


as for 20thai i dont kno much about him except after i read his post you linked from sensi hash marijuana hemp museum i stated to you id disreguard much of wat he has to say then unc commented

unc L33t stated in goldmadness thread at mns in short ,20'thai claim that his grandfather was involved of MM creation and tried to talk down nev/shanti n basically he is a BS'er

so wit 20'thai comment on shanti askin for MM seed stock /he couldnt get his hands on the stock/hermies in the line ,which in the above quote from shanti he clearly stated NEVER did they hermie ,its all hard to believe considering while doin research of the line ive read shanti had made a few crosses one if recall a MM/WW bbut hav neva seen any proof of this

your smoke report is highly awaited in your best detail LOL

please dont apologize i for one am most thankful for the insight ,maybe somone can invite shanti to comment its been long enough and has been hot topic for a bit ,as for the old sayin goes (the info would be best presented from somone who was there )


1luvbigherb

Hey bigherb thanks for finding this quote from Shanti stating no hermies. I hope you don't mind, I edited my above post to reflect this info. Also interesting what Shanti says about Wally Duck having this strain, because Donald Mallard, who is close to Wally has stated at MNS that, "Im afraid im not very familiar with the mullumbimby madness , i have friends that have grown it and smoked it , but i missed that one im afraid ... "

It's a funny old world - the world of ganja lore - people seem to know more about what Alexander the Great ate for breakfast 2 thousand years back, than who bred what strains 20-30 years ago. Some old hippies at Nimbin would know the score on the MM and may even be friendly enough to share the info, but I rather dislike going there. There's some really friendly people there who can hook you up nicely, but there's also alot of young roughs thinking they're bigshots in the nightclub district of Sydney, not dickheads in a small town in the rainforest...

I recently visited Kyogle to meet a friend, when who should I see sitting in front of the Post Office - none other than Kog!

Back to the PNG Gold, i really think that this gear is probably on par with the best ever hybrid, just like any other landrace from an elevated hot climate a la Thai stick, Colombian Gold, Malawi Gold or Oaxacan Gold. Not saying I wouldn't mind giving Hempy's or Cocktail Franks Mango Haze cuts a go

Zoidfuel by Moonunit from Wizards of Oz (vendors forum found on this site) contains PNG Gold and is highly regarded by those who grow her...

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This is a great thread I CANNOT wait to sprout my PNG and Neville's Haze x Mullimbimby Madness seeds.

Ive been intouch with a guy studying png cannabis for a while now ..
I asked him about the history , ie when did it get th ere and how ..

He said initially he thought it was during ww2 , but later discovered the germans grew hemp there in the very early 1900s .. Escapees could have easily given rise to a wild cannabis population ...

Apparently they grow seedless erbs ,, or attempt to ,,
however small wild populations pollenate the cultivated erb ,
it seems no real breeding happens other than a natural pollenation from wild populations ove the culitivated ones ,,
my friend said tests done on the culitivated cannabis showed very high thc (up to 13%) and low cbd ,,
however the wild populations were lower in thc and higher in cbd ...

I believe he will publish his study soon , im just waiting for a draft to read through ..
A friend of mine has recently moved there aswell ,, giving me better access , ill get over there before long ...

Donald Mallard said:

Ive been intouch with a guy studying png cannabis for a while now ..
I asked him about the history , ie when did it get th ere and how ..

He said initially he thought it was during ww2 , but later discovered the germans grew hemp there in the very early 1900s .. Escapees could have easily given rise to a wild cannabis population ...

Apparently they grow seedless erbs ,, or attempt to ,,
however small wild populations pollenate the cultivated erb ,
it seems no real breeding happens other than a natural pollenation from wild populations ove the culitivated ones ,,
my friend said tests done on the culitivated cannabis showed very high thc (up to 13%) and low cbd ,,
however the wild populations were lower in thc and higher in cbd ...

I believe he will publish his study soon , im just waiting for a draft to read through ..
A friend of mine has recently moved there aswell ,, giving me better access , ill get over there before long ...

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Awesome, can't wait for this to develop.