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Ruderalis
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humboldtlocal
I grew the Ruderalis Indica from Serious Seeds about 10 years ago. The plants only got about 2 feet tall and then I got CAMPed before I got to harvest them.
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humboldtlocal
Sorry, I meant Sensi Seeds.
frostymantin
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There's LOADS of complete nonsense written on these 2 pages, Ideas about Ruderalis that have nothing to do with the botany of it that i have been told about... Ruderals arent hedge weeds, no hedge weeds flower after 2 weeks of growth!!!! and then grow 1 meter 50 tall!!! that's total nonsense!
Ruderalis is a cold climate cannabis landrace, that has weak thc and has been known since the 70's it grows in Khazakstan and other countries.
it can't have been produced by early indicas. it grows wild in russia. russians dont do cupboard cultivation breeding programs in the 70's and 80's but they are the ones that made the name ruderalis.
Another thing... any plant crossed with ruderalis doesnt flower earlier, say ofter 8 nodes or so, but 100 percent of crosses are photoperiod phenotype, and then if you cross those, 25 percent of the offspring are autoflowers and 75 recessive.
the reason why we didnt get them until 2006, big hybrids that flower after 2 weeks, is simply because no one made repeated selections over 5-6 generations, to get big genes and auto genes combined.
before 2006, no one too an ruderalis, and then stabilised the 25 percent hybrid that was auto also, and did it again, until they had a big plant. they didnt realise it was a dominant recessive mendeleian heredity, so you can put auto genes into any variety with 2 generations.
Ruderalis is a cold climate cannabis landrace, that has weak thc and has been known since the 70's it grows in Khazakstan and other countries.
it can't have been produced by early indicas. it grows wild in russia. russians dont do cupboard cultivation breeding programs in the 70's and 80's but they are the ones that made the name ruderalis.
Another thing... any plant crossed with ruderalis doesnt flower earlier, say ofter 8 nodes or so, but 100 percent of crosses are photoperiod phenotype, and then if you cross those, 25 percent of the offspring are autoflowers and 75 recessive.
the reason why we didnt get them until 2006, big hybrids that flower after 2 weeks, is simply because no one made repeated selections over 5-6 generations, to get big genes and auto genes combined.
before 2006, no one too an ruderalis, and then stabilised the 25 percent hybrid that was auto also, and did it again, until they had a big plant. they didnt realise it was a dominant recessive mendeleian heredity, so you can put auto genes into any variety with 2 generations.
frostymantin
New member
ruderalis flowers after 2 3 nodes. if someone has an autoflowering straing that grows 1 meter tall that came from a hedgside, well they never posted a report of growing it on any forum ever, because photoperiod was a rule that was a golden rule that was never broken in any official grow room reports ever, early pearl perhaps flowered after 9 nodes, but on one ever made it autoflower in 18 6 conditions... only when ruderalis was hybridized, did we get anything autoflowering in grow rooms.
No offense kids, but scrolling through this thread feels a lot like dumpster diving. Lots of trash with a few jems. All wild cannabis is not rudi, but rudi is a wild cannabis. It's a tiny plant, all those big ones you guys posted aren't rudi. It autoflowers, if it doesn't it's not rudi and early photoperiod plants do not an auto make. Not all autoflowering genetics come from rudi, some come from equatorial strains and some were worked out by obsessive people from unknown sources (bless their obsessed hearts)
Honestly I wouldn't try starting from zero with rudi, you have a VERY long road ahead of you if you want to make a good auto. Years and years. Why not pick out the traits you want in your own auto, find some plants with those traits and work it out? Failing that you could try and hunt down an auto with a pedigree similar to any photo you want to cross it to so as to shorten the trip.
Best of luck on your search and breeding, making one's own plants is a blast!
Honestly I wouldn't try starting from zero with rudi, you have a VERY long road ahead of you if you want to make a good auto. Years and years. Why not pick out the traits you want in your own auto, find some plants with those traits and work it out? Failing that you could try and hunt down an auto with a pedigree similar to any photo you want to cross it to so as to shorten the trip.
Best of luck on your search and breeding, making one's own plants is a blast!
I_Love_Seed
Member
Let me get this clear, all autoflowering strains have a percentage of Ruderalis, it's the only cannabis species in the world that flowers according to a time during it's life cycle and not the photo period. You can not have an automatic strain save it has Rudy in it's makeup.
It is ironic that Cannabis Ruderalis was ignored for so long. Dutch Passion now invest heavily in research and development of Cannabis Ruderalis as it has allowed an exciting new branch of cannabis genetics to open up. Auto strains are easy to grow, easy to keep hidden in your garden and have excellent potency. People that only ever grew indoor cannabis strains now plant a pack of Auto seeds every year. Growing them couldn't be any easier!
These guys are actively engaged in using Ruderalis to breed new strains; they're not using current strains to stay on the cutting edge. This is from Wikipedia - Some photo period/short-day cannabis strains are heterogeneous - containing the recessive day-neutral or autoflowering genetics along with the dominant short-day genetics. However a proper list of such strains is not yet available so most breeders treat all short-day plants as homozygous dominant. This is likely a trade secret, and the list or the genetics will remain this way because it keeps prices high and the big breeders making millions!
Lowrider #1 is likely the closest you'll ever get to having a Ruderalis to use as breeding stock for creating your own automatic strain, but I can't find one pack, their all gone because too many pollen chuckers were catching on. Some seed banks are likely sharing their proven autoflowering Ruderalis genetics, but the layman can not buy them for any price. If you must have the best Ruderalis, Siberia is your best best. Be sure to gather from as many plants as possible, because there will be that special one out of a 1000 that will cross and back cross for a perfect strain.
It is ironic that Cannabis Ruderalis was ignored for so long. Dutch Passion now invest heavily in research and development of Cannabis Ruderalis as it has allowed an exciting new branch of cannabis genetics to open up. Auto strains are easy to grow, easy to keep hidden in your garden and have excellent potency. People that only ever grew indoor cannabis strains now plant a pack of Auto seeds every year. Growing them couldn't be any easier!
These guys are actively engaged in using Ruderalis to breed new strains; they're not using current strains to stay on the cutting edge. This is from Wikipedia - Some photo period/short-day cannabis strains are heterogeneous - containing the recessive day-neutral or autoflowering genetics along with the dominant short-day genetics. However a proper list of such strains is not yet available so most breeders treat all short-day plants as homozygous dominant. This is likely a trade secret, and the list or the genetics will remain this way because it keeps prices high and the big breeders making millions!
Lowrider #1 is likely the closest you'll ever get to having a Ruderalis to use as breeding stock for creating your own automatic strain, but I can't find one pack, their all gone because too many pollen chuckers were catching on. Some seed banks are likely sharing their proven autoflowering Ruderalis genetics, but the layman can not buy them for any price. If you must have the best Ruderalis, Siberia is your best best. Be sure to gather from as many plants as possible, because there will be that special one out of a 1000 that will cross and back cross for a perfect strain.
Well it's about time someone does that, because most ruderalis grows bigger than one meter tall. Dwarfism isn't a good way to spread your seeds in the wild.
I grew my tallest plant ever last summer. It was a Bulgarian ruderalis that autoflowered the 10th of july and grew up to be 2.5-3 meters tall. Even a classic Hungarian ruderalis can get 1.5 meters tall in good circumstances.
The Bulgarian seeds came from plants similar to these:
I_Love_Seed
Member
Where's the Russian/Ukrainian Rudy seeds? I have ideas for strains and would love to start from scratch instead of Lowryder #2.
